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Extremely religious folks view any sex that does not conceive a child as a sin. Sex with a condom, sex for pleasure, homosexual sex, masterbation...

As an Atheist I don't believe in sin, but I do think the only kinds of sex that are wrong is rape for the obvious reason, sex with a child that is too young to consent, sex with someone who is mentally unable to understand or consent, sex with an animal, necrophilia and true bloodline incest.

It's funny that most of that lists, at one time or another in history or even today is condoned by extremely religious folks.

If two people openly want to be with each other, who am I to judge.

The age of consent should be about 14 because until recent history it was completely the norm and when natural hormone driven sexuality starts.

If sex with a relative close enough in your family would by chance produce damaged offspring, then this is not something you should do. A distant cousin, a sister-in-law that was widowed, a non-blood stepchild or stepparent and many other questionable relationships have been accepted in the past.

Rape has been prevalent in religions throughout history, but homosexual sex is vile... gmab.

Pit can speak for himself.

You should go back to posting ridiculous things about Trump praising Hillary in 2008 when Trump was not even running for anything or holding any elected position.

Heck, you may even have video of me from 2008 because I favored Clinton over Obama in that election.

Silly silly silly stuff.

I really don't like to speak out on my Christian beliefs. I believe what the Bible says on the subject if that helps you at all.

I believe the main difference between myself and a lot of other Christians that post on this board is that I do not wish to inflict my moral or religious beliefs on others. Nobody is forcing me to live my life differently. Nobody tries to force me to be gay. Nobody tries to prevent me from going to Church or believe as I see fit.

You see, from reading the Bible, I simply don't believe that's my job to try to punish to treat others differently irrespective of my belifs or what I perceive as sin.

Things like "Vengeance is mine saith the Lord", "Let He who be without sin cast the first stone", "Judge ye not lest yo too shall also be judged", "Be ye not of this world".

So my belief on the matter is that you should be kind to the sinner even if you believe it's a sin. My personal belief on abortion is that I'm totally against it according to my belief system. But to me, the ultimate decision is between the woman, her doctor and God.

So my belief is that I'm free to believe and live as I wish, but that I should not treat people differently that do not share my views. I hope that helps.

quote by candyman92

"Geesh.

Here comes the feelings over facts crowd. Newt Gingrich loves you."

Geesh. Great post candy. Great facts.

Nope, can't argue with such an erudite post.

(erudite kinda means smart candy)

I will inform the 14 yearolds of your thoughts just as soon as I am allotted time to speak in their safe speech zones.

So it doesn't matter what trump said about Hillary then?

Your boy was gushing over Hillary like he finally scored a date with her that Arch never could.

So like I tell the rest of the posters. Don't get mad at me for pointing it out. Be mad at your candidate for saying it.

Candy, lol! Trumps idea of a sneak attack is grab 'em by the p---y!

Rocky, like it or not "the feelings over facts crowd" fits most of the right.

40, I missed you lately man.

Not so much my thoughts, just an observation of human history and biology. But I would expect you to make more of it than it is. And the reason religious folks don't like sin is "safe zones" / "comfort zones"... If you were a gay christian would you think homosexual sex is a sin? Can you be gay and a Christian? Can you even put yourself in those shoes mentally?

A Gay Christian KNOWS homosexual sex is a sin.

Yes, of course you can be Gay and a Christian at the same time. All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.

quote above by OldColdDawg:

"Rocky, like it or not "the feelings over facts crowd" fits most of the right."

No it doesn't..NO...NO...NO....

You're wrong...wrong...wrong...

I'm not listening.

VRROOMMMM..VRROOOMMM...

"No, you're the puppet, you're the puppet!"

How come you Christians never focus on the illegal polygamy going on in Utah and Idaho? Why not attempt to crack down on that?

Or hell, any of the other sins going on? Why are gays always the focus of your wrath?

I'm on the Right and I don't "Feel" we should allow refugees in from countries we are at war with or countries that support terrorism.

I don't "Feel" borrowing $10 trillion dollars makes for good economic policy.

I don't "Feel" the need to feed people who won't lift a finger to help themselves.

I don't "Feel" the need to pass legislation to limit law abiding citizens from their right to protect themselves while allowing the poor, misunderstood criminals to run wild with guns.

I wonder what Jesus, a middle eastern, would say about refugees.

Sin is the focus of the Christians wrath, not people.

Utah and Idaho did not pass laws making polygamy the law of the land, only the Federal government did that with Gay Marriage.

Polygamy is illegal, just like inner city youth possessing guns.

BOMB!!!

DUCK!!!

It you're Christian. And you consistently focus your hate toward gays.

Cut the BS.

That post of yours is where the BS is. Who said anything about hating Gays? Please quote them.

Christians and God hate sin, not people.

You've made it abundantly clear how you feel about gays.

God hates sin, not people?

Right, because a great flood that killed everybody shows that he doesn't hate people whatsoever.

Or the fact that he hasn't been back since.

God isn't here. If he even existed in the first place.

j/c

If anyone's even remotely interested....
The Missus and me- votes are in the system.

Best advice: early voting is where it's at. The benefits:

1. No line to wait in.
2. 15 minutes, total in/out.
3. 1/2 hour, driveway to driveway.
4. Now I can ignore all you procrastinators and your arguments for the next 2 weeks!

40 comes back and all the liberals start squealing.

What? You're not going back and doing it again?

40 comes back and conserves find their courage again.

I guess 40 is the new republican Jesus on this board.

I voted last friday. Early voting is great.

Early voting is for dopes. Now your candidate pulls a knife and robs a 7-11 and you can proudly proclaim you voted for them.

Interestingly enough, there are many, many Trump signs being taken around here. Not replaced with anything.

Lol, so you're expecting trump to make good on his prediction and shoot somebody?

I came back yesterday and read thru the threads. Everyone did just fine without me! Not you of course and I straightened that out today.

On Saturday I was running erands and went through a busy intersection. There were numerous Trump supporters waving signs and people were honking and waving.

Yeah, I quit trying, unlike you.

Hey, you have any of her original e-mails to you? The fbi would like to see them.

Not sure why I want to drudge into this thread again, but I wanted to comment on this ...


There in-lies the rub. Be glad you don't bake cakes or teach at public schools. The biggest worry about granting gay rights wasn't that people would be doing unmentionable things behind closed doors, it was that legalizing it would legitimize the act and now everyone had to accept that as okay, otherwise be slapped with lawsuits or loss of your job. Now that worry has come to fruition. There's already been a push to try and force ministers to perform gay marriages, even if they don't want to. Who's moral beliefs are being forced on others now?



So, should a mother be allowed to kill her 5 year old son if she gets tired of him? Can we just say that's a decision between her and God and just move on? Or are you saying that a fetus is "not a real human". Which is interesting, because a lot of the same arguments made for keeping Slavery back in the 1800's are used for keeping Abortion now. One of them was that slaves weren't really people.

Science shows that fetuses have desperate DNA, separate blood systems, and within a month of conception have most of the functioning organs and body parts that a full grown adult has. Of course they are under-developed and need time to grow, but so does a 5-year old. But they are their own being. If murder is murder for a 5-year old, then why is it not murder for a 5 month old fetus? And I assume that you are against the murder of 5 year olds?

I'm just, as many on here deem me, a poor old country boy.

Benefits of voting on election day:

1. No line to wait in.
2. Depending on the size of the ballot, 5 minutes total, in/out.
3. 7 minute drive.
4. Now, I can wait until all the facts that will be in by election day ARE in.
5. When I walk in, I get greeted by name. Still have to show an i.d. though.
6. I can still change my vote depending on the next 2 weeks outcomes.




City living. Country living.

I wave at them too. To get out of the middle of the damn street.

It's ok, Clem stopped on the way home and picked up a "Indians Win the World Series" shirt. Early Rooting!

Oh, in case no one noticed, ObamaCare premiums went up 25 percent!

We Conservatives and Republicans tried to warn you Liberal/Progressives but Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Boondoggle!

Work in progress.

We gotta figure out a way to approve a price cap on meds.

Even lower the prices, if possible. I think some of these majors rulings on situations like EpiPen certainly can help get that ball rolling.

What exactly are the facts that you speak of here?

I will throw one fact out: average testosterone in men has been steadily decreasing for decades, due to a variety of reasons.

That's only one small part of why we are becoming a nation of wimps (and I agree with rocky and others who say that.)

Oh and as I seem to recall, that famous 'feelings over facts' Newt Gingrich line came after he (correctly) said that violent crime in many major cities was increasing, then got into a debate about overall crime rates which he was clearly not ready for. And even then, it's debatable whether slowly decreasing overall crime rates (if that is indeed still happening as of Oct. 2016) is really even something to be proud of-- crime rates are still way too damn high if you ask me.

There was no major ruling on epipen. They were publically shamed and the company lowered the price try to improve public relations. It is still a ripoff price.

We gotta start somewhere, eve.

At the end of the day, if the Feds do what is needed, there will be a massive amount of people crying about the government not respecting business and capitalism.

How do we get price caps without lawsuits and the Supreme Court ruling it unconstitutional?

In this country, business has the final say, not the government. It's an uphill battle.

I agree that price caps need to happen, but doubt it will ever happen due to big pharma being in bed with politicians like Hillary.