Russian officials have been 'told to bring relatives home to the Motherland'
Failure to act will put promotion chances at risk,
according to local reports
Comes amid worsening relations between Russia and US over Syria crisis
US has pulled plug on Syria talks and accused Russia of hacking attacks
Russia has moved nuclear-capable missiles nearer to the Polish border
Russia is ordering all of its officials to fly home any relatives living abroad amid heightened tensions over the prospect of global war, it has been claimed.
Politicians and high-ranking figures are said to have received a warning from president Vladimir Putin to bring their loved-ones home to the 'Motherland', according to local media.
It comes after Putin cancelled a planned visit to France amid a furious row over Moscow's role in the Syrian conflict and just days after it emerged the Kremlin had moved nuclear-capable missiles nearer to the Polish border.
Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev has also warned that the world is at a 'dangerous point' due to rising tensions between Russia and the US.
According to the Russian site Znak.com, administration staff, regional administrators, lawmakers of all levels and employees of public corporations have been ordered to take their children out of foreign schools immediately.
Failure to act will see officials jeopardising their chances of promotion, local media has reported.
The exact reason for the order is not yet clear.
But Russian political analyst Stanislav Belkovsky is quoted by the Daily Star as saying: 'This is all part of the package of measures to prepare elites to some 'big war'.'
Relations between Russia and the US are at their lowest since the Cold War and have soured in recent days after Washington pulled the plug on Syria talks and accused Russia of hacking attacks.
The Kremlin has also suspended a series of nuclear pacts, including a symbolic cooperation deal to cut stocks of weapons-grade plutonium.
Just days ago, it was reported that Russia had moved nuclear-capable missiles near to the Polish border as tensions escalated between the world’s largest nation and the West.
The Iskander missiles sent to Kaliningrad, a Russian enclave on the Baltic Sea between Nato members Poland and Lithuania, are now within range of major Western cities including Berlin.
Polish officials – whose capital Warsaw is potentially threatened – have described the move as of the 'highest concern'.
Russia's military conducted a series of intercontinental ballistic missile tests on Wednesday, the latest flexing of its muscles as tensions with the US spike over Syria.
Russian forces fired a nuclear-capable rocket from a Pacific Fleet submarine in the Sea of Okhotsk north of Japan, state-run RIA Novosti reported.
A Topol missile was shot off from a submarine in the Barents Sea, and a third was launched from an inland site in the north-west of the vast country, Russian agencies reported.
The latest display of might by Moscow - which has been conducting regular military drills since ties with the West slumped in 2014 over Ukraine - comes as tensions have shot up in recent days.
Russia has pulled the plug on a series of deals with the US - including a symbolic disarmament pact between the two nuclear powers to dispose of weapons-grade plutonium - as Washington has halted talks on Syria.
The Kremlin has also moved an air defence missile system and missile cruisers to the war-ravaged country to bolster its forces there.
That comes as the West has accused Moscow of committing potential war crimes in its bombing of rebel-held part of the city of Aleppo in support of an assault by regime forces.
Washington has previously lashed out at Moscow for resorting to alleged "nuclear sabre-rattling" as East-West relations fell to the worst level since the Cold War following Russia's seizure of Crimea from Ukraine in March 2014.
Putin's decision to cancel his Paris visit came a day after French President Francois Hollande said Syrian forces had committed a 'war crime' in the battered city of Aleppo with the support of Russian air strikes.
Putin had been due in Paris on October 19 to inaugurate a spiritual centre at a new Russian Orthodox church near the Eiffel Tower, but Hollande had insisted his Russian counterpart also took part in talks with him about Syria.
The unprecedented cancellation of a visit so close to being finalised is a 'serious step... reminiscent of the Cold War', said Russian foreign policy analyst Fyodor Lukyanov.
'This is part of the broader escalation in the tensions between Russia and the West, and Russia and NATO,' he told AFP.
The Kremlin has also been angered over the banning of the Russian Paralympic team from the Rio Olympics amid claims of state-sponsored doping of its athletes.
Meanwhile, the top advisor to US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has said the FBI is investigating Russia's possible role in hacking thousands of his personal emails.
But Russian officials have vigorously rejected accusations of meddling in the US presidential elections and dismissed allegations that Moscow was behind a series of recent hacks on US institutions.
Retired Russian Lt. Gen. Evgeny Buzhinsky told the BBC: 'Of course there is a reaction. As far as Russia sees it, as Putin sees it, it is full-scale confrontation on all fronts. If you want a confrontation, you'll get one.
'But it won't be a confrontation that doesn't harm the interests of the United States. You want a confrontation, you'll get one everywhere.'
Earlier this week British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson waded into the row, calling for anti-war campaigners to protest outside the Russian embassy in London.
Johnson said the 'wells of outrage are growing exhausted' and anti-war groups were not expressing sufficient outrage at the conflict in Aleppo.
'Where is the Stop the War Coalition at the moment? Where are they?' he said during a parliamentary debate.
Just an FYI but it appears something BIG is going to go down soon. Maybe not today, maybe not next week, maybe not next year...but you can see they are taking steps to prepare themselves for a major showdown....
This doesn't bode well for the world...regardless who wins or losses, your looking at huge loss of life in the Hundreds of Thousands even if we do win, and they could very well win to...this is such a toss up....We are not so far head shoulders above them like we seem to think...the USA hasn't fought anyone who could fight back since 1945, the Russians actually can fight back in land, air, and sea...this would be probably the bloodiest conflict of the modern era...and for what?
This is deeply concerning....we have completely ruined out dialogue with them all because of the buffoons we have in office
What's clear is that none of the military superpowers have learned their lessons from dealings in the Middle East.
It would be bloody, but there's a reason why Russia is always bringing up their nuclear capabilities: it's the only way they can win.
You're right, they do have land, air, and sea capabilities.
Here's the problem: they aren't superior in any of it.
Right now, this is posturing. And over what?
Russia wasn't in a position to defend Assad when Obama wanted to go in and take Assad out in 2013.
He asked for congressional approval.
Well...congrats republicans. we have even bigger problems.
Now look what's going on. It would've been a lot easier to deal with ISIS in Syria. Now we have to deal with Isis, Assad, Russia, and possibly Iran.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'm supposed to be afraid because Russia appears to be upset about something?
I refuse to live my life in fear!
Russia wants to end the world as we know it, nothing I can do about it!
As for the lack of dialog...hacking the emails of an American political party and attempting to influence an American election doesn't help promote a dialog, does it?
Looks like Russia may have been caught red handed attempting to influence the United States Presidential Election and now they believe this last ditch effort will work to get their candidate of choice elected.
I REFUSE TO LIVE MY LIFE IN FEAR...everyone else is free to do as they wish.
Wouldn't it be nice if we just got along with Russia? Wouldn't it be nice if we had a candidate who got along well enough with Putin?
Now look, I'm not making any statements about how good or not good of a leader he is, or how they run their country over there. I'm just saying for the sake of safety and well-being of our country (and indeed, the world), it seems to me that a friendly working relationship between the United States and Russia is in everyone's best interest.
Maybe there's some behind the scenes stuff going on that makes this not possible. If anybody is privy to that info, please share it. As an ordinary guy, I don't see why it can't happen. Frankly I'm tired of all the saber-rattling, the war hawking, and thinly-veiled accusations thrown around with only the flimsiest of evidence.
I'm supposed to be afraid because Russia appears to be upset about something?
I refuse to live my life in fear!
Russia wants to end the world as we know it, nothing I can do about it!
As for the lack of dialog...hacking the emails of an American political party and attempting to influence an American election doesn't help promote a dialog, does it?
Looks like Russia may have been caught red handed attempting to influence the United States Presidential Election and now they believe this last ditch effort will work to get their candidate of choice elected.
I REFUSE TO LIVE MY LIFE IN FEAR...everyone else is free to do as they wish.
Well Mac,, I think on this we totally agree.
Especially the part about hacking a political parties emails and attempting to influence our election process.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I'm supposed to be afraid because Russia appears to be upset about something?
I refuse to live my life in fear!
Russia wants to end the world as we know it, nothing I can do about it!
As for the lack of dialog...hacking the emails of an American political party and attempting to influence an American election doesn't help promote a dialog, does it?
Looks like Russia may have been caught red handed attempting to influence the United States Presidential Election and now they believe this last ditch effort will work to get their candidate of choice elected.
I REFUSE TO LIVE MY LIFE IN FEAR...everyone else is free to do as they wish.
Well Mac,, I think on this we totally agree.
Especially the part about hacking a political parties emails and attempting to influence our election process.
Haus...I even did my best to find a source you agree with.
Crossing the Kremlin: Nemtsov latest in long line of Putin critics to wind up dead
By Malia Zimmerman Published March 04, 2015 FoxNews.com link
Enemies of Vladimir Putin have a way of winding up dead.
Whether they are poisoned, gunned down on the streets of Moscow or blown to bits in their homes, people who have crossed or merely criticized the Russian president have turned up dead around the world. Putin political adversary Boris Nemtsov, who was shot and killed near the Kremlin last week, is only the latest in a long line that includes hundreds of journalists, human rights activists and businessmen.
“I believe Vladimir Putin is a stone-cold killer,” said Bill Browder, author of “Red Notice, A True Story of High Finance, Murder, and One Man's Fight for Justice.” “Anyone who gets in the way seems to be arrested, exiled or killed.”
“I believe Vladimir Putin is a stone cold killer.”
- Bill Browder, author of book on Kremlin
Browder, a Russia-based investor in the 1990s, recounts in his book details of the consequences he and his lawyer, Sergei Magnitsky, suffered at the hands of the Putin regime. Magnitsky was murdered in prison in 2009, after being arrested for exposing a $230 million tax fraud scheme involving law enforcement and government officials.
Nemtsov, like many others whose murders have been blamed on Putin, had other enemies who may have been capable of killing. The Russian president, a former KGB agent, has vowed to bring Nemtsov’s killer to justice and implied that the hit may have been aimed at destabilizing his cash-strapped regime by framing it.
But critics within Russia and the international community say too many of Putin’s enemies have been killed for the 62-year-old, who has run the country through the posts of either prime minister or president since 1999, to claim his hands are clean.
Among the more notable cases:
Sergei Yushenkov was gunned down in front of his home in April 2003. Yushenkov was part of a commission that investigated claims the KGB orchestrated bombings to ignite support for Putin’s war against Chechnya. A second member of the commission was fatally poisoned, a third nearly lost his life after being severely beaten, and the attorney for the commission was imprisoned for espionage. Forbes editor Paul Klebnikov was shot to death in Moscow in July 2004, after he reportedly uncovered a money-laundering scheme that reached the highest levels of the Kremlin. Two suspects were charged, but later acquitted. He was one of more than 300 journalists in Russia who have disappeared or been murdered since 1993, according to a June 2009 report from the International Federation of Journalists. In June 2004, human rights advocate and professor Nikolai Girenko was assassinated in his home. Andrei Kozlov, a top official at Russia’s Central Bank who dedicated his career to eliminating money laundering, was killed in September 2006. Anna Politkovskaya, who wrote books and articles accusing Putin of human rights violations in Chechnya, was executed in an elevator in her Moscow apartment building on Oct. 7, 2006. Human rights attorney Stanislav Markelov was shot in the head in January 2009, as he left a press conference where he announced plans to sue the Russian government. Journalism student Anastasia Barburova was killed as she tried to intervene. Human rights journalist Natalia Estemirova, was killed in July 2009, after being kidnapped from her home in Chechnya. Two well-known cases of the poisoning of Putin adversaries involved former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko and former KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko.
The world saw the effects of dioxin poisoning on the face of Yuschenko in 2004, when he was running for the office he held until 2010. The poisoning followed an assassination attempt, and although no one was ever charged, suspicion focused on the Kremlin which, in a twist that foreshadowed by a decade the current tension between Moscow and Kiev, may have feared Yuschenko would take Ukraine toward better relations with western Europe.
Litvinenko, who authored the Kremlin expose “Blowing up Russia,” and was living under asylum in Great Britain, was given a fatal dose of Polonium in November 2006. The main suspect is reportedly former KGB agent and Putin crony Andrey Lugovoy, who has since been elected to Russia’s Duman, putting him out of reach of extradition laws.
Litvinenko, who lingered for three weeks in a British hospital, was loyal to the end to Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky, a onetime billionaire who was also in exile in Great Britain and leading a campaign against Putin when he, too, turned up dead. Russian officials say he hanged himself, but an independent autopsy found Berezovsky was attacked and hanged.
Nemtsov, 55, one of the most famous critics of Putin, had just left a restaurant with his girlfriend, Anna Duritskaya, a 23-year-old model and Ukrainian national, when he was murdered. Duritskaya claims she did not see the shooter. Earlier, Nemtsov had made an appearance on Ekho Moskvy -- or Echo of Moscow -- a radio station where he called on Moscow residents to attend a march against Putin’s administration and the war in Ukraine Feb. 27.
"There is already a list of unsolved political murders and attacks in Russia," Amnesty International said in a statement this week. "We cannot allow Boris Nemtsov to become just another name on this list."
Whether Putin is directly involved or simply the beneficiary of so many untimely deaths of his enemies will probably never be seriously investigated, say Kremlin watchers. By some measures the richest and most powerful man in the world, Putin appears beyond the reach of any prosecution.
“Putin gets away with it because the Russian state controls the media in Russia, it rules with an iron fist, and Russians are deeply afraid of their own government,” said Nile Gardiner, of the Heritage Foundation. “Putin sits atop a vicious tyranny. Ordinary Russians won’t stand up to the state. There is a climate of fear with the Putin regime exercising a vise-like grip over the Russian people.”
Browden believes Putin was behind the murder of Nemtsov, and says the killing may be the Russian leader’s most brazen yet.
“The murder of Boris Nemtsov means that the gloves are off in Russia,” said Browden. “It used to be, for very high-profile politicians, they were imprisoned or put into exile. But the assassination of Boris Nemtsov within feet of the Kremlin means Putin and his cronies have no shame and international and domestic opinion means nothing to them.”
What is the evidence that the Russian government has tried to influence our election in the manner you described? Is it because some of the hacked metadata showed a couple of the hackers had cyrillic script installed on their computers? Please tell me there is more evidence than that.
It seems to me that the Democrats are trying to deflect the blame to foreign governments to take the spotlight off of their own shady dealings.
I'm curious. Is there some type of proof of hacking our emails in an attempt to influence our election?
Don't know, but the FBI and CIA are saying it's so. Now, maybe you don't want to believe them which is of course your right, but why would they say that if they don't believe it.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Haus..first, the name... ...Joule Unlimited Technologies ...Bedford, MA 01730
haus, that name comes from the "email". I sure don't see anything in the email that jumps out at me as being illegal, but hey, I'm not a lawyer.
IMO, we are down to "hyping" the emails in an effort to make folks believe there is something illegal or shady in them.
If you don't care about Russian politics then you should not be concerned about this story about Russia saying they are ordering their officials and families to fly home...it's nothing but Russian politics.
Don't allow someone else to take emotional control over your thought process. Instilling fear still works, if you allow it to.
There is no proof that the Russians are behind the email hacks. I do think they have the capability and the motive, but so do other nations and groups. It's a dangerous game the dems are playing, accusing another superpower of this to deflect attention from their own criminal acts as you said. If history is any indication, Mac will blindly toe the democratic party line to the end.
What scares me is that with Trump or Hillary at the helm, the state of world leadership is resembling the inbred buffoonery that led to WWI.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
There is no proof that the Russians are behind the email hacks. I do think they have the capability and the motive, but so do other nations and groups. It's a dangerous game the dems are playing, accusing another superpower of this to deflect attention from their own criminal acts as you said. If history is any indication, Mac will blindly toe the democratic party line to the end.
What scares me is that with Trump or Hillary at the helm, the state of world leadership is resembling the inbred buffoonery that led to WWI.
Jfan, the FBI and I think the CIA are saying it.. Not me, not Mac.. We are just saying what the authorities are saying. You can believe there is no evidence if you want, but apparently the powers in DC say you aren't right.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Jill stein is right, Trump would be better for Russia...if we're talking about letting Putin do whatever the hell he pleases. there's a reason why Putin likes Trump, and it has to do with the fact that he knows he can walk all over him with no consequences whatsoever.
Also, i got a very good chuckle out of this:
Originally Posted By: Haus
I don't really care about Russian politics.
Really? if you did, then your own question regarding:
Originally Posted By: Haus
Wouldn't it be nice if we just got along with Russia?
would've been answered already.
For somebody i consider a highly intelligent person, you really let me down with these comments. I dunno what universe you live in that has you thinking that this isn't relatable at all.
to understand russian politics is to understand why the US has never wanted to be "friendly" with them. it and goes back to before you and i were even born.
every single president - and more specifically congress up until this lame duck congress - since the end of WW2 has understood that the moment you give the russians an inch, they will attempt to take hundreds of miles before you can even say "whoa hold up a minute"
it's why Putin doesn't like Clinton. remember, Clinton was one of the few who took a hard stance again putin in the 2011 election in Russia. everybody knows that election was rigged, and Putin hated that Clinton called his ass out on it, especially when the mass protest against the Kremlin happened.
remember the "reset" obama was doing with Putin? Clinton helped that out, and putin is pissed because the "Reset" only ended up screwing Russia, but he had to go along with it. thats the kind of positions we need to take against the Kremlin.
He knows he can't do whatever he pleases with regards to foreign policy if Clinton is elected. He also knows that Trump is a pushover who has zero clue about foreign policy period.
So if you're Putin and the Kremlin, of course you want Trump to be president: he already owes you money, and you already have him in your back pocket. it's a no brainer.
And thank GOD trump won't be winning this election. Putin would've made so many crazy ass moves with zero opposing him.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'm curious. Is there some type of proof of hacking our emails in an attempt to influence our election?
Don't know, but the FBI and CIA are saying it's so. Now, maybe you don't want to believe them which is of course your right, but why would they say that if they don't believe it.
IMO, the FBI should be the CBI (Clinton BI) and they have zero respect, reliability, credibility or allegiance to this country.
I've followed this story for awhile, so I know about the accusations, but I never saw proof as to what you and mac are claiming. I was wondering if I missed something.........
Here is what makes me wonder.......
Quote:
“We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities,” the statement said.
It did not name President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, but that appeared to be the intention.
The statement from Mr. Clapper and the Department of Homeland Security, which is primarily responsible for defending the country against sophisticated 10/14/2016 U.S. Says Russia Directed Hacks to Influence Elections cyberattacks, said the intelligence agencies were less certain who was responsible for “scanning and probing” online election rolls in states around the country. It said that those “in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company,” but stopped short of alleging the Russian government was responsible for those probes.
Jill stein is right, Trump would be better for Russia...if we're talking about letting Putin do whatever the hell he pleases. there's a reason why Putin likes Trump, and it has to do with the fact that he knows he can walk all over him with no consequences whatsoever.
Also, i got a very good chuckle out of this:
Originally Posted By: Haus
I don't really care about Russian politics.
Really? if you did, then your own question regarding:
Originally Posted By: Haus
Wouldn't it be nice if we just got along with Russia?
would've been answered already.
For somebody i consider a highly intelligent person, you really let me down with these comments. I dunno what universe you live in that has you thinking that this isn't relatable at all.
to understand russian politics is to understand why the US has never wanted to be "friendly" with them. it and goes back to before you and i were even born.
every single president - and more specifically congress up until this lame duck congress - since the end of WW2 has understood that the moment you give the russians an inch, they will attempt to take hundreds of miles before you can even say "whoa hold up a minute"
it's why Putin doesn't like Clinton. remember, Clinton was one of the few who took a hard stance again putin in the 2011 election in Russia. everybody knows that election was rigged, and Putin hated that Clinton called his ass out on it, especially when the mass protest against the Kremlin happened.
remember the "reset" obama was doing with Putin? Clinton helped that out, and putin is pissed because the "Reset" only ended up screwing Russia, but he had to go along with it. thats the kind of positions we need to take against the Kremlin.
He knows he can't do whatever he pleases with regards to foreign policy if Clinton is elected. He also knows that Trump is a pushover who has zero clue about foreign policy period.
So if you're Putin and the Kremlin, of course you want Trump to be president: he already owes you money, and you already have him in your back pocket. it's a no brainer.
And thank GOD trump won't be winning this election. Putin would've made so many crazy ass moves with zero opposing him.
That is not what Jill Stein said. Jill Stein said, among other things, that Hillary's plan to enforce a "no-fly" zone in Syria would result in a direct confrontation between U.S. and Russian troops and a possible escalation into nuclear war. Nobody wants that.
As far as not caring about Russian politics, I don't care to get into the mud-slinging nature of that. It's tiring enough hearing about it as it relates to Trump and Hillary. But obviously they are still a major player in the world and of course I care about the discussion as it relates to the U.S. and the world. Call it poor wording on my part. I'll defer to one of the things I wrote in my first post in this thread: "Now look, I'm not making any statements about how good or not good of a leader he is, or how they run their country over there."
Mac says he won't live his life in fear. Fine, neither will I. But there's no sense in literally risking the future of the world just to talk tough. You know those nuclear weapons that destroyed Japanese cities near the end of WWII-- Little Boy and Fat Man? Those had a yield of about 15 kilotons TNT. Basically babies of the nuclear world. Thermonuclear weapons, of which both the United States and Russia still possess thousands of, might run something like 150 kilotons yield up to I think the biggest ever detonated was 50 megatons. Those yields equate to being 10 to ~3,000 times stronger than the bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If the latter were dropped over Cleveland, you'd be looking at instantaneous third degree burns if you were in Akron.
It's really scary stuff. The threat of nuclear war is something that the older people on this board lived through and a lot of younger people are simply naive about. All I will say is that Hillary's rhetoric is deeply worrying. Listen to what Jill Stein said again.
i disagree with her. i just made a play on her words. she thinks Trump would be better for Russia. i agree, just in a completely different way.
this is politics and foreign policy. to think you're gonna avoid any sort of mud-slinging is poor planning on your part.
We're talking about two military superpowers as rivals. mud slinging is probably 80-90 percent of the battle. or what people like to call "diplomacy". hell, that's what the cold war was.
you might as well embrace it, because it's unavoidable.
i support Hillary's stance on this. i have since she was Secretary of State. and if her and obama would've been allowed to go and get Assad like they wanted to, we wouldn't be having this discussion about the threat of nukes to begin with, as the russian's were in no position to offer much support to Assad.
There's no situation where i support allowing Putin to do whatever he pleases. That happens if Trump is president.
besides, Putin won't be dropping nukes. the moment he launches a nuke is the moment his country turns into ice skating ring. although it's pretty much like that already.
it's why it hasn't happened. and it won't happen. Russia isn't gonna drop a nuke in the middle east. and they damn sure aren't gonna do it on american soil.
he will lose any sort of allies he has in the region, specifically Iran.
his relationship with China is done. they aren't gonna even bother entertaining that relationship.
and he's looking at the full force of NATO knocking on his doorstep if that happens.
the only way he's dropping a nuke is if anybody tries attacking Russia itself. please don't buy into the fear mongering propaganda Putin is trying to push off on the american people.
Last edited by Swish; 10/14/1610:54 AM.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
And her emails have nothing to do with her ability to stand up to Putin.
Anyway it's a moot point. I don't have to worry about trump being bent over by Russia as he won't be winning this election.
Hillary is a snake. And there's nothing better than having a serpent take care of the rats.
All well, have a good one.
Last edited by Swish; 10/14/1611:19 AM.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Wouldn't it be nice if we just got along with Russia? Wouldn't it be nice if we had a candidate who got along well enough with Putin?
Now look, I'm not making any statements about how good or not good of a leader he is, or how they run their country over there. I'm just saying for the sake of safety and well-being of our country (and indeed, the world), it seems to me that a friendly working relationship between the United States and Russia is in everyone's best interest.
Maybe there's some behind the scenes stuff going on that makes this not possible. If anybody is privy to that info, please share it. As an ordinary guy, I don't see why it can't happen. Frankly I'm tired of all the saber-rattling, the war hawking, and thinly-veiled accusations thrown around with only the flimsiest of evidence.
I feel you're just putting off the inevitable. There's going to be a conflict between Russia and the US.
Wouldn't it be nice if we just got along with Russia? Wouldn't it be nice if we had a candidate who got along well enough with Putin?
Now look, I'm not making any statements about how good or not good of a leader he is, or how they run their country over there. I'm just saying for the sake of safety and well-being of our country (and indeed, the world), it seems to me that a friendly working relationship between the United States and Russia is in everyone's best interest.
Maybe there's some behind the scenes stuff going on that makes this not possible. If anybody is privy to that info, please share it. As an ordinary guy, I don't see why it can't happen. Frankly I'm tired of all the saber-rattling, the war hawking, and thinly-veiled accusations thrown around with only the flimsiest of evidence.
I feel you're just putting off the inevitable. There's going to be a conflict between Russia and the US.
Bringin back the Cold War!
AND FFWD to 1:30 in this one...
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
I agree with Mac. I feel the same way about Islamic jihadists & mega earthquakes/tsunami's (all the talk here on the west coast). There is nothing we can do but, continue to live our lives. Go to work, cook dinner for our family, go to the pub with our friends, enjoy a date/night out with our partner, walk the dogs, go to our kids baseball games, watch football on Sunday and everything in between. By living a life of fear it paralyzes us and shows weakness. I think the average Russian, Iranian, Pakistani, North Korean etc. feels exactly the same way about us. What can you do?
Anyway....all of us have a much higher likelihood of dying in a car accident or even a shooting than we do a terrorist attack, global nuclear war or 9.0+ earthquakes. If WW3 happens and all hell breaks loose or if the big one destroys the west coast...then honestly, what can you and I do about it?
I've followed this story for awhile, so I know about the accusations, but I never saw proof as to what you and mac are claiming. I was wondering if I missed something.........
Here is what makes me wonder.......
Quote:
“We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities,” the statement said.
It did not name President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, but that appeared to be the intention.
The statement from Mr. Clapper and the Department of Homeland Security, which is primarily responsible for defending the country against sophisticated 10/14/2016 U.S. Says Russia Directed Hacks to Influence Elections cyberattacks, said the intelligence agencies were less certain who was responsible for “scanning and probing” online election rolls in states around the country. It said that those “in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company,” but stopped short of alleging the Russian government was responsible for those probes.
Here's the problem I have with the accusation that Russia hacked the emails in an attempt to influence the election in favor of Trump, let's say they did it. What was the actual action they did? Did they dump a ton of money into Trump's campaign? Did they make up false accusations toward Clinton? Did they tamper with voter registrations? Did they tamper with the software in the voting machines to favor Trump? No, I don't think they did.
If indeed they performed the email hacking what they did was expose Clinton and her lies along with the methods of the Democratic party. That's it.
And who made that possible with her private server which in my mind is a red flag that Clinton was trying to hide something from her own government as well as the American people?
And if Russia gained some classified information from it who do we blame, them for trying it or her for making it available? That was the risk she was willing to take when she decided to deceive her own.
Personally, I don't care who hacked those emails. Who hacked them is of no importance whatsoever. What is important is what those emails exposed, not who exposed them.
In addition, does anybody think for a moment that the U.S. does not spy on the Russians? If we can read their emails then I'm sure we do.
I'm curious. Is there some type of proof of hacking our emails in an attempt to influence our election?
Don't know, but the FBI and CIA are saying it's so. Now, maybe you don't want to believe them which is of course your right, but why would they say that if they don't believe it.
They also said Hillary's transgressions were severe but not worth a criminal charge, yet they put Martha Stewart for far, far less.
We don't have a "United" States anymore. A divorce is in the process.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
In what world is government sabotage and spying not a big deal? BTW just because gov't servers are gov't, doesn't mean they're immune to hacking attempts. A few months back, a list containing everyone with a security clearance's private data got hacked by the Chinese.
I'm curious. Is there some type of proof of hacking our emails in an attempt to influence our election?
Don't know, but the FBI and CIA are saying it's so. Now, maybe you don't want to believe them which is of course your right, but why would they say that if they don't believe it.
They also said Hillary's transgressions were severe but not worth a criminal charge, yet they put Martha Stewart for far, far less.
We don't have a "United" States anymore. A divorce is in the process.
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