9 days away from the election. I personally think that both sides have held back their "big stuff" and we're going to see it soon, maybe even tomorrow.
So my point is about the women who are voting for Clinton over trump. And there's a host of reasons for that.
There are a host of reasons to vote for Trump over Clinton, too. She would be the absolute LAST person I would vote for in this election. But, regardless of my opinion, I'll let you get back to pigeonholing women into groups, thinking we are all shallow idiots that only care about a few lewd comments made by a guy in a locker room.
In swish's defense, no one on earth doesn't think that Trump didn't act on those comments, and even though his alleged objects of groping let him just because he was a star that doesn't make him as a president any more agreeable.
That's fine, but your comments have nothing to do with mine really. To your point though, no, NEITHER one of these bozo's is MORE agreeable as a President based on their PERSONAL histories.
I'm not doing that, and I certainly don't think women are idiots.
I haven't remotely implied that. And everything I've ever posted has been about empowering women.
But if that's how you choose to view me then it's whatever. I could care less. I've been viewed and called worse around here.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Swish...have you heard of the book "Palestine" by Joe Sacco? He is a comic artist/journalist who went to Israel, the Gaza Strip, West Bank etc. and he interviewed everybody from the street to the higher ups, police, troops etc. both sides of the story and then he illustrated it as a graphic novel. It is awesome. He also did one in Bosnia. I think you would dig it.
Nah but that sounds like a good read. I'll check it out.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Why doesn't it concern anyone that Hillary sold uranium to Russia merely to fatten her wallet through donations to the Clinton Foundation?
This has been proven, y'know?
A candidate for president sold a nuclear bomb making ingredient to the only people that are as good at making nuclear bombs as we are.
Anyone care to share their thoughts on this?
Selling uranium...I am not going to make excuses for that. But, to answer your specific question...
Russia already knows how to build bombs and they already own a ton of them. If they want to build more they can and will without our help.
India, France, Pakistan, Great Britain, Israel, China and N. Korea also have weapons and know how to build them. Look at that list.....N. Korea and Pakistan are the biggest worry of all of them. Pakistan arguably being the most worrying as the Govt. is suspect in their support of America, potentially untrustworthy and they have many warring tribal areas who sympathize with the terrorists.
Nah but that sounds like a good read. I'll check it out.
Definitely do so. It is excellent. I believe he may have one on Iraq too, or maybe he is working on one?
He did an incredible 25 foot illustration of the first day of the Battle of the Somme from morning to morning and all the hellish details in between. I think he is a brilliant artist and story teller. And, he is a local Portlander!
Well, you did kind of pigeonhole women, but it's not worth the discussion and bickering. And, perhaps "idiots" was too strong of a word, but implying we all have group think is saying the same thing for the most part.
Anyway, I'm not sure where you are getting your polling from that says the majority of women will vote Hillary, but my guess is it's coming out of big cities. I think you would be hard-pressed in the more rural areas of Ohio (for example) to find many women voting for Hillary.
What *I* fear is there will be a large group of women voting for her JUST because she'll be the first female President, not because they actually think she's the best man for the job. It won't matter much in the end since I think she will win this election, but voting for dumb reasons like that is a huge pet peeve of mine.
I do want to say that I don't think you derailed the thread by pointing out the system in the U.K.
It's an important discussion. I think those systems end up being a necessary evil sometimes.
The NSA situation is still a big deal.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Why doesn't it concern anyone that Hillary sold uranium to Russia merely to fatten her wallet through donations to the Clinton Foundation?
This has been proven, y'know?
A candidate for president sold a nuclear bomb making ingredient to the only people that are as good at making nuclear bombs as we are.
Anyone care to share their thoughts on this?
Selling uranium...I am not going to make excuses for that. But, to answer your specific question...
Russia already knows how to build bombs and they already own a ton of them. If they want to build more they can and will without our help.
India, France, Pakistan, Great Britain, Israel, China and N. Korea also have weapons and know how to build them. Look at that list.....N. Korea and Pakistan are the biggest worry of all of them. Pakistan arguably being the most worrying as the Govt. is suspect in their support of America, potentially untrustworthy and they have many warring tribal areas who sympathize with the terrorists.
Her state department signed off on giving 20% of the uranium mined in the United States to Russia for donations to the Clinton foundation.
That's excusable enough to you to vote for her?
wow
WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM my two cents...
I make clear I say the majority. That's not all. If I said all, then you would have a point. But that isn't the case.
Anyway, I get my info from past elections and current polling. I'm only going off what women are saying.
So while I get where you're coming from, the reality is that your current beef should be with other women, not me. I don't come up with reasons why women vote for trump.
As I said before. I'm not a woman. So my comments come from other women stating their reasoning.
Just for an example so you understand what I'm saying : I'm not white. So I don't pretend to know what white people think or what it's like to be white on a daily basis. Only what they express in public.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Her state department signed off on giving 20% of the uranium mined in the United States to Russia for donations to the Clinton foundation.
That's excusable enough to you to vote for her?
wow
I didn't say that it was excusable. Most of what I have seen are soundbytes or yahoo style bylines from their junk press. So, I don't know all the details and would want to know more before I react on emotions. I will research it more and share my thoughts with you if you so wish.
But, I definitely didn't give her a pass or make excuses.
Again, this also goes to proving that given her flaws the GOP really should own this election, however, they chose to nominate an idiot who has enflamed and insulted many and now it is touch and go.
I can't see how Trump wins but, I don't feel as confident about HRC winning as Swish does. However, Swish boldly and confidently correctly predicted Brexit and I totally misgauged it. So, I am seriously hoping Mr. Swish goes 2/2!
When I go 2/2 I'm opening up my own phone line like Ms. Cleo.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Has America become so numb by the decades of lies and cynicism oozing from Clinton Inc. that it could elect Hillary Clinton as president, even after Friday's FBI announcement that it had reopened an investigation of her emails while secretary of state?
We'll find out soon enough.
It's obvious the American political system is breaking down. It's been crumbling for some time now, and the establishment elite know it and they're properly frightened. Donald Trump, the vulgarian at their gates, is a symptom, not a cause. Hillary Clinton and husband Bill are both cause and effect.
FBI director James Comey's announcement about the renewed Clinton email investigation is the bombshell in the presidential campaign. That he announced this so close to Election Day should tell every thinking person that what the FBI is looking at is extremely serious.
This can't be about pervert Anthony Weiner and his reported desire for a teenage girl. But it can be about the laptop of Weiner's wife, Clinton aide Huma Abedin, and emails between her and Hillary. It comes after the FBI investigation in which Comey concluded Clinton had lied and been "reckless" with national secrets, but said he could not recommend prosecution.
So what should the Democrats do now?
If ruling Democrats hold themselves to the high moral standards they impose on the people they govern, they would follow a simple process:
They would demand that Mrs. Clinton step down, immediately, and let her vice presidential nominee, Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, stand in her place.
Democrats should say, honestly, that with a new criminal investigation going on into events around her home-brew email server from the time she was secretary of state, having Clinton anywhere near the White House is just not a good idea.
Since Oct. 7, WikiLeaks has released 35,000 emails hacked from Clinton campaign boss John Podesta. Now WikiLeaks, no longer a neutral player but an active anti-Clinton agency, plans to release another 15,000 emails.
What if she is elected? Think of a nation suffering a bad economy and continuing chaos in the Middle East, and now also facing a criminal investigation of a president. Add to that congressional investigations and a public vision of Clinton as a Nixonian figure wandering the halls, wringing her hands.
The best thing would be for Democrats to ask her to step down now. It would be the most responsible thing to do, if the nation were more important to them than power. And the American news media — fairly or not firmly identified in the public mind as Mrs. Clinton's political action committee — should begin demanding it.
But what will Hillary do?
She'll stick and ride this out and turn her anger toward Comey. For Hillary and Bill Clinton, it has always been about power, about the Clinton Restoration and protecting fortunes already made by selling nothing but political influence.
She'll remind the nation that she's a woman and that Donald Trump said terrible things about women. If there is another notorious Trump video to be leaked, the Clintons should probably leak it now. Then her allies in media can talk about misogyny and sexual politics and the headlines can be all about Trump as the boor he is and Hillary as champion of female victims, which she has never been.
Remember that Bill Clinton leveraged the "Year of the Woman." Then he preyed on women in the White House and Hillary protected him. But the political left — most particularly the women of the left — defended him because he promised to protect abortion rights and their other agendas.
If you take a step back from tribal politics, you'll see that Mrs. Clinton has clearly disqualified herself from ever coming near classified information again. If she were a young person straight out of grad school hoping to land a government job, Hillary Clinton would be laughed out of Washington with her record. She'd never be hired.
As secretary of state she kept classified documents on the home-brew server in her basement, which is against the law. She lied about it to the American people. She couldn't remember details dozens of times when questioned by the FBI. Her aides destroyed evidence by BleachBit and hammers. Her husband, Bill, met secretly on an airport tarmac with Attorney General Loretta Lynch for about a half-hour, and all they said they talked about was golf and the grandkids.
And there was no prosecution of Hillary.
That isn't merely wrong and unethical. It is poisonous.
And during this presidential campaign, Americans were confronted with a two-tiered system of federal justice: one for standards for the Clintons and one for the peasants.
I've always figured that, as secretary of state, Clinton kept her home-brew email server — from which foreign intelligence agencies could hack top secret information — so she could shield the influence peddling that helped make the Clintons several fortunes.
The Clintons weren't skilled merchants. They weren't traders or manufacturers. The Clintons never produced anything tangible. They had no science, patents or devices to make them millions upon millions of dollars.
All they had to sell, really, was influence. And they used our federal government to leverage it.
If a presidential election is as much about the people as it is about the candidates, then we'll learn plenty about ourselves in the coming days, won't we?
So even Trumps staff gotta call their own people deplorable.
Guess Clinton wasn't off base after all.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
So even Trumps staff gotta call their own people deplorable.
Guess Clinton wasn't off base after all.
It's a matter of numbers and prevalence. Calling half of Trump supporters (i.e. tens of millions of Americans) 'deplorable' is laughably wrong, no matter what your definition of wrong is.
There are some real deplorables out there though. I've no issue with calling them as I see it.
So I wonder how many tens of millions of trump supporters called obama a Muslim and not an American citizen?
That's pretty deplorable.
You keep refusing to discuss that.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
So I wonder how many tens of millions of trump supporters called obama a Muslim and not an American citizen?
That's pretty deplorable.
You keep refusing to discuss that.
Oh brother. That's discussed on here a dozen times, at least. Do you specifically want my opinion on every single issue? I think what I said about that is it's something I didn't follow all that closely, I can't even follow every single side-issue and side-drama in this election and I have followed this one more closely than I did the 2008 election. In other words, it would be better to let others comment on that.
Deplorable... I have a feeling we're going to see some true deplorable stuff come out the next few days. Keep an open mind, Swish.
Why not? You seem to have an opinion on every other topic.
But the moment I bring this up, you deflect, over and over again.
At this point your silence on the topic actually says a lot. It's all good. Go Browns.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Mainstream media says Trump fans are hurting their feelings Todd Starnes
The Mainstream Media says Donald Trump and his supporters have hurt their feelings.
CNN's Wolf Blizter unloaded on Kellyanne Conway, Trump's campaign manager -- demanding that they stop heckling journalists.
"He shouldn't be doing that," Blitzer said on CNN. "I mean, can you talk to him? And say to him, 'Mr. Trump, we only have a few days left, and these are hardworking young journalists, they deserve to have some security,' if you will, because of some of those Trump supporters out there, they get pretty nasty with what they're screaming at these young people."
Blitzer actually told her that some of the reporters are scared.
Well, boo-hoo and bless their hearts (as we say back in the South).
A giant pile of manure was dumped outside the Warren County Democratic headquarters. A massive pile of manure was dumped on the doorstep of the Warren County Democrats in Ohio - and police are searching for the culprit.
It sounds like one of those shovel-ready jobs President Obama is always talking about.
A giant pile of manure was dumped outside the Warren County Democratic headquarters. A massive pile of manure was dumped on the doorstep of the Warren County Democrats in Ohio - and police are searching for the culprit.
It sounds like one of those shovel-ready jobs President Obama is always talking about.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It won't matter much in the end since I think she will win this election, but voting for dumb reasons like that is a huge pet peeve of mine.
