Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 3 of 3 1 2 3
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Originally Posted By: candyman92
Cavs banner ceremony will be at 7.

thumbsup

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 23,847
L
Legend
Offline
Legend
L
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 23,847
Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
good move by the cavs


They almost had to..worst scenario for them was this..everyone will be watching the ring ceremony and as soon as its over millions of tvs might cause the station to crash tuning back into the indians. I'll probably have tribe on and PiP the cavs game


Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Cavs need to cut their roster to 15 by 5pm today. It will be interesting to see if a trade is made to make roster space. As mentioned before, Mo Williams refused to file his retirement papers, so he is essentially eating a roster spot. The Cavs might buy him out, but that would be a pretty big cap hit for a guy not even on the roster. (3.75M times 3 for the tax penalty)

It sounds like the Cavs really want to keep DeAndre Liggins on the roster, but don't have the space for him. I read an article where they may consider cutting Dahntay Jones to make room for him, but that would almost be the same cap hit as buying out Mo. (maybe $3M in savings) Considering that he can actually play, he's a good locker-room guy, and Lebron likes him ... the Cavs have an interesting decision to make.

A few trade scenarios have been rumored. Many involving Jordan McRae, who's a pretty good volume scorer, but that's pretty much all he can give you. Shump was even rumored as well, but I doubt that goes through at this time of the season.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 73,448
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 73,448
I'd keep McRae if possible. he can score right now at this level


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,055
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,055
Originally Posted By: ExclDawg
Cavs need to cut their roster to 15 by 5pm today. It will be interesting to see if a trade is made to make roster space. As mentioned before, Mo Williams refused to file his retirement papers, so he is essentially eating a roster spot. The Cavs might buy him out, but that would be a pretty big cap hit for a guy not even on the roster. (3.75M times 3 for the tax penalty)

It sounds like the Cavs really want to keep DeAndre Liggins on the roster, but don't have the space for him. I read an article where they may consider cutting Dahntay Jones to make room for him, but that would almost be the same cap hit as buying out Mo. (maybe $3M in savings) Considering that he can actually play, he's a good locker-room guy, and Lebron likes him ... the Cavs have an interesting decision to make.

A few trade scenarios have been rumored. Many involving Jordan McRae, who's a pretty good volume scorer, but that's pretty much all he can give you. Shump was even rumored as well, but I doubt that goes through at this time of the season.


Why exactly has Mo not filed retirement papers?


At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
I'd keep McRae if possible. he can score right now at this level


The problem with McRae is that he's limited and that scoring is really the only thing he does well. He had a couple of real clunker games in pre-season, and if he can't get past defenders, he doesn't really offer anything else for the team. He's much more effective against other team's second units, but that's sort of a luxury to have at this point.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Why exactly has Mo not filed retirement papers?


Because he would forgo 2.2M in salary in doing so.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,055
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,055
Originally Posted By: ExclDawg
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Why exactly has Mo not filed retirement papers?


Because he would forgo 2.2M in salary in doing so.


So has he been at camp or anything or is he just trying to squeeze whatever remaining money he can get before he leaves. I know he has been flip-flopping on this topic....just seems odd.


At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
He hasn't been at camp or anything. He had knee surgery and has basically not talked to the Cavs or anything. He retired a few times, until he evidently realized he'd be passing up all that salary to do so.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
V
Legend
Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Quote:

Cavs Rumors: Latest Trade Buzz Surrounding Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams and More
By Rob Goldberg , Featured Columnist Oct 24, 2016


The Cleveland Cavaliers are preparing for the start of the 2016-17 regular season, but they first need to make sure the roster is set.

While the organization would likely want to keep every player from last year's championship squad, the combination of money and a lack of roster spots could force the front office to make some trades. From the perspective of other teams, some deals are more interesting than others.

Perhaps the most intriguing player potentially on the move is Iman Shumpert, someone who appeared set to be the starting shooting guard until recently. Zach Lowe of ESPN.com provided the latest rumors surrounding the 26-year-old player:

Keep an eye on Iman Shumpert. Several teams, including Minnesota, have inquired about his availability in the past few weeks and gotten the impression Cleveland is ready to talk, according to several league sources. The Cavs won't salary-dump Shump for nothing, but given their tax situation, cutting payroll by a few million promises exponential savings.

This is an interesting situation for Cleveland, which recently re-signed J.R. Smith to a four-year, $57 million deal. Smith will resume his role as the starting shooting guard (and resident comic relief), making Shumpert an expensive backup on the books for three more years.

According to Jason Lloyd of the Akron Beacon Journal (via the Atlanta Journal-Constitution), the Cavaliers are set to have the most expensive starting lineup in NBA history, earning close to $100 million this season combined. This obviously makes it difficult to keep a sixth man earning almost $10 million himself.

Shumpert is an expendable player who can help cut costs if Cleveland can find a reasonable deal.

With that said, this team is obviously trying to compete for another championship and will have an even tougher road this time around with the Golden State Warriors getting stronger. Shumpert isn't a big-time scorer, but he is a good defender and could be valuable off the bench throughout the season.

If the organization can handle the extra cost, there is no reason to give him up without a reasonable return.

Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
While there could be a decent bidding war for Shumpert, this likely won't be the case for Mo Williams, who is apparently also on the trade block.

Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com reported the Cavaliers are looking to trade Williams, who is owed $2.2 million and didn't show up to training camp.

While Williams did play in 41 games for Cleveland last season, he is coming off one of his least effective seasons. His 8.2 points per game were his lowest since his rookie year in 2003-04, and he barely saw the floor in the playoffs when rotations got tighter. He averaged just 1.5 points in 5.2 minutes per game during the postseason run to the championship.

The 33-year-old player was expected to retire before announcing his return in September on Twitter:


It made sense for Williams to utilize his player option, but now he leaves the Cavaliers with a lack of options besides simply eating that lost money. One way the team could get rid of him is by pairing him with talented prospect Jordan McRae in a package deal, as Windhorst suggested the team has done.

On the other hand, Sam Amico of Amico Hoops reports McRae could be dealt on his own:


Sam Amico ✔ @AmicoHoops
Opposing GM tells me he's spoken to #Cavs about Jordan McRae but "they never brought up Mo (Williams). I'm glad." Says teams have no deal
11:18 AM - 22 Oct 2016
23 23 Retweets 18 18 likes
McRae was a second-round pick for the San Antonio Spurs in 2014, finally getting on the court last season while splitting time between the Philadelphia 76ers and the Cavaliers. He played in 15 games with Cleveland, averaging 4.1 points per game, including 7-of-11 from three-point range.

The 25-year-old player's skills were on display in the preseason, where he averaged 14 points, 3.8 rebounds and 3.3 assists in six games. He also shot 36.4 percent from beyond the arc, showing that even if he can't replicate his shooting in a small sample size from last year, he can still be a consistent producer.

If the Cavaliers don't find a suitable trade partner, McRae could stick around and become a replacement for Shumpert if he is dealt.

The front office clearly has a lot of options, most of which are minor moves compared to the bigger names on the roster. Considering how many other teams in the NBA are scrambling to fill bigger roles in the rotation, the Cavaliers are in great shape to remain patient and wait for a possible deal to come to fruition.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26714...more?yptr=yahoo


Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
Originally Posted By: ExclDawg
Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
I'd keep McRae if possible. he can score right now at this level


The problem with McRae is that he's limited and that scoring is really the only thing he does well. He had a couple of real clunker games in pre-season, and if he can't get past defenders, he doesn't really offer anything else for the team. He's much more effective against other team's second units, but that's sort of a luxury to have at this point.


Why would you want an old, journeyman scrub like Jones over McRae?

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,438
E
Legend
Offline
Legend
E
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,438
They better not trade Shump.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Originally Posted By: candyman92
Why would you want an old, journeyman scrub like Jones over McRae?


I wouldn't. I don't know what Lebron prefers. He seems to like his grizzled vets that don't really contribute much other than locker-room presence over guys that might have a future.

Gilbert might prefer him too. Cutting him would cost ~4.5M in tax penalties, on top of what they would have to pay for Liggins.

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
Tomorrow is a special day Cleveland fans. Enjoy the ceremony!

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
No trade, but it looks like the Cavs made the smart move:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243758/Cavs-Waive-Dahntay-Jones-To-Keep-DeAndre-Liggins

The Cleveland Cavaliers will waive Dahntay Jones as DeAndre Liggins will make their regular season roster.

Jones was signed at the end of the 15-16 season and gave the Cavs a veteran bench presence.

Cleveland has yet to make a decision on Mo Williams.

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 23,847
L
Legend
Offline
Legend
L
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 23,847
Looks like the Cavs are giving Mo every opportunity to do the right thing and file papers, pretty crappy Mo not filing so he could get the team to pay for his knee surgery..take the buyout Mo, stop being dead weight


Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 73,448
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 73,448
take the buyout man


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,248
It's pretty crappy of him, but he has about 2.2 million reasons why he wouldn't want to file retirement papers.

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
Originally Posted By: ExclDawg
It's pretty crappy of him, but he has about 2.2 million reasons why he wouldn't want to file retirement papers.


Cavs could pull a dick move and not let him at the banner ceremony because of this.

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Originally Posted By: candyman92
Originally Posted By: ExclDawg
It's pretty crappy of him, but he has about 2.2 million reasons why he wouldn't want to file retirement papers.


Cavs could pull a dick move and not let him at the banner ceremony because of this.


I'd rather have the $2.2M.


[Linked Image]


“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 19,144
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 19,144
Yeah, I can't see hatin' on Mo for not walking away from all that money.


And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
- John Muir

#GMSTRONG
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
WOW, tomorrow is gonna be nuts.


Page 3 of 3 1 2 3
DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Cavs/NBA Preseason

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5