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i miss sheard for sure. We could use Mack and Schwartz obviously.
I don't think we miss Kruger or Gipson as of yet (based on how they've played)
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You don't think we miss Gipson? Seriously? Boy I do. That guy hit hard.
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again gipson didn't want to stay and we had no way to make him stay unless we severely overpaid him. With his injury history that would have been a risk not worth taking imho.
I mean these players are not complete slaves. If they want to leave eventually there is nothing we can do to stop them. I just hope with Hue here that players will WANT to stay.
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Haslam keeps blowing things up and the roster keeps getting re-made. It's why we are perpetual losers. yup. You and I have had many talks about this over the years. It's sooo hard to be a fan of this team. I bet this team would be a contender if we just stick with this regime for 5 years. In it's history, every Browns head coach who got 5 years got the team into the playoffs.
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Haslam keeps blowing things up and the roster keeps getting re-made. It's why we are perpetual losers. yup. You and I have had many talks about this over the years. It's sooo hard to be a fan of this team. I bet this team would be a contender if we just stick with this regime for 5 years. In it's history, every Browns head coach who got 5 years got the team into the playoffs. How successful were they in the first few years though? Guys who are going to be good usually start out pretty quick. The reason they got five years is probably because they had early success.
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Finish Playoffs PF PA PD Coaches AV Passer Rusher Receiver Pts Yds Pts Yds T/G Pts± Yds± out of MoV SoS SRS OSRS DSRS 1983 NFL Cleveland Browns 9 7 0 2nd of 4 356 342 14 Rutigliano Banks Sipe Pruitt Newsome 13 10 14 9 19 11 7 28 0.9 -3.1 -2.2 -0.9 -1.3 1982 NFL Cleveland Browns* 4 5 0 3rd of 4 Lost WC 140 182 -42 Rutigliano Banks Sipe Pruitt Newsome 23 17 17 23 7 24 26 28 -4.7 1.2 -3.5 -5.0 1.5 1981 NFL Cleveland Browns 5 11 0 4th of 4 276 375 -99 Rutigliano Sipe Sipe Pruitt Newsome 24 4 23 16 28 26 7 28 -6.2 -0.3 -6.5 -4.1 -2.4 1980 NFL Cleveland Browns* 11 5 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 357 310 47 Rutigliano Sipe Sipe Pruitt Logan 8 5 12 23 10 10 14 28 2.9 -1.1 1.8 1.7 0.1 1979 NFL Cleveland Browns 9 7 0 3rd of 4 359 352 7 Rutigliano Pruitt Sipe Pruitt Logan 9 3 20 24 26 15 12 28 0.4 2.6 3.0 2.9 0.1 1978 NFL Cleveland Browns 8 8 0 3rd of 4 334 356 -22 Rutigliano http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/I don't see alot of fast starts. but I do see a couple of coaches that did or they took over a decent team to begin with.
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Look it up. I did several years ago and posted it on here. I'm not about to do all that again, but the info is available if you're really interested, most of it on ClevelandBrowns.com
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mac, you think one year is enough to properly evaluate a guy?
I don't wanna get into this Banner thing, but it kills me that guys who hated him love Sashi and what the new FO is doing.
But there are things that begin show once an individual is given power. These are usually things that are not seen by the public and sometimes the public is blindsided by a sudden change.
IMO, some of the flaws that showed up for Banner in Philly, occurred again here in Cleveland, leading to his dismissal.
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Haslam keeps blowing things up and the roster keeps getting re-made. It's why we are perpetual losers. yup. You and I have had many talks about this over the years. It's sooo hard to be a fan of this team. I bet this team would be a contender if we just stick with this regime for 5 years. If we stayed with Farmer, who knows what mess ups, hotheads, drug addicts, female beaters and etc he would've drafted. He would've buried us deeper. We would absolutely not be a contender, everyone he's drafted pretty much is a fail. Everyone he's signed, almost the same.
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Look it up. I did several years ago and posted it on here. I'm not about to do all that again, but the info is available if you're really interested, most of it on ClevelandBrowns.com A fast start doesn't have to be wins...either you see it or you don't. We are seeing it now...just needs to keep getting better.
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Once again. There is no way in hell to retain players that don't want to stay here. There is nothing anyone can do if a player truly wants to go to another team. Only winning will retain these players. We aren't doing that, we never have since the return.
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Once again. There is no way in hell to retain players that don't want to stay here. There is nothing anyone can do if a player truly wants to go to another team. Only winning will retain these players. We aren't doing that, we never have since the return. While eminently true, as was the case with Mack, Benji (more about the money) and possibly Gipson, I think the argument is about letting good players walk who would have stayed had offers been made, like with Sheard and Schwartz. In Schwartz' case the offer was pulled because he dared look elsewhere. A completely ego driven mistake, IMO. In Gipson's case, I think an offer should have been made a year earlier. Again, JMHO. And I do realize there were injury concerns, and a fall off in production the following year, however, had the offer been made in advance of his contract year, there would have been less rancor, and we may actually have a safety threat in the backfield this year. The Gipson case is a possibly a good example of FO's outsmarting themselves due to lack of FO continuity. Now we don't know if he'd be healthy and performing at a high level for us this year, but it's an intriguing question.
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I am so tired of that argument. Have any of you had a personal conversation w/these players?
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Once again. There is no way in hell to retain players that don't want to stay here. There is nothing anyone can do if a player truly wants to go to another team. Only winning will retain these players. We aren't doing that, we never have since the return. While eminently true, as was the case with Mack, Benji (more about the money) and possibly Gipson, I think the argument is about letting good players walk who would have stayed had offers been made, like with Sheard and Schwartz. In Schwartz' case the offer was pulled because he dared look elsewhere. A completely ego driven mistake, IMO. In Gipson's case, I think an offer should have been made a year earlier. Again, JMHO. And I do realize there were injury concerns, and a fall off in production the following year, however, had the offer been made in advance of his contract year, there would have been less rancor, and we may actually have a safety threat in the backfield this year. The Gipson case is a possibly a good example of FO's outsmarting themselves due to lack of FO continuity. Now we don't know if he'd be healthy and performing at a high level for us this year, but it's an intriguing question. The funny thing about this as that some posters on this board think they know more about what the players were thinking than Joe Thomas knows about it. Seems to me that Joe Thomas would know more about his team mates than people can conjure up on a message board. It seems to me Joe Thomas knows we could have kept many FA's no matter how some stomp their heels and claim it couldn't be done.
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Once again. There is no way in hell to retain players that don't want to stay here. There is nothing anyone can do if a player truly wants to go to another team. Only winning will retain these players. We aren't doing that, we never have since the return. While eminently true, as was the case with Mack, Benji (more about the money) and possibly Gipson, I think the argument is about letting good players walk who would have stayed had offers been made, like with Sheard and Schwartz. In Schwartz' case the offer was pulled because he dared look elsewhere. A completely ego driven mistake, IMO. In Gipson's case, I think an offer should have been made a year earlier. Again, JMHO. And I do realize there were injury concerns, and a fall off in production the following year, however, had the offer been made in advance of his contract year, there would have been less rancor, and we may actually have a safety threat in the backfield this year. The Gipson case is a possibly a good example of FO's outsmarting themselves due to lack of FO continuity. Now we don't know if he'd be healthy and performing at a high level for us this year, but it's an intriguing question. The funny thing about this as that some posters on this board think they know more about what the players were thinking than Joe Thomas knows about it. Seems to me that Joe Thomas would know more about his team mates than people can conjure up on a message board. It seems to me Joe Thomas knows we could have kept many FA's no matter how some stomp their heels and claim it couldn't be done. That's a bit of a generalization, don't you think? You'd have to take it case by case. Simply because a name is mentioned in an article next to Joe Thomas' name doesn't mean he knows the intimacy of the thinking behind the move of a given player. In general, could more players have been kept? Absolutely. A lot more? Who knows. All of them? No. Would we have wanted to keep them all? Probably not. Let's look at a couple key paragraphs in the article: "And when you keep doing that over and over again, you really lose all your middle class on your team and so guys like Buster Skrine, Jabaal Sheard, D'Qwell Jackson, Jordan Cameron, Travis Benjamin, those are the guys that they disappeared even though those were the guys that you drafted them, spent the time developing them and right when they're hitting stride in the peaks of their career, they end up going somewhere else and having great success for somebody else."
The list includes one of Thomas' other best friends in center Alex Mack, who's having an excellent season in Atlanta, and safety Tashaun Gipson, who's starting for the Jaguars. Somehow, Thomas has managed to keep his chin up through the mass exodus. Could we have kept Buster Skrine? Probably. Should we have? Maybe. Could we have kept Jabaal Sheard? Probably. Should we have? Probably, I'll say yes. Could we have kept D'Qwell Jackson? Certainly, I'd say. Should we have? Maybe. Maybe not. Could we have kept Jordan Cameron? Maybe, if we had overpaid him, though probably not. Should we have? No. Could we have kept Travis Benjamin? Probably, if we had overpaid him. Should we have? No. Also mentioned are Alex Mack and Tashaun Gipson, though not by Joe, yet it's assumed Joe felt we should have kept them. Why is that assumed? Because his name appears in the article? Could we have kept Alex Mack? Probably not. Should we have? Not if he didn't want to be here. Could we have kept Tashaun Gipson? Probably. Should we have? Maybe. Not mentioned is Mitchell Schwartz. Could we have kept him? Definitely. Should we have? Yes. So if the point is, were mistakes made? Yes. If the question is, were mistakes made with all those players? The answer would be a resounding, no. Joe was making a point about new regimes and turnovers. That doesn't mean that he firmly believes we should have retained all those players. Perspective needs to be attached case by case. The article failed to do that.
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Sure. He knows the players, are friends with many of them, but knows little about it. And people on a message board know the truth.
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So in other words, you didn't read the post. 
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Sounds like Joe is more open to a trade then ever before...
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There are bad regimes (front office + coach) and there are ones who can get better. A regime that comes in, drafts great and makes all the right moves on the field from the beginning will never be available to us and probably doesn't exist.
I think we can say Ray Farmer was a terrible half of a regime. His early-round draft picking set us back a decade. But Pettine? Given time, patience and players, he might have been successful. Chud might have been, too. And I think the same thing about Hue, only moreso.
Hue makes some bad calls (Malcolm Johnson carry, arghh) , but I can live with that as he grows into the role. Leave him be for several years. The front office should plat it safe and not make reaches in the early rounds. We suck right now, but we are headed in the right direction. Lock Jimmy in the attic until at least 2020.
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Once again. There is no way in hell to retain players that don't want to stay here. There is nothing anyone can do if a player truly wants to go to another team. Only winning will retain these players. We aren't doing that, we never have since the return.
Had the Browns left the offer on the table that they first offered Schwartz, he would be a Brown.
Had the boys offered Mack a contract superior to the competition, he "might" have stayed too.
Money is "used" to change minds in the NFL, every year.
Sashi did get one thing right when he said this...
"I think it says something to the locker room when you reward guys that do it the right way," Brown said, "and make sure that they understand that being here in Cleveland we want to build through the draft certainly but we also need to retain our guys when we get to free agency."
But, when the Browns refused to sign any of their own, it sent another message to the locker room...C H E A P !
What the Browns owner has not figured out, he has run this franchise down so far that he will have to "show" his players how much he wants them to remain in Cleveland.
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Had the Browns left the offer on the table that they first offered Schwartz, he would be a Brown. It's not uncommon for contract offers to have an expiration date...actually, it is quite common. Had the boys offered Mack a contract superior to the competition, he "might" have stayed too. My recollection is that the Browns did so...and Mack chose not to anyway. Money is "used" to change minds in the NFL, every year.
Sashi did get one thing right when he said this...
"I think it says something to the locker room when you reward guys that do it the right way," Brown said, "and make sure that they understand that being here in Cleveland we want to build through the draft certainly but we also need to retain our guys when we get to free agency." Yes...refreshing actually. But, when the Browns refused to sign any of their own, it sent another message to the locker room...C H E A P ! They also refuse to sign guys because they don't WANT them or don't think they fit or the guy wants too much money for their blood. None of that is necessarily being - C H E A P. What the Browns owner has not figured out, he has run this franchise down so far that he will have to "show" his players how much he wants them to remain in Cleveland. It's called a rebuild...the likes of which we have never seen before. Out with the old (except the ones you REALLY want) and in with the new.
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willie...the solution is simple..if a team "wants" a player, they will speak the universal language until their is an agreement.
How badly a team wants a player can be measured by the way contract talks are handled. A front office that says they want re-sign their own free agents, then pulls an offer they had previously made to that player...got to question the integrity of those in charge of the franchise.
A franchise that truly wants a player to remain with his/her team will find a way to get that player signed.
Then there are those who talk about rewarding those players "who do it the right way" and never follow through.
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Had the boys offered Mack a contract superior to the competition, he "might" have stayed too.
I agree about Schwartz, but not about this. Mack was gone regardless. We offered him his value, but he wanted to leave. Plus, he knew Shanny's system was the perfect fit for him. And he's right. He's had a great year thus far.
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I have posted actual quotes from Mack and Sashi that disputes that he was going to leave no matter what.
A bunch of posters repeating the same thing over and over and over doesn't change factual evidence.
Now, I don't know if those comments were sincere.........just as this board does not know that he was gone "no matter what."
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If the Browns wanted Mack, they would have offered him a contract he could not pass up..that is what it was going to take!
Mack knew about 5 different offensive systems in his time in Cleveland...knowing Shanny or liking his system is a minor consideration.
The Browns set a limit and played hardball with Mack, thinking they had the leverage because they had their first round pick ready to take over Mack's position.
In the long run, the Browns front office misjudged the talent they thought they had to replace Mack and now the Browns are once again looking for a center.
Could have had the best center in the NFL...but the boys judged poorly, losing Mack and Schwartz..btw, the Browns are still looking for a RT. Hopefully the kid the boys drafted..the one who had knee surgery in January..the kid who recovered from cancer..got my fingers crossed that he works out.
If the Browns wanted to keep their offensive line together, they were going to have to pay to do so. In the end, after all the nice words from Sashi, about resigning your own free agents..that was just franchise BS to feed to the media...the Harvard boys re-signed none of the Browns free agents.
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Mack is just a smart dude saying the right things so as not to burn any bridges. He was NEVER going to stay because he flat out hated playing for Haslam and the merry go round.
What's done is done so let's move on guys. We have a new coach that they have no choice but to keep for a while.
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So in other words, you didn't read the post. I read your post and you made some very valid points. My response should have included j/c because it was mainly meant for other posters who are not as open minded about this issue. My bad for the confusion.
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A franchise that truly wants a player to remain with his/her team will find a way to get that player signed. Right...which is EXACTLY what they did.
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A franchise that truly wants a player to remain with his/her team will find a way to get that player signed. Right...which is EXACTLY what they did.
...despite all talk about building a team via the draft and re-signing your own free agents..that was simply front office PR to make Browns fans believe they tried.
When the front office goes 0-4 (or more) at getting their own free agents re-signed...I would say that front office's performance was as bad as it can get.
Now Browns fans will have to wait a bit to see if Haslam and his boys continue to be "cheap" in 2017.
...we shall see.
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A franchise that truly wants a player to remain with his/her team will find a way to get that player signed. Right...which is EXACTLY what they did.
.this front office not only failed to get their best free agents re-signed..they failed to get any of our free agents signed in 2016.... They did not fail had they truly wanted them they would have grossly overpaid...they only failed in your mind.
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They don't have Wentz and they are 0 and 4 and you think they didn't fail? LOL
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They don't have Wentz and they are 0 and 4 and you think they didn't fail? LOL You didn't want them to draft Wentz either so did you fail? They don't have Teddy or Jimmy Clausen either.
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Yes, I was wrong. I have already admitted that. Too bad you can't ever admit a FO mistake.
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Yes, I was wrong. I have already admitted that. Par for course. Too bad you can't ever admit a FO mistake. Not sure they have made a mistake yet way way to soon. Wentz reminds me of DA remember how that turned out?
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They did not fail had they truly wanted them they would have grossly overpaid...they only failed in your mind.
...“It is important for us to keep our own. I think it says something to the locker room when you reward guys who do it the right way.”...
...then fail to land even one free agent...that is a "total failure"...no way else to spin it.
I have serious concerns that Haslam will spend what is necessary to get Pryor signed.
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Wentz reminds me of DA remember how that turned out? Quoted for chuckles.
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I have serious concerns that Haslam will spend what is necessary to get Pryor signed. Why are you disregarding all the money he has already spent on FAs? Kruger, Bryant, Whitner, Dansby, Bowe, extending Haden & Barnidge as examples. Not to mention the $25M he has spent on renovating Berea. A better argument would be the decisions signing some of the players than not spending money. I want Pryor to say, but it's not as simple as saying signing/not signing Pryor. There are tons of other factors that play into it. I
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They did not fail had they truly wanted them they would have grossly overpaid...they only failed in your mind.
...“It is important for us to keep our own. I think it says something to the locker room when you reward guys who do it the right way.”...
...then fail to land even one free agent...that is a "total failure"...no way else to spin it.
I have serious concerns that Haslam will spend what is necessary to get Pryor signed.
Maybe they didn't fit into their plan because of age, attitude, financial or other reasons. We were not privy to the reasons why the FO didn't throw stupid money to keep those FA. It's only a failure in your minds eye if they achieved their goal it's a win. If Haslam spends what is necessary to get Pryor signed will that shut you up on this witch hunt or will you continue to nit pick every little move?
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