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Third round Cody is putting up decent performances DESPITE a patchwork line and sub par talent. Pretty amazing where the kid has came from since that Chicago debacle.
Pryor is showing what hard work, dedication and self discipline gets a man.
I tip my hat to both these guys.
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I have to agree, we need pass rush, and I want a QB desperately.
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Well I look at it this way .. We have 2 numbers 1s .. 2number 2s a third and I think we end up with like three number 4s in the draft .. Look at what Dallas did last draft ! .. If there is a definitive Franchise QB you grab him then go Elite pass rusher and a #1 CB ... Ain't rocket science ??
Plenty of picks left over to address Safety / OL / IB ...
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I have to say Shelton is playing well. I called him out earlier in the year. I missed on that comment.
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Amazing the lack of respect given to Kessler after playing a good game against a top 10 defense with a beat up line and a slot receiver starting instead of our speedster.
I swear some people won't be happy unless we have a hybrid of Marino/Manning/Cunningham back there that throws for 5000 yards with no interceptions and adds another 500 rushing.
This is a rookie QB playing with a ton of other rookies on an injury ravaged team and STILL putting us in positions to win and yet people are saying "Yeah, maybe he'll make a decent backup". Holy crap people, WHAT DO YOU WANT?
Does Kessler have a lightning bolt for an arm? No. Is he effective? Evidence so far says yes. He's rapidly earning the right to start the remainder of the season. Do we still draft a QB? Probably...but I hope its an open competition and I wouldn't count Kessler out.
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I have to say Shelton is playing well. I called him out earlier in the year. I missed on that comment. Wouldn't say you missed. You called him out based on his performance to date, and you were spot on. He stepped up his game.
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I have to say Shelton is playing well. I called him out earlier in the year. I missed on that comment. He's playing way better thus far. Experience, better, coaching, conditioning, etc ... whatever it is, it's worked
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I agree. Another poster was wondering why many referred to Cody as a solid back-up? If he keeps improving then there is no reason why he can't be our Sipe.
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He's played what, 3 complete games? Withought any legitimate reps in TC.
None of the QBS coming out this year even seem on the Goff/Wentz level of hype, and while the media will fix that come draft time, I think that's part of the reason I'm "Ok" with giving him the rest of this season, and letting him have the whole offseason as "The Guy".
Also I want Myles Garrett.
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He's played what, 3 complete games? Withought any legitimate reps in TC.
None of the QBS coming out this year even seem on the Goff/Wentz level of hype, and while the media will fix that come draft time, I think that's part of the reason I'm "Ok" with giving him the rest of this season, and letting him have the whole offseason as "The Guy".
Also I want Myles Garrett. I'm not annointing him as "the guy" quite yet but he continues to give reason for hope. And you're right...there doesn;t seem to be a true blue-chip QB as of yet. I've started to get interested in Mahomes but the whole system QB label is a bit of a red flag.
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I thought Kessler played well. Pryor is fantastic. We need a legit #2 - Hawkins is a slot guy and Louis had a tough day but hopefully he can learn and improve. Isn't the plan for Coleman to be the #1 and Pryor the #2? They could be a very solid #1/#2 (in whatever order, I don't really care) for a long time. we need to be able to run the ball I have no idea why we could run the ball and now we can't. I know last year Atlanta couldn't... and now they can.
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When could we run the ball last year....?
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When could we run the ball last year....? Not last year, earlier this year.. realize how that sounded... but the Falcons are saying that Mack is pretty much the reason they can run the ball this year..
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Amazing the lack of respect given to Kessler after playing a good game against a top 10 defense with a beat up line and a slot receiver starting instead of our speedster. Amen brother... Wentz, the guy everybody was drooling over and wanted to fire our FO for not taking has lost his last 2 games and through 6 games is... 65% completions, 7.6 ypa, 237 ypg, 7 TDs, 1 INT, rating of 99.9 Kessler, who may some day be a decent back-up, through 4 games is... 65.6% completions, 7.1 ypa, 216 ypg, 4 TDs, 1 INT, rating of 93.8 and currently has a higher QB rating than Newton, Palmer, Manning, Rodgers, Marriota, Lynch, Siemien, Flacco, Winston...
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Listing good things and bad things is somehow deemed to be trashing a guy on this board. Gotta love the objectivity.
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j/c..
Hats off to Kessler, he played a good game. He's a tough guy who's out there giving it his all and doing better than expected.
Pryor had a good performance.
Erving damn near does not belong in the NFL.
We need significant upgrades to the secondary.
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j/c:
I am wondering if anyone else noticed the tiff between Hue and Pryor on the sidelines. Looks like Hue was trying to talk to him and Pryor blew him off. Hue looked disgusted and/or irritated.
I also heard about Pryor criticizing the media for being disrespectful because they asked Kessler about his family. After the crap he pulled at Ohio State, I really don't care to hear Pryor's take on morals.
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yeah, i wasn't sure what that was about between Pryor and Hue. Not sure if he was mad at Pryor, Loius, Kessler, etc. Forgot about that.
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j/c: I also heard about Pryor criticizing the media for being disrespectful because they asked Kessler about his family. This actually came across as contrived to me. Kessler wasn't bothered by it. All the media did was a actually ask a follow-up question to a story Kessler openly shared with the media. It may just be Pryor continuing to try and establish himself as a leader on the team, but the comments were misplaced and unnecessary.
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j/c:
I am wondering if anyone else noticed the tiff between Hue and Pryor on the sidelines. Looks like Hue was trying to talk to him and Pryor blew him off. Hue looked disgusted and/or irritated.
That's weird. I saw a situation where Pryor was trying to talk to Hue and Hue blew him off. I even mentioned it in the gameday thread when it happened.
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Amazing the lack of respect given to Kessler after playing a good game against a top 10 defense with a beat up line and a slot receiver starting instead of our speedster. Amen brother... Wentz, the guy everybody was drooling over and wanted to fire our FO for not taking has lost his last 2 games and through 6 games is... 65% completions, 7.6 ypa, 237 ypg, 7 TDs, 1 INT, rating of 99.9 Kessler, who may some day be a decent back-up, through 4 games is... 65.6% completions, 7.1 ypa, 216 ypg, 4 TDs, 1 INT, rating of 93.8 and currently has a higher QB rating than Newton, Palmer, Manning, Rodgers, Marriota, Lynch, Siemien, Flacco, Winston... And this is another fine example of WHY ... STATS ARE FOR ...  ... And if your going to run stats out there .. u should at least have them right .. Wentz has played 5 games, not 6 ... And i love how folks are erunning around saying Wentz has lost his last 2 .. haven't watched yesterdays game yet .. but he played VERY GOOD IN THERE FIRST LOSS ... VERY GOOD .. just like out problem isn't Cody, Wentz was not even close to the reason they lost to the Lions .. Very interested to watch yesterdays game ... hoping to get to it tonight .. it will be the 1st game i watch ... his stats looked BRUTAL .. but as we all know .. STATS ARE FOR ...  .. Before I say this .. i have NOT, NOR WILL I EVER BASH the FO for this .. players are missed on .... THATS THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS .... and i am one that thinks its way to EARLY TO JUDGE these guys .. u can dissect there play so far .. but its like making FINAL CONCLUSIONS after the books intro ... were barely into the first chapter yet .. If the FO could have a do over based on what they know now .. NO WAY DO THEY TRADE DOWN .. ZERO ... AND IF THEY WOULD NOW .. then thats a PROBLEM .. *L* .. No clue how this will end up .. Wentz can do things Cody can't .. that much is EVIDENT all ready .. and thats not a slam on Cody .. i said after the draft I didn't mind the pick at all .. Cody is who are staff THOUGHT HE WOULD BE so far .. Wentz best be playing way better than we thought he could ..
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i watched the Eagles game on my phone when Browns were on commercial and often between plays. Wentz took a beating and he looked like a deer in headlights out there. He had 5-7 seconds most of the year and that wasnt there yesterday and he paid for it. He would already be on IR if he was behind our OL and may be on IR in another week with the hits he is likely to take in the coming weeks.
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i watched the Eagles game on my phone when Browns were on commercial and often between plays. Wentz took a beating and he looked like a deer in headlights out there. He had 5-7 seconds most of the year and that wasnt there yesterday and he paid for it. He would already be on IR if he was behind our OL and may be on IR in another week with the hits he is likely to take in the coming weeks. Lane Johnson's first game on suspension.
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Did anyone else notice that it looked like Shelton has dropped some weight?
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I was at the game.. didnt realize he had so many passing yards. wow.
He's a fighter for sure.
Unfortunately, sometimes being a fighter isnt enough. Won't count him out yet tho. He's a rookie, and has a lot more to learn.
Proud of him.
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It was the RT position that was getting him killed. Not sure if their RT moved to LT or not but RT looked like Paztor was out there.
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Wentz did not look like a deer in headlights. The biggest problem was that Washington had the ball for almost an entire quarter.
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he needed a boat with all the sailing he was doing on Sunday.
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Did anyone else notice that it looked like Shelton has dropped some weight? yeah it was made a big deal this offseason by the Browns PR outlets.
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what? i gave him plenty of credit for his outstanding games but last week was really bad. He took 2 sacks with plenty of time to end the game.
his best pass on the day was brought back due to a flag but he struggled with pressure and at times looked confused and he sailed passes long throughout the game.
First 4 weeks he was arguably the best QB out there. Last week he looked like a rookie QB struggling behind a shaky offensive line.
Cody has impressed me. You obviously disagree with that and you are entitled to your opinion. he has a lot to prove but so does WEntz. We will see how these youngsters do as teams now have legit film to study on them.
through these first 6 weeks, I would still give Wentz an A- and I would also give Dak a solid A as well. Kessler however has earned a B+ imho.
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Cody has impressed me. You obviously disagree with that Why? Because I listed both his positives and negatives? Like I say...........I expect crap like that from many of the other posters on here...........just not you. If you wanna have a real, intelligent conversation about the two....PM me............because it would be almost impossible in the public forums w/all the BS posters who act like they know all there is to know about QBs and the game.
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If you wanna have a real, intelligent conversation about the two....PM me............because it would be almost impossible in the public forums w/all the BS posters who act like they know all there is to know about QBs and the game.
why do you feel the need to bash other people's post? Goodness. Say what you need to say and keep it moving.
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Cody Kessler has played better than expected given where he was drafted. What he is showing now is pretty much what he showed in college. He is tough. He is a leader and he can be accurate.
However, his limitations are also evident. If you watch his mid-level out patterns it is plain to see. He can not fire the ball. The ball has low velocity and floats. He simply does not have the arm to make certain throws with consistency.
He can to a degree compensate with timing. But what can happen is that: he will telegraph the throw and guys will jump the route because there will be time to make that move.
There is no comparison to Wentz. Wentz is just a bigger stronger guy who can make every throw required.
That does not mean that Cody can not be effective. It simply means he has limitations.
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I did post my post-game thoughts. I did NOT mention one single poster, than I gotta come on here and read the crap that Canada started.
And what are you doing? In fact, that is about all you do.
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I did post my post-game thoughts. I did NOT mention one single poster, than I gotta come on here and read the crap that Canada started.
And what are you doing? In fact, that is about all you do. And pretty sure I never singled you out Verse so not sure why you're putting something on me. In fact, your post was honest and balanced. You said he had some ups and downs for you. That didn;t irk me at all. Sorry you believe the point I made was crap but its my opinion and one that I believe is justified by people who seem to think its realistic to go from 3-13 to 16-0 and that we should be able to field a team that would only be realistic in Madden. I hope Kessler continues to play well and watch how people continually call him purely a back-up just because he doesn't have a howitzer for an arm. Maybe we should just bring back Weeden.
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Cody Kessler has played better than expected given where he was drafted. What he is showing now is pretty much what he showed in college. He is tough. He is a leader and he can be accurate.
However, his limitations are also evident. If you watch his mid-level out patterns it is plain to see. He can not fire the ball. The ball has low velocity and floats. He simply does not have the arm to make certain throws with consistency.
He can to a degree compensate with timing. But what can happen is that: he will telegraph the throw and guys will jump the route because there will be time to make that move.
There is no comparison to Wentz. Wentz is just a bigger stronger guy who can make every throw required.
That does not mean that Cody can not be effective. It simply means he has limitations.
Gasp...balanced and well thought critique... is that allowed here? You make a legit point Bone. Everyone has negatives and one of Kessler's is that he doesn't have elite arm strength. Whether or not, he is able to compensate effectively and improve WITH this limitation will only be shown with time and evidence. Right now, the base of evidence is promising and I hope that he continues to show well.
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I apologize if I misinterpreted you. I read the part about people slamming Kessler and never being happy and thought you were talking about me because I listed a few concerns. I am just a bit gun-shy because of all the crap on here, just like Turk's. Here is my OP again. I did NOT mention one poster. It was all football. j/c:
--Shelton played a very good game. Murray has been running roughshod over other NFL defenses. We did a great job on him and Shelton's play was a huge factor in that.
--Kindred and IC absolutely suck in coverage. I have been saying it all year. I find it hard to believe that anyone would still say they can cover after yesterday's game. Those plays were more out in the open and impossible to miss. But, they have sucked all year.
--I thought the hit on Poyer was a clean football hit. I feel bad he got injured, but man, that was a nice hit.
--Kessler was up and down for me. He was very gutty. He did not throw a pick. He extended plays. He made some nice throws. On the other hand, he made a couple of bad decisions w/bad throws and was bailed out by Pryor making great plays on the ball. The one where he rolled left and lofted one back across the field had pick 6 written all over it. Pryor knifes between two defenders and makes the catch. The one TD pass was similar.
--It would have been nice to run more, but I think the book is in on the Brown's offense w/Kessler at qb. Stack the LOS, take away the win, allow Kessler to dink and dunk while taking away the big plays. Not saying it will always work, but that is what teams are going to do. Kessler will have some inflated numbers like he did yesterday, but the Browns will still lose.
--Has our kicker missed a kick after his first-game debacle?
--Joe Haden sure misses a lot of games, but is always good to talk about basketball and have fun on the sidelines.
--Erving is football dumb. How many times can he make the wrong decision and leave guys unblocked?
--I am getting sick of all the penalties that are called in NFL games. There is very little flow to the games because of all the damn calls.
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I am just a bit gun-shy because of all the crap on here... I picked up on that.
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After watching a replay I see that I mistakenly singled out Shelton as getting "obliterated" on Murray's TD run in my post here yesterday. It was Meder who got blown up and buried. My bad. Shelton got blocked and was a split second late to the gap. In my own defense, he did fail to beat the one guy blocking him on the play, not a double-team. I'm still not on board with regards to Shelton, but he wasn't as bad as I portrayed.
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