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In direct response to diam:

It's everybody damn fault. But when you sit there and try to single out libs, I'll call you out.

Im going to say this as clear as I possibly can.

Harry Reid I do not care for. I don't even pay attention to him.

But for the life of me I have no freaking clue as to why you and other conservatives slam Boehner and Ryan all the time.

Those two were the only ones trying to compromise and "stand up" to Obama. But your party just got hijackedby a group of far right politicians and a far right voting base.

They are spending their time having to deal with all that horse crap from the tea party before they can actually get down to business and help run this country.

Do you understand that?

As far as the mess go we all have to look in the mirror. You will get no argument from me on that.

Its not my party Swish .. i left it 20 years ago ..

At least u asked a question this time .. *L* ..

Just curious .. where did i blame the libs? .. pretty sure i said BOTH PARTIES .. how do u get libs out of that? .. if u don't answer I'll make my ASSumptions next post ..

I used Reid and Boehner cause there two names most recognize .. I could have used the names of about 90% of our congressman's names on either side of the aisle ...

And please tell me when Boehner or Ryan stood up to oBUMa .. was it when Boehner took Ryan off the hook by calling for a vote on the HORRIBLE BUDGET that is another example of how they TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES and NOT US ... this way Ryan didn't get blamed for that JOKE ...

Take a look at that budget Swish .. they got what they wanted including plenty for their lobbyist buddies .. us .. we get to pay more and lose more jobs .. sounds like a plan to me ..

U could substitute about 90% of both dems and repubs ..

Your the one making this about PARTIES ... here's why this INDEPENDANT is voting for Trump ...

I can't stand the direction this country is going in on just about any level ..

- debt is out of control and GETTING WORSE ..

- sieving jobs out of this country .. it has to stop or soon we will have zero manufacturing jobs ..

- illegals drain our system and have no right to be here ... its AGAINST THE LAW ...

- i don't want one more refugee until we can vet them .. i think its stupid to let people in that u know nothing about .. and some want to kill u .. u can blow it off any way u want .. thats MY OPINION .. and a FACT ...

- I want a secure border with a wall to keep illegals and DRUGS out ...

- I want e-verify to actually be USED ..

- entitlements are out of control .. 71% of the 2015 budget was either going towards debt or entitlements ..

- nothing we do makes sense for the AMERICAN PEOPLE anymore ... NOTHING .. I want laws passed that actually help us and not hinder us ..

There's a big part of it ...

I want a job and to be safe and secure ..

If that makes me a racist, homophobe .... I CAN LIVE WITH WHATEVER NAME U WANT TO ATTACH TO IT ...

UNDERSTAND SWISH???? ... that was said sarcastically as u can't hear tone on here .. *L*

Per your request Swish ..

Have you ever heard of the Great Depression Diam....? The Cold War? WWII? The Civil War? The Spanish Flu which was a pandemic?

Yes sir ... not even close to the same as today ..

If you'd like .. go ahead and take a shot at telling me why it was .. u know what .. we'll just cut through the chase here ...

- what was our debt then? ..
- how many refugees did we have entering the country back then?
- how many jobs were we losing OVERSEAS then?

This isn't even close to the same ..

But please go ahead and let me know why it might be the same ..

I'll listen with an open mind to things that make sense ..

WHAT PART OF WHAT I JUST SAID DOESN'T MAKE SENSE?

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to argue that we are in a worse situation than the Great Depression? It's impossible to have a intellectual conversation with someone who believes that type of rhetoric.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152293480726/the-bully-party

The Bully Party

I’ve been trying to figure out what common trait binds Clinton supporters together. As far as I can tell, the most unifying characteristic is a willingness to bully in all its forms.

If you have a Trump sign in your lawn, they will steal it.

If you have a Trump bumper sticker, they will deface your car.

if you speak of Trump at work you could get fired.

On social media, almost every message I get from a Clinton supporter is a bullying type of message. They insult. They try to shame. They label. And obviously they threaten my livelihood.

We know from Project Veritas that Clinton supporters tried to incite violence at Trump rallies. The media downplays it.

We also know Clinton’s side hired paid trolls to bully online. You don’t hear much about that.

Yesterday, by no coincidence, Huffington Post, Salon, and Daily Kos all published similar-sounding hit pieces on me, presumably to lower my influence. (That reason, plus jealousy, are the only reasons writers write about other writers.)

Joe Biden said he wanted to take Trump behind the bleachers and beat him up. No one on Clinton’s side disavowed that call to violence because, I assume, they consider it justified hyperbole.

Team Clinton has succeeded in perpetuating one of the greatest evils I have seen in my lifetime. Her side has branded Trump supporters (40%+ of voters) as Nazis, sexists, homophobes, racists, and a few other fighting words. Their argument is built on confirmation bias and persuasion. But facts don’t matter because facts never matter in politics. What matters is that Clinton’s framing of Trump provides moral cover for any bullying behavior online or in person. No one can be a bad person for opposing Hitler, right?

Some Trump supporters online have suggested that people who intend to vote for Trump should wear their Trump hats on election day. That is a dangerous idea, and I strongly discourage it. There would be riots in the streets because we already know the bullies would attack. But on election day, inviting those attacks is an extra-dangerous idea. Violence is bad on any day, but on election day, Republicans are far more likely to unholster in an effort to protect their voting rights. Things will get wet fast.

Yes, yes, I realize Trump supporters say bad things about Clinton supporters too. I don’t defend the bad apples on either side. I’ll just point out that Trump’s message is about uniting all Americans under one flag. The Clinton message is that some Americans are good people and the other 40% are some form of deplorables, deserving of shame, vandalism, punishing taxation, and violence. She has literally turned Americans on each other. It is hard for me to imagine a worse thing for a presidential candidate to do.

I’ll say that again.

As far as I can tell, the worst thing a presidential candidate can do is turn Americans against each other. Clinton is doing that, intentionally.

Intentionally.

As I often say, I don’t know who has the best policies. I don’t know the best way to fight ISIS and I don’t know how to fix healthcare or trade deals. I don’t know which tax policies are best to lift the economy. I don’t know the best way to handle any of that stuff. (And neither do you.) But I do have a bad reaction to bullies. And I’ve reached my limit.

I hope you have too. Therefore…

I endorse Donald Trump for President of the United States because I oppose bullying in all its forms.

I don’t defend Trump’s personal life. Neither Trump nor Clinton are role models for our children. Let’s call that a tie, at worst.

The bullies are welcome to drown in their own bile while those of us who want a better world do what we’ve been doing for hundreds of years: Work to make it better while others complain about how we’re doing it.

Today I put Trump’s odds of winning in a landslide back to 98%. Remember, I told you a few weeks ago that Trump couldn’t win unless “something changed.”

Something just changed.

Have you seen the national debt since back in the day? It has always grown. We have constantly be in debt, and that number has grown every decade.

Yes, it started getting out of control around mid-2000's, but let's not pretend we never had a massive amount of debt beforehand.

The debt is a problem. The first goal had to be balancing the budget. Obama with the help of Ryan and Boehner made that happen.

Now that the budget has been balanced, then we start making gains into the national debt.

And that's the part where this liberal isn't gonna vote for trump. His economic plan will add 10 trillion dollars to the national debt.

That, all by itself, is a reason to never touch trump with a ten foot pole.

The dumbest article ever.

How can he endorse trump because he opposes bullying, when trump has been a bully all his life, and has turned his crap up a notch since the republican primaries?

This dude is a joke. All his points are flawed, and most of them don't even make sense.

And yet you continue posting from this guy?

I oppose bullying, so I'll endorse the bully. Lmfao

Lol, thank god trump won't win. This guy can go back to doing something he's actually good at. Making comic strips. Cause politics ain't it.

And yet, those first eight or so observations he made are accurate. People can draw their own conclusions based on their own experiences. Clinton supporters don't have to worry about putting a Clinton bumper sticker on their car... just saying.

I'm not trying to argue anything ... just pointing out FACTS ...

Looks like all u want to do is be-little instead of have a convo ...

I answered your question .. courtesy, dictates u answer mine ..

In short .. the FUNDAMENTALS back then were way different ... there was PLENTY OF ROOM FOR GRWOTH and NO DEBT or ENTITLEMENTS to burden us with ..

If u call that RHETORIC ... so be it ..

ACTUALLY, U KNOW WHAT ..

Where is the rhetoric?

- are we not 20 trillion in debt?
- are we not taking in refugees UNLIKE during or after the great depression?
- are we not losing jobs overseas
- how many people did we have on welfare, food stamps, public housing back then?

Thats not what i'd call RHETORIC ... i'd call them THE FACTS ..

Any chance u can answer my questions like i did yours or u just going to be-little me and the FACTS I have brought out ...

Your call ..

Except it's based on anecdotes and isolated incidents.

There cases of liberals going to the same crap. Again, based off anecdotes and isolated incidents.

So to act as if trump supporters are oh so innocent and the only victims is a reach. To act like it's some wide spread epidemic is again, beyond a reach.

I get clowned and talked down to about supporting Clinton.

How come he doesn't write an article about that?

Trump supporters acting like victims. Pure gold.

In response to the previous thread that has already been locked....

I have already voted. Oregon is on a mail-in, no voter booths/polling places. I love it. This past Saturday I woke up early and took my dogs for a long walk in the Columbia Gorge, came home and raked leaves from my front then made lunch, turned on some NCAA football and sat down with my ballot. I dropped it off at the Elections Office on my way home from work yesterday and then opened a beer and watched the Tribe win game one of the WS!

Very civilized. Other states should think about moving in this direction.

What do you think of those recently released videos that showed how Clinton supporters incited violence at Trump rallies? Let me guess... you have already discredited them because the author has been known to selectively edit videos to showcase a point (not realizing that is exactly what mainstream media often does, and what was done with the Billy Bush tapes.)

Also that author lives in California. One point I've driven home on here is we all have our own life experiences and that affects how we view things. He lives in a part of California that is especially pro-Clinton and especially hostile to Trump. Surely that affects his viewpoint on things although I've certainly seen what he is talking about on a lesser scale.

So I've read that America today is worse than it was during the Great Depression and Trump has a 98% chance of winning the election in a landslide. I'm one lizard man conspiracy post away from calling it a day. It's too early for this ish.

ha! I do disagree with Adams's prediction of a 98% Trump landslide. I think he is drastically overestimating his own importance in this election. Most of the rest is solid, though.

I didn't even think the rest of what he said was off. I agreed with parts of it.

You're swinging 0-3 so far on assuming you know what I'm thinking.

You posted those videos, and all of us liberals have condemned those people acting like animals to trump supporters.

At this point, you have to trick yourself into thinking you know anything about me. It's getting pathetic. You should probabaly stop.

And the billy bush tapes? Nobody had to edit anything. Your boy flat out said all of those things.

Honestly, you're falling on death ears. Half the things you are saying don't even add up anymore.

I can't wait for this election cycle to be over with so you can go back to posting actual useful information and thoughtfull comments. You've been stuck in conspiracy theorist land for a while now. Please come back to the surface.

Great Depression facts:

Suicide rate shot up to 18.9 out of 100,000.
Half of the banks in the United States were closed.
25% unemployment rate.
Three-quarters of all workers were on part-time schedules.
9/10 companies cut pay for employees.
The average family income dropped 40%.
Families lost homes.
The mortality rate increased.

I’ll be blunt. You’re insulting those who lived through the Great Depression by putting your era and perceived issues about what they went through. You should be ashamed of yourself quite frankly.

Lol, there are plenty of conspiracy theories out there and I've done my best to avoid them.

Anyway... 13 days remaining.

Anyways,

So trump responded to Joe abides comments about fighting, saying he'd love to fight him.

I'd pay to see that. I wonder who's hip would give out first. You know it's game time if Biden touches trump's hair.

1. I'm a money guy .. know a ton about the national debt and its history ... i study and LEARN from history ...

- its way higher than ever and its not even close .. compare it to pretty much any economic indicator and its WAY HIGHER THAN EVER ... its out of control dude ..

I actually am sad that you think its no biggie and the fact that you think your boys "balanced the budget" ...

- again .. THE FUNDAMENTALS ARE DIFFERENT ... go ahead and take a look at the ENTIRE PICTURE and just don't focus on one piece of it ...

They balanced the budget just like the ACA will allow u to keep your docs and SAVE U MONEY .. how's that working out?

Somethings just don't make sense Swish ... and Saying we've taken care of the budget is just setting yourself up for failure ..

Hillary's economic plan consists of creating a bunch of jobs in the small business sector while at the same time burdening them with REGULATIONS, INCREASED MINIMUM WAGE and HIGHER HEALTH CARE COSTS ...

Hmmm .. sniff test?? .. once again it doesn't smell so good Swish .. I understand money and business and thats not a formula thats going to work ..

I want gov't out of the BUSINESS realm .. if u want them in it .. we just see things differently ..

I didn't even mention the big business side .. pretty much everythng she wants to do will lead to them simply LEAVING OUR COUNTRY ... like all the others before them ...

Why do u think we have two trillion dollars in cash that companies leave parked over seas? .. its cause they DON'T WANT TO PAY TAXES ON IT ...

Your a smart guy ... go google APPLE for me and go look at their corporate set up and then look where they have manufacturing plants and look and see how much cash they have parked overseas ..

They've been AVOIDING PAYING TAXES since the late 80's i believe .. maybe even earlier than that .. i get ALL the HORROR STORIES about this mixed up sometimes ..

Prety sure it was apple that went in front of a congressional committee back in the late 70's or 80's and congress was appalled and grilled Jobs over the fact he was taking american jobs abroad and setting up entities overseas to AVOID PAYING TAXES ..

Go look at history ... want some more companies to go look up? ..

I'm more of a SNIFF TEST guy than I am one that just believes things people tell me ... LOTS OF THIS MAKES NO SENSE ...

All I can say about this election and these candidates is ... HELP!!!!!

OK .. i said things are FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT .. how is that belittling what they went through ...

When did i compare there era to mine? ... SHOW ME ...

Big difference between showing how things are different between then and now and being insensitive to the plight of those living through an horrific time ...

ANY CHANCE YOU'LL ACTUALLY ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS and ADRESS the FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES between then and now?

Suicide rates, Unemployment rates are not ECONOMIC FUNDAMENTALS ... neither is LOSING HOUSES ... wonder what the % of our population will lose their houses starting in about 3 years ... or how many lost them 5 - 10 years ago during the 1ST MORTGAGE fiasco .. one were about to repeat if u haven't been paying attention ..

PS. Save it .. all the things u mentioned are the result of a bad economy .. not the FUNDAMENTAL REASONS for it ..

I said last time if u didn't i would ASSume .... but i'm pretty sure i know why ...

U CAN'T ANSWER THEM CAUSE I'M RIGHT ...

U made fun of Haus's post about how "libs" do things .. yet your doing it right here ...

All you've done is insult me and tell me i'm heartless and that i should be ashamed of myself ... why? .. cause i had the audacity to make a point, back it up with facts and then ask questions ..

What a JACKASS i am huh ....

Its a shame we don't have a better choice as far as "character" goes ... BRUTAL ...

I'm voting for who represents what i want for my country .. not their character ..

40 used the term 'inner city youth'.... "inner city" is the new code for Black.

inner city definition

A general term for impoverished areas of large cities. The inner city is characterized by minimal educational opportunities, high unemployment and crime rates, broken families, and inadequate housing. ( See ghettos.)

If you want to say Black, say Black.

And yet, after all that, you didn't say one thing about Trump's plan that will add 10 trillion to the national deficit.

Not one word. Which is odd seeing as though just a few post ago you made a big deal out of it.

I have a different take on what binds Clinton supporters, I think it's an "anybody but Trump" line of thinking.

Anyone can see he's not a civil person. Anyone can see he attacks anyone that doesn't say nice things about him.

That's kinda not the personality and temperment we need in a president.

I think that a vast majority of voters on both sides are "not the other" voters.

As usual i'm answering your questions .. U DID NOT ANSWER ONE OF MINE ...

OK .. I'll answer your question about Trumps plan ... WITCH BY THE WAY I NEVER SAID A WORD ABOUT ANYWHERE ..

Your doing what i said u did earlier ... SPINNING WHAT I SAY ... i never EVEN MENTIONED TRUMPS PLAN .. again .... please show me WHERE I DID ...

Here's what i like about it ...

I got 50 that says u won't ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ABOUT HILLASRIE'S PLAN and wil destroy my answers about Trumps plan ...

SEE HAUS'S POST about u libs (U called yourself a lib .. if need be ... I'LL GO PULL THE QUOTE ... ) ...

I LIKE THE FACT oops . I like these parts

- he's going to reduce the taxes on the 2 TRILLION corps have stashed off shore so it can be invested here ...

- hes going to NOT LET TPP PASS .... have we not had enough of these "fair" trade deals that ALWAYS costs us jobs

- he's going to unleash the ENERGY we have in this country and QUIT putting DUMB ASS REGULATIONS ON THEM ...

- i love the fact hes GOING TO BUILD A WALL and BRING E-VERIFY IN ... please tell me your not naive enough to think that is just an "immagration" issue .. that touches on EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES ...

- love the fact he wants to reduce corp. tax rate ... ONE STEP IN KEEPING THEM HERE ...

- love the fact hes going to ease the regs and open things up ..

- love the fact hes going to ABOLISH oBUMa care and open up the markets across state lines to BRING COMPETION ... again, this is just not a HEALTH thing .. its killing in our economy in a bunch of ways ..

- he's going to make companies that leave our country pay a tax to send their goods back in ... we need to STOP THE EXODUS ...

There's more ..

YOUR TURN ... for once ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ... TELL ME how what i asked u about her plan is GOING TO WORK ...

I'll be waiting but i wont be holding my breath .. i'm guessing i'll get insulted or asked more questions again ..
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We'll see if FAIR is in your vocabulary

*LOL* ... so this isn't about their POLAR OPPOSITE views on our country its about "character" or "civility" ...

Guess u missed her now FAMOUS line at the Benghazi hearings ...

THERE'S 4 DEAD AMERICANS, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHY THERE DEAD ...

YA, THATS A BAD SUMMARY .. pretty much the just though .. if u want i can go LINK THE VIDEO to that CLASSIC ...

And thats just the tip of the iceberg ..

- she ignored or denied over 600 requests for additional security ...

- there was no one else in Libya ... every country had pulled all their people out .. even the one group that pretty much never leaves anywhere left .. THE RED CROSS LEFT ...

Yet we still had a presences .. and something no one talks about ... WHY WERE WE STILL THERE? .. ITS TOUGH TO ANSWER TRUTHFULLY cause people died .. but it doesn't change the WHY ...

- she LIED to the families of the deceased ... LIED to people about why there children, spouses and brothers died ...

My favorite is when HER STATE DEPT. told Pat Smith (the MOM of one of the deceased) that they could not give her any more info cause she was NOT IMMEDIATE FAMILY .. thats so SAD .. he came out of her .. it doesn't get anymore IMMEDIATE than that ...

And thats just the first bucket of what this WOMEN HAS DONE .. there's about 5 other MAJOR LEAGUE BUCKETS ...

I'm not sure in what world she wins the "character" debate .. but thats not why i'm voting for Trump .

ITS CAUSE I WANT A JOB AND TO BE SAFE AND SECURE ...

It boggles my mind that folks somehow think he's worse than her ..

And he is a JACKASS ... no denying that ..

You know diam, you do bring up some good points.

And had the GOP not have nominated the village idiot who has demeaned and insulted everyone but white men they had an election handed to them on a silver platter. But Americans won't elect the village idiot.

First step to recovery is to acknowledge we need help. Take a good look in the mirror, look what you have become.. Hating is an addiction

Diam, go seek help before you regret it..

Supporting Trump is the lowest of the low, rock bottom.

For all our sakes I hope your wrong Pit .. this country may be done anyhow but if she wins .. SAY GOODNIGHT ...

We'll keep going down this path .. and please don't tell me you think were on the right path bro ..

If u do .. i'll be stunned ..

I'd guess you are correct.

There are a base of hard core supporters of both candidates, but when it comes down to it, the ones that I think will decide this election are the ones holding there noses as they pick a candidate.

I think I fit that description

10 trillion dollars.

If you're cool with that, Then ok.

You seem to be okay with the last $10 trillion.

So, Latino's and White youth do not live in inner cities?

You know so much about terms and labels, tell me, what do they call a White Uncle Tom?

I know there is such a thing. A White person who is so ashamed of his own skin color that he finds Racism under every rock. He constantly sides against anything white.
He constantly says anti white racist things because he is white and can get away with it.
He is much like a traitor to his own race in words and deeds.

What is the term for that?

I'm not at all. Nor have I ever implied I was.

Circumstances. Obama did what was needed to stop the bleeding.

However you feel about what Obama did or didn't do, at the end of the day, I have zero reason to vote for a guy who is gonna willingly add 10 trillion to the deficit.

People like to complain about how slow we are recovering. So the answer to slow progress from a massive recession is another recession and 10 trillion dollars?

Nah. Clinton 2016.

I really don't believe we're on the right path. My problem is I don't believe anyone running for president will put us on the right path.

I don't believe either of the candidates are worthy of voting for. Neither hold the moral or ethical standard that I require to earn my vote.

In my eyes it's the village idiot who attacks everyone who goes against him, every race and gender except white males and would be an embarrassment to our nation, verses an unscrupulous woman without limitations and without a moral compass. There's no winner here.

IMO, and yes it's only my opinion, Trump is a carnival barker and a con man that is no better to honor his word or lead our nation than Hillary is. Now from what I gather I believe you disagree with that, but from everything I've studied on the man, this is my conclusion.

So it is my belief that our nation will suffer no matter who wins and we will all pay the price. If Trump is elected I predict the stock market will tank immediately and it will be a huge negative for most every American.