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J/C .... I think that our most valuable player thus far has been Pryor.

couple of questions Mac.

First. Is it the Fo's fault the O-line was crippled with injuries?
They drafted two O-line men, and brought in a couple more...no priority? sorry don't think that is an accurate statement...more of a personal opinion rather than fact.

a complete rebuild and what? 23 guys on IR. that should factor into it in my opinion.
people were complaining not stop about not drafting WR's so they went an addressed that hands down. the newly drafted WR's are not the starters so of course they don't have the catch numbers those others guys have that you mentioned.

DB's should be addressed this coming offseason and draft.

sorry brother not trying to bash you. you are entitled to feel however you want...just wanted to speak on how I see things currently.

Hue Jackson: Browns considered Dak Prescott before drafting Cody Kessler

Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz are inextricably linked to the Browns

by Ryan Wilson
@ryanwilson_07
16h ago

As has been the case almost every year since the Browns returned to the NFL in 1999, the team headed into the past offseason with huge questions at quarterback.

Ultimately, Cleveland traded out of the No. 2 overall pick in the draft, and in the process passed on the chance to land Carson Wentz. They also said thanks but no thanks to Dak Prescott, who eventually went to Dallas in the fourth round. Instead, the Browns selected Cody Kessler in Round 3.

And while Kessler, who wasn't expected to play this season but was forced into the starting lineup because of injuries, has shown glimpses of potential, as long as Wentz and Prescott play at a high level, they will be inextricably linked to Cleveland and what could have been.

In September, days after Wentz led the Eagles to a convincing season-opening win over the Browns, coach Hue Jackson said the team wasn't second-guessing itself after passing on the North Dakota State star.

"We didn't draft Carson Wentz because we didn't think it was the right fit for our team at this time," Jackson told Mike Florio on PFT Live before the game.

With the Cowboys on the schedule this week, Jackson is answering questions about Prescott, who has been one of the league's best quarterbacks. In fact, through the first two months of the season, Prescott ranks No. 3 in Football Outsiders' QB metric, behind only Matt Ryan and Drew Brees.

"We liked [Prescott in the draft]," Jackson said, via Cleveland.com's Mary Kay Cabot. "Obviously, he's shown to be really good. He was definitely a guy that was in consideration, but obviously we have the guy that we took and they have the guy that they took. Everybody has the right guy for them, and he fits for them."

That's debatable. Of course, who knows what kind of shape Prescott would be in playing behind Cleveland's offensive line. That unit ranks 23rd in pass protection while the Cowboys' O-line ranks seventh. Either way, Jackson isn't blind to the fact that Prescott has been fantastic.

"Oh my God, he's playing extremely well," Jackson said. "He's a young ascending player, plays with a lot of poise, runs their offense extremely well. ... Obviously, Tony Romo is not playing so they found the right guy for their offense and fits what they do, and he has done it extremely well."

Prescott came into the league with some off-field baggage -- specifically, he had a pre-draft DUI arrest which no doubt played a role in him lasting until the fourth round. Did those concerns care off the Browns, who were still trying to figure out what to do with Johnny Manziel?

"None of that matters right now," Jackson said. "He's at Dallas, and we have the guy that we drafted so I do not want to go beyond that."

Kessler, who missed last week because of a concussion, appears poised to start Sunday against the Cowboys. He has yet to win a game in five starts but is completing 67 percent of his passes with four touchdowns and just one interception.

"Cody did a great job when he was out there," veteran left tackle Joe Thomas said, via Cleveland.com. "He surpassed everyone's expectations. Plus, you have to factor in the realization that he's a rookie and we're 0-8 right now. The chances of us making the playoffs are not the highest so you're trying to assess what we have on the roster for the offseason and we want to find more out about Cody."
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who knows how dak would look here, but I would like to see him on our side haha.

The thing with the Kessler pick was WHEN he was picked ... just seemed SO early. Now, Kessler has done pretty well for himself, but we probably selected him 3-4 rounds too early (as we did with Devalve and Loius)

I think maybe a round to early. No way should he last until rd. 6 or rd. 7. He's playing way better than a 3rd rd. now, so just maybe Hue knows whats he's doing.

ABOUT FREAKING TIME..the media took notice of the boneheaded move the Harvard Boys made concerning Dak Prescott.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I do not trust this front office's ability to pick a QB in the next draft. They were staring at the two best QBs in draft and by their judgement, they thought Wentz would not be a top 20 QB and they gave Prescott little if any consideration. ...and for those who want to point to Prescott's DUI CHARGE...he was found NOT GUILTY...Prescott does not have a DUI on his record. Our Harvard lawyer running the front office should have researched Prescott's case instead of reading newspaper stories.

...the Harvard analytics crew BLEW IT!...TWICE!


Cowboys' Dak Prescott another example of Browns analytics gone awry


1:39 AM ET
Tony Grossi
ESPN Cleveland

Editor's note: Tony Grossi covers the Cleveland Browns for ESPN 850 WKNR.

Not another one: It’s not accurate to say that Hue Jackson is getting a free pass as coach of the Browns this year.

The man is suffering through a bad season heading to historically bad.

Whatever pressures might be applied by external forces – whether they be inside or outside team headquarters -- they could not exceed the internal strife Jackson must be enduring.

Eight losses in a row. Relentless injuries forcing unexpected lineup changes. A methodical gutting of the roster forcing in rookies at several key positions.

And the repeated reminders of miscalculations at Jackson’s area of expertise – the quarterback position.

Whether or not Jackson has been responsible for every decision regarding his quarterbacks this year, the fact is the quarterback position has personified the Browns’ miserable season.

The Robert Griffin experiment blew up almost instantaneously.

The Carson Wentz trade went belly-up in Game 1.

Josh McCown has played true to form – big numbers, zero wins and more injuries.

The Cody Kessler surprise pick has exceeded expectations -- unless you expected one measly win in his first five starts.

And now comes Big D from Big D -- Dallas Cowboys rookie quarterback Dak Prescott, who was taken 42 picks after Kessler, riding into FirstEnergy Stadium with a 6-1 record in place of chronically injured Jerry Jones-favorite Tony Romo.

So the Browns took Griffin and passed on Wentz, who is 4-3 with a pedestrian Philadelphia Eagles roster, and then compounded their quarterback quandary by selecting Kessler ahead of Prescott, who is bigger and stronger and is 6-1 with about the same team that went 1-11 without Romo last year.

“We have the guy that we took and they have the guy that they took. I think everybody has the right guy for them, and he fits for them,” Jackson said.

How did they miss him?: At Mississippi State, Prescott was an inconsistent thrower, whereas Kessler’s accuracy was cited by Jackson as his greatest attribute.

Off the field, Prescott made the academic honor roll three times and earned a master’s degree. But a DUI arrest in March was a game-changer with an organization punch-drunk from two years of Johnny Manziel histrionics.

The Cowboys’ meticulous background checks, however, concluded that DUI incident was out of character for Prescott.

The Browns weren’t alone, of course, in downgrading Prescott as a quarterback.

“He’s making everyone look bad,” said CBSSports.com draft analyst Dane Brugler.

“I really don’t think we missed on his film, because based on what he put together there was a lot to like. But he just wasn’t a consistent passer from an accuracy standpoint. Then he goes to the Cowboys and it’s amazing how much his ball placement has improved.

“We knew he had the poise, the leadership, the big arm, the size, mobility. He was so productive in a big time conference. But you watch tape against LSU and Alabama last year and he really struggled, throwing 50 percent completions and ball placement making a chore for his receivers to complete passes.”

In truth, the Cowboys wanted Wentz and then Connor Cook of Michigan State ahead of Prescott. Like the Cowboys, Brugler projected Prescott in the fourth round, grading him “a solid backup capable of spot starts.”

“[Now] he looks like a legitimate NFL starting quarterback,” Brugler said. “If there was a re-draft tomorrow, there’s a strong conversation about who’s the first quarterback drafted – Carson Wentz or Dak Prescott.”

And, of course, the Browns could have had either – or both.

Fix the problem: When Browns owner Jimmy Haslam blew up his last football regime and radically reshaped his organization based entirely on deep analytics, he talked of the wondrous “systems” and “processes” that men such as Sashi Brown, Paul DePodesta and Ken Kovash – a former Cowboys analytics geek-turned-Browns player personnel vice president -- brought to the effort.

All three were educated at Harvard University – but none had a pigskin diploma. Jackson was the only one truly possessing football and quarterback expertise.

Yet this “collaborative effort” was expected – no, counted on – to fix the eternal quarterback problem that has vexed the Browns through numerous regimes since 1999.

The common reaction among the Browns’ faithful is that neither Wentz nor Prescott would be this good playing behind the Browns’ porous offensive line. That either, if not both, probably would be ambulatory by now, no more a winner than Kessler.

“He is playing with a tremendous supporting cast,” Jackson said, “arguably one of the best offensive lines in all of pro football, one of the best receivers in all of pro football and one of the best tight ends in all of pro football. I am not saying that is just what it is. It is a combination of all of those things that have made him execute at a high level. He is getting great coaching. Obviously, they have created the right environment for him so I think when you factor all those things in, you have a chance to have success.

“I think that is what he is doing. He is taking advantage of the opportunity.”

That’s fair. But if the Browns’ hierarchy is buying into that, then we are in for many more years of losing.

The “systems” and “processes” that produced this current Browns quarterback situation over Wentz and/or Prescott are terribly out of whack.

Fixing them has to be the organization’s immediate No. 1 priority.
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I meant at the time he was drafted nobody was going to touch him for 3-4 rounds. The value wasn't there. However, yes, right now in retrospect he would be had for a 3/4 rounder.

Heck, in retrospect, Dak woulda been taken #1 overall

I think that is what he is doing. He is taking advantage of the opportunity.”

That’s fair. But if the Browns’ hierarchy is buying into that, then we are in for many more years of losing.

The “systems” and “processes” that produced this current Browns quarterback situation over Wentz and/or Prescott are terribly out of whack.

Fixing them has to be the organization’s immediate No. 1 priority.

I don't believe this. Every Team including ours passed on Dak several times. I can't can't blame them with Johnny M going off the deep end and partying like crazy. The last thing we would want is another QB who just got caught drinking. Yeah that would have been real smart. So no, I don't fault the Browns for passing on him. As far as Wentz goes, there was somethings about him that looked like he might need a yr. or two, still could be that way. It looks like he's coming back to earth. Dak could also come crashing down. Let the FO do their job and lets see how the next couple of years pans out.

OMG ..... a FO missed on a QB PICK ...

That never happens ...

Mac - I do not think this FO has a shot to suceed ... ZERO ...

But WTF man .. your a black eye to those of us that don't want to make a MOUNTAIN out of every MOLEHILL ...

And before i finish my post .. the other BS side comes up ...

JM had RED FLAGS all over the place .. ALL OVER THE PLACE ...

His entire college career OFF THE FIELD was a RED FLAG ... everything he did PRE-DRAFT was a RED FLAG ...

Someone in our org. IGNORED all the RED FLAGS OFF the field .. see our THIEVING OWNER!!

On the field .. he just didn't have the SKILL SET to translate to the NFL ..

Him and DAK had pretty much NOTHING IN COMMON ... NOTHING ...

Dak's BIGGER, STRONGER and has a MUCH MUCH BETTER ARM ...

Just like Mac is full of crap .. SO IS THIS!!!!!

Only at times... Not in the first half of the Jets game. If we played like that all the time, we'd be considered a B or C I bet. Our problem isn't that we can't play, it's that we can't play consistently good...

So, going forward, it seems Horton is getting some well deserved attention for the bonehead way we seem to be losing in second half. Think it is overdue to visit the way he seems to repeat ineffective defense; I grant talent level as an issue. But the philosophy is suspect and little has been corrected or made to improve.

Not are all this is Harvard boys caused. But are they essentially beyond any evaluation or correction. Will analytics assess itself or sort out some of the misses we are seeing?
Because it can't be fixable at this point. I had hope that some swell coaching might help our cause more than it seems. We are greener than I care to be; not sure how this new FO framework will grade itself, but the metric should not give them a pass for all these issues without a hard look and deserved scrutiny. JMO

Don't know what your going on about, I did not say Johnny and Dak had the same traits. I said I understood why the FO steered away from Dak. Doesn't really matter as far as what they thought about Dak as a QB. The fact that he got caught drinking and driving was reason enough. If you don't want to believe that then I don't know what to tell you.

I didn't say u were WRONG ... i said it was BS ... cause it was ...

If this FO is only going to bring in CHOIR BOYS based off our past FO (OUR THIEVING OWNER) IGNORING major red flags on a bunch of levels .. WERE DOOMED ...

Based off the rest of the draft and the fact we brought in almost exclusively smart, hard working not very atheletic guys ... I'd say your DEAD NUTS ON in your reasoning ..

I'm one of the few that said I thought Cody was a decent pick ... i could see the pick ... one of the main reasons i said that is he's a SMART QB that works hard ...

I'm fine with getting a VERY GOOD BACK UP in the 3rd round .. obviously u need a VERY GOOD BACK UP in the NFL ..

Thats a good question .. i wonder how many back ups have played/started this year .. lets see ...

2 - 4 in our division have had back ups (multiple in our case .. *L*) start games ...
2 - 4 in the AFC east .. Garrapola got hurt and Fitz got benched and got his job back due to Geno going down ..
2 - 4 in AFC west ...Lynch started a game in denver and Smith missed 1/2 of last weeks game due to injury ..
0 - 4 in AFC south ..

Don't feel like going through the NFC .. were half way through the year and 6 of 16 AFC teams have had to use there back ups ...

Then if u want ad in the fact we've started 3 guys and played 5 ... the number gets even larger ...

BACK UPS ARE HUGE in today's NFL ...

Mac, what are your thoughts about Corey Coleman, Carl Nassib, Emmanuel Ogbah, trading a punter for a 4th rounder, having two #1s, two #2, two #3 in 2017?

The judgement in those cases doesn't seem poor at all. In fact, considering it's clear that this FO is going to build through the draft (although not exclusively considering the Jamie Collins deal) seeing progress from early picks in their first year has been very encouraging. Why don't you ever point out these things and focus on WRs drafted in later rounds and Dak? There is more to it than that.

Sorry, but I think Dak is a mute point. I don't recall anyone pimping him, not one. It was all about Wentz, Goff, Lynch.

Lots of good football takes going down in this thread. I would love to throw in my own views and opinions as well, hopefully some food for thought.

The first thing I want to touch on is that the "this is their first year" holds no weight. If this were a normal first year with one offseason and one years draft picks then that would be a legitimate arguement. The thing is, just like it was for Holmgren and Heckert, this FO attempted to speed up the process with the draft and have two full years worth of draft picks to account for. They, IMO should be judged based off that metric and that this is a compressed 2 years worth of "rebuild."

To fairly judge that we have to take a look at what they inherited verses how the team currently stacks up. The team they took over of course was a season removed from 7-9 with average QB play and fell off the previous year mainly do to the Johnny Football distractions. Not good, not terrible but with some definite potential to build off of and create wins and a turn around. In fact, lets do a side by side comparison.

What they inherited-

Strengths-
LT
C
RT
WR2
Slot WR
CB1
FS
NT
K

Solid, not a liability-
LG
RB
OLB2
ILB1
DE1
SS

Immediate needs-
QB
#1 WR
RG
CB2
OLB1
DE1

The Browns that the Harvard Lawyers inherited had a coaching problem and a problem with having those elite pieces needed to take those steps. In truth, the Browns situation was pretty average for most teams that have a coaching change. A far cry from bare cupboards in need of a rebuild. The question is, with the equivalent of year two of a rebuild are they any better? Do they have those pieces they needed? Lets look...

Strengths-
LT(Inherited)
WR2(Inherited)
OLB1

Not a liability-
RT
OLB2
NT(Inherited)
DE2
CB1(Inherited)
RB(Inherited)
K

Liabilities-
QB
LG
C
RG
#1 WR
Slot WR
ILB1
ILB2
SS
FS
CB2
DE1

So to break that down a bit more... The roster they inherited lacked elite playmakers. It had some solid veterans and many strengths, it just did not yet have those finish pieces needed to take that next step. Nothing a solid offseason followed by the draft and some trades couldn't easily fix.

The roster they are closing out on is worse than when they arrived. Thanks to not knowing how NFL free agency works they let most of the cornerstone players walk, they didn't sign ANY upgrades or replacements and out of two years worth of draft volume they upgraded zero positions and had a wash on two positions. Out of 14 draft picks. Two years worth of draft volume. They traded away drafting the most important position in football, franchise QB, because the baseball guys computer program ran some numbers and said the franchise QB available to them wasn't worth drafting. Boy did the computer ever get that one wrong!

So the big issue is the team is 0-8 careening towards 0-16, has LESS talent than it had at this time last year and out of 14 draft picks produced zero marquee players, two solid but not great foundational players and 12 mediocre to scrubs level players. Free agency produced zilch because the Lawyer and baseball guy had no idea how to work FA and the best players they have they either inherited or had to trade draft picks to the Patriots for.

It doesn't look good for the Browns at all. They are getting worse, not better and if you keep theae guys around by this time next year they will have had the equivalent of FOUR YEARS worth of draft volume plus two full offseasons. Does anyone really believe the Browns, starting at 1-15 this year if they are lucky win more than 3-4 games next year?

The answer is no, not with this front office. Mac may not want to say it but I will, DePodesta and Sashi need to be fired. They are making the Browns worse and digging us into a Detroit Lions level hole. Bring in an actual GM and let he and Hue pick players together or hire an actual football person to do the hiring and let HIM build the F.O. and coaching staff.

Enough of this Randy Lerner and Jimmy Haslam stupidity of buying lists of "great candidates" from consulting firms and hiring whatever names at the top, it hasn't ever worked. Go learn what the winning teams do, or what Art Modell used to do that caused him to hit on Rutigliano, Schotty and Belichek. It sure as heck wasn't from hiring baseball picks and hiring based off of a consultants list!

The Cowboys liked Dak so much that they waited till the fourth round and had Connor Cook rated higher.

I'm not following your argument.

Lots of teams missed on Dak multiple times. The DUI may have been an aberration, but it still showed poor judgment as far as the timing of it. He should have known he was under the microscope.

He also showed spotty accuracy in college which hasn't shown up yet in the pros. If he keeps it up, good for him. People do get better after finishing their college careers. Some revert after showing flashes.

Being in the right place at the right time also helps.

Nice post...I'll breakdown my response, due to it's length, in portions:



Sorry, but his doesn't make any sense to me. They accumulated draft picks because the more picks you have, the better % you have of finding guys that will fit. Most of those picks were later round selections so I don't know how this was an attempt to "speed up the rebuild". If anything that argument holds more water for next year when the Browns have 6 picks in the first three rounds...but then again THAT isn't speeding anything up because they didn't do it right off the bat in 2016. You don't compress 2 years of a rebuild with nine picks in the fourth round or later....you just don't. What you may do is find guys that fit, perhaps as starters but most likely as depth.



Agree with most of this....I'd remove K, Slot WR, and WR2 (if you mean Hartline) but add LG (Bitonio when he was healthy) .



I think there was a huge issue with the coaching staff and the FO on several levels. I think we paid veterans too much money that weren't earning it (Kruger, Whitner, Bowe specifically) which is why they are not here. We had a disgruntled FS that didn't like how he was treated and allegedly wanted out, Alex Mack, allegedly, was gone no matter what, we had a team president that wanted more of a role with personnel, etc.... I don't think the Browns situation was average by any means. There are so many reasons why the Browns hit the "reset" button and I think it was across the entire organization, not just personnel. I blame that culture, or lack of trying to create one, on Jimmy Haslem.



Disagree and don't understand the justification for saying this. Signing FA has never proven to change anything with this team (again, see Whitner/Kruger/Bowe & Des Bryant to a lesser extent) and I wouldn't rely on drafted players to immediately make a drastic impact in terms of wins, although it has happened (QBs). The team was bad because of several factors..... but mainly poor allocation of money to FA and early picks not providing the ROI. Easy fix? No way, now how....for anyone.



And this is where your bias begins to set in...."a lawyer and a baseball guy" comment and I believe this is normally said by posters when they don't understand what they are trying to do-- but I wish people would just say that..."I don't understand their plan". To me, I think it's quite evident what their plan is but it will rely heavily on nailing draft picks, but that's synonymous with any FO unless your Miami. Look, I don't know how this FO is going to work out, but I'm liking some of the early result from our early picks. Yes this team has less talent, they essentially gutted the entire roster and started over. The youth on this team is mind-boggling. Free agency also produces zilch for other teams too, like the Steelers, yet they seem to do well annually....do you know why? I don't know if the FO "knows how to work FA" (and I'm not really sure what even means)...but my guess is they saw no point utilizing it in any significant way since they committed to rebuilding through the draft.....that makes sense to me. Now, they just need to hit on their picks, particularly the early ones over the next few years. That builds the foundation and allows (or justifies) increased spending in FA if you only need a few more pieces. This team clearly needs a whole bunch more. Why waste big money on a FA when your team is going to be bad early on after gutting it for the reasons above?....that makes no sense.



Have you seen our track record with GMs so far picking players or allowing coaches to get people they want? It's been HORRIBLE, except for Heckert.

Mangini picking players? NO
Joe Banner picking players? NO
Butch Davis picking players? NO
Hue wanting Kessler? Undetermined.

I'm not saying this FO is the answer because we now have a lawyer and a baseball guy instead of a GM (and I like a traditional GM/scout system for the record that goes as far as removing the coach's influence), but that justification, again, doesn't warrant firing people nine games into the season. Especially when it was quite evident we were going to a tear down/rebuild.

mac,

There was NO WAY the Browns were taking a QB who was recently arrested for DUI on the heals of the JFF debacle.

It's not hard to understand.

If Dak was so great why did Dallas wait till the 4th round?

Why did they try to trade for Lynch?

Why did they try to trade for Cook?

So what? A lot of teams passed on Dak. Does that make them all stupid, too?
Wentz isn't a slam-dunk HoF QB either.

Saying that the Cowboys took the second best (or best) QB in the draft in the 4th and they are geniuses for doing so - and that we don't know how far Dak would have fallen without the Cowboys selecting him there seems to be an argument AGAINST how smart the Cowboys were.

[1] If Dak was/is that good the Cowboys were incredibly foolish for letting him drop so far when he could have been taken by any team before then.

[2] Saying that there is no way to know how far he would have fallen but for the Cowboys seems to indicate that 31 out of 32 teams (96.875%) of all the teams and FO's in the NFL had at least a similar assessment of Dak as the Browns, so singling out the 'Harvard Boys' for singular ridicule for being in with the 96% seems unjustified.

I agree.

J/C ....

We are talking about a guy who was passed over by other teams, many of whom desperately needed either a starter or a high end backup, a total of 134 times in the draft. 134 times.

This wasn't some slam dunk pick that every team was fighting over.

Further, the Cowboys have one of the best OL in the league .... they have Jason Whiten at TE, Dez Bryant at WR, and Zeke Elliot at RB.

The Cowboys are doing what Hue wanted to do. They are 1st in rushing, 7th in scoring, and are 20th in passing. They run the ball whenever they want, and that helps Prescott so much. He has thrown 9 TD, and 5 of those have come in the last 2 games. He has been sacked only 11 times in 11 games. Our QBs, combined, have been sacked 22 times. Prescott has had time to develop on the field, as the team was winning around him.

The Dallas defense has also been a great deal better than the Cleveland defense. The Cowboys have given up 14 TD so far this year, and are 4th in the NFL in scoring defense at 18.6 points per game allowed. The Browns have allowed a staggering 29 TD, and are allowing 29.8 points per game.

How much better would we look on offense if we were allowing 11 fewer points per game? How many more game would we have won if we had given up 11 fewer points in each of our games?

We are looking at a, QB in Prescott, who was inserted into a complete team, and some are deciding that he would look the same on the Browns who went full, total rebuild.

It's like Wentz. When he had great protection, he looked like a superstar. Once his LT was suspended, his production fell through the floor. Compare his 1st 3 games with his last 4 without Johnson. He had a decent game against the Lions without the RT, but the rest have been pretty poor.

Let's look at the whole situation when trying to evaluate what other players, especially QBs, would look like here, as the team is currently constructed.

we also had Bernie Kosar and Brain Sipe...but I said no one pimped Dak...not one...and you proved me wrong in that you liked him...not exactly pimping the kid but he did get a mention from you...so I was wrong on that front sorry Mac...I just don't remember anyone pimping Dak...kudos my brother

Hey I wanted Dak too!

In the third!

I just new, as a buisness, they wouldnt take him after he had the DUI, with Gordon still here, and Manziel just gone..

It wasn't ganna happen.

You make very good points and I am not agreeing w/mac, but I want to look at the bottom line.

The eye test told me that Dak was a better qb prospect than Kessler before the draft. The eye test also tells me that Dak is still the better qb.

If we had due diligence, we decided against them. I have yet to see the upside in Kessler, and I think the analytics painted us into a corner so now we have to see what we have (or lack) yet again. In Kessler, I believe we have found our backup at best. The RG thinking is a crash IMO. Better take a hard look at this process, of which analytics is a mysterious part. It is a valuable tool, but how it is used is crucial. We seem to be driving nails with the blade of a screwdriver: Can be done, but horrible execution. Learn from all of this season, including the FO processes.

Not surprised by Grossi visiting Neverland again and blaming Browns for the past. That avoids doing worthwhile work in the present, but, hey, not his style we have come to expect.