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Indeed, He has a 600 post head start in this thread.

LOL...........okay.

I do have a question for you. Are you going to call out guys like Vambo, 101, and many others who post extremely opinionated positive posts that are not based in fact, or are you just going to pick on guys who aren't always positive?

There is a difference in having an opinion and posting something as fact that clearly isn't fact. Like I said he graduated from pessimism to propaganda a while ago.

I don't agree w/mac's take, but those guys are even worse. I think your stance on this is influenced more by perspective than reality.

haha glad to see you draw me into this vers...umm first when I post something as "fact" it always comes with a link. when I post my opinion it does not come with a link. there ya go enjoy brother.

You're welcome.

lol thank you so much.

I agree....this guy is a joke. We aren't trading Joe. I heard it from the Coach.

Florio may or may not be lying. One could assume that because he's collecting a paycheck, he's most likely not 100% making it up.

But his report wouldn't even meet the standards of DawgTalkers if he tried to post it here. I understand not wanting to burn a source. I don't blame him for not saying who told him. But he has to be able to validate his claim in some fashion. To me his claim would be more credible if he presented that he had confirmed with team officials of any of the other teams he claimed were interested in JoeT that they indeed were.

To me the list of other teams interested doesn't read any different than a poster putting up a list of who they think could use JoeT due to their own O-Line problems. It reads as conjecture.

Sorry man, I just don't see anything in that article or video that validates or corroborates any of his claims.

Maybe that will change?

Haha.

Well it seems like it wasn't about money after all. The fact that they felt Parkey was younger and could be a long-term piece were indeed the factors. And there doesn't seem to be any infighting between the coaches and FO about this signing. And Parkey is playing well.

You read like a book. A very boring book where the reader always knows what will happen next.

Back to the thread:

mac, isn't it possible that Florio got his information from other teams or Joe's agent? Are you positive his source is someone w/the Browns?


And what if the Browns were trying to trade Joe T? I don't want him to go. No one pimped drafting him more than I did when he was at Wisconsin. He's been my favorite player for a long time. I'd love to see him become a winner here.

However, the Browns are going to lose a ton of games this year and next. I can't even say the future looks bright in the new regime's 3rd year. I don't want them to trade Joe, but man, will he even be playing when the Browns are ready to be even a mediocre team, never mind a contender for the championship?

Robbie Gould is making $637,000
Cody Parkey is making $463,000

The difference ($174,000), in terms of the NFL, is less than pocket change. Again, this wasn't about money.

memp...you want to post your thoughts about something I wrote...I have no problem with it because your are entitled to your opinions, just as I'm entitled to my opinions.

The kicker thing, might have cost the Browns a win, but hey, look at the money the Browns are saving.

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Robbie Gould is making $637,000
Cody Parkey is making $463,000

The difference ($174,000), in terms of the NFL, is less than pocket change. Again, this wasn't about money. [/quote]


memp...Gould's contract, recently signed with the Giants is below, along with link.

Robbie Gould signed a 1 year, $985,000 contract with the New York Giants, including an average annual salary of $985,000. In 2016, Gould will earn a base salary of $637,532. Gould has a cap hit of $388,235. link


JMHO, but every personnel move the Moneyball Boys make is valued in dollars and cents by this franchise. Given the fact that Haslam's background and education are in "business" and Sashi's education and background is "business", as is Depodesta's education and background...imo, the business side of the franchise is well represented..maybe a bit too much!

I saw the 900,000 number but his base is 637,000. Where is the other money coming from? I don't see it in bonus.

If the difference is a few hundred thousand more....NOW it's officially pocket change between the two salaries. Again, insignificant.

EDIT: the $900,000 number is if he had been with the team all season. The $600,000 figure is what he'll actually get, I believe.

Just wondering ... and appearantly the difference is ALOT MORE than U thought ..

Anyhow ... just curious ..

How many billing hours from his team of attorneys would 174,000 cover ... *L* ..

In NFL terms it may be pocket change .. its a hell of alot more than pocket change in the world of attorney's billable hours ....

$174k in billable hours is really nothing for an attorney.

*LOL* .. it was a JOKE ... WOW ..

And dude .. not sure what world u live in .. but unless u have an attorney charging u 1000/hour ... 174k is ALOT OF BILLABLE HOURS ...

Do u have an attorney .. if so, whats your hourly rate .. DO THE MATH ..

Then see if they can find u a SENSE OF HUMOR ...

Did you notice a difference? I didn't call Florio a liar. I listed it as one of the options because I do not know.

Now compare it to this:



A statement of fact. You show no uncertainty here. If you are so certain you should be able to back it up. You were also certain that choosing Parkey was all about the money. You were certain Haslam is buying a NASCAR team and is going to funnel Brown's money to it. You seem to be certain about a whole bunch of things. So from now on be willing to back up your certainty with a link.

Here's your litmus test. If what you are posting points to some sort of insidious master plan, you are going to get called out on it.

Examples:

"Our DB's suck" ----opinion that will not be called out.

"Our DB's suck because Haslam wants to use that money to buy a racehorse called 'factoryofsadness' and run him in the Kentucky Derby." ----not an opinion, a statement of fact, expect to be called out on it and expect a link to Haslam buying a racehorse to be followed with a request for a link showing the the money came from the Browns. Billionaires buy racehorses.

No, I think the difference is what I originally thought.

No, its not ... did u notice that Gould's is PRO-RATED for the amount of games left .. appearanlty not, either that or your a flat out liar ..

To make a TRUE COMPARISION ... U would take Gould's 637 figure and add to it whatever he earns per game + the number of games he didn't play in that Parker did ..

So if parker played in 4 more games than Gould .. U would have to add

4 x Gould's per game salary would be ...

So it is ALOT MORE than u said ..

Don't mess with me when it comes to math .. ask Lamp .. *L* ..

And i HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THIS MOVE when it happend .. immediately said i COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD ... and its what i would have done .. were not looking for wins this year were looking for players to help in the future ..

I wonder why the Iggles cut him .. Sturgis is good .. but u don't usually cur YOUNG pro bowl kickers for a rookie .. i wonder how Parker did after he made the pro bowl .. he may have had a bad year that led to his release ..

Oh well .. ENJOY messing with mac on his one track mind thread ... doesn't seem like alot of fun to me .. but to each there own ..

LOL. My sense of humor is fine. Just not in that instance.

Fine. Your approach is more fair and better of a comparison.

Parkey is $525,000 on a one-year deal.

Gould is getting $985,000 on a one-year deal.

Neither player is earning that full contract. The main focus of the reply with Mac was centered on the move being strictly about saving money. I don't think it was in any way, shape or form and the difference between that money is so small in NFL terms, it's ridiculous...even at a $460,000 difference. And yes, this comparison, simply including the one-year amount is larger than pro-rating the amount several games later when Gould signed elsewhere. That was an oversight on my part.

Has Parkey missed any attempt since his first game as a Brown?

No, I don't believe so.

We are near the 300 post mark so the rehash of this thread by mac is inevitable.

I often times don't wade in on these topics much, but in this case I will.

I believe the kicker thing is obvious. Do you want a kicker near the end of his career only to have to address it again, or do you want a young kicker with possibly answering the kicker position for the long haul?

With the obvious fact we are in total rebuild mode, I believe that answer would be obvious. I also have to ask you since you brought up that Parkey may have cost us a game. What is the real difference in 2-14 verses 3-13?

I believe this FO is looking at the future, not next week which helps explain the signing of Parkey.

I don't and have never begrudged you your opinions. I'm one you will never get a lot of grief from. I just happen to have a different opinion that I find to be a logical one when it comes to the kicker situation. And from everything I've seen, after that first terrible week, Parkey has done a fine job.

Once again, since you didn't answer my two basic questions.....

Would signing a younger kicker to attempt to answer the position for the long term be a better way to address the position for a team in rebuilding mode than a kicker as a band aid who is nearing the end of his career?

Once again, in the long term, what is the difference between a 2-14 team and a 3-13 team? I could understand your outrage if their was any possibility that it stopped us from a playoff run or something, but that certainly isn't the case here.

Since the Dolphins game he has performed very well and looks like he may be the answer to our kicking game. Is that a bad thing? A very young and accurate kicker?

Do u mean the difference between 0 - 16 and 1 - 15 bro ...

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/04/cleveland-browns-nfl-draft-hue-jackson-paul-depodesta-sachi-brown

“We are trying to build a great organization over a long period of time,” DePodesta said Thursday night, “and tonight was the perfect example of that. We got a player we really wanted who we think is a great fit for us now, and yet we also have a few more bites at the apple.”

We aren't doing anything for the short term. Winning short term is not a priority. Winning long term is a priority.

Not having to spend a draft pick on a kicker next year means a draft pick that we can use somewhere else.

We had a shot at a guy that is young and made the Pro-Bowl and we took it. Does a win over Miami mean more to you than possibly having our kicker locked up for when a win means something?

Not me, I want the players to improve while losing this year. The higher our draft choices are, the better chance we have of turning this around.

I must commend you on keeping the conspiracy theory out of it this time although you still needed to squeeze in a few "Harvard Boys".

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Holy cow the Harvard boys can negotiate. Browns get another 3rd this year, another 2nd next year. That's two 1s, two 2s and two 3s next year

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Is it really that bad to be from Harvard?

Hell I wish I was that smart to attend and graduate from there.

Actually I do but I was giving it the benefit of the doubt. I don't want to get lumped in as being deplorable. lol

First pick.

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