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Man, I think just the opposite, if OSU wins out the committee won't keep them out of the playoff even is PSU wins out. They'll tell PSU congrats on a fine season, now go enjoy the Rose Bowl.

I can see big ten getting two teams in if OSU beats UM... PSU or Wisconsin winning the championship should get them in...

Wow I went to dinner and come back and 2,3,4,9 all lose and 3 of them lost to un-ranked teams! What a crazy day...like to see how the committee ranks everyone this week

And it's going to cause the committee to need to review the importance of winning a conference versus fielding the 4 best teams.

As good as OSU would be in that scenario, they'll be idle while PSU is beating a highly ranked Wisconsin team in a Big Ten title game. That is a huge boost. They will jump OSU.

I've heard this same argument hundreds of times on this same board. If you don't win your conference or even your own division, how can you make a case to be in the CFP? Heck, especially since PSU beat OSU fair and square.

No doubt, the UM loss didn't do OSU any favors, but I still can't see them being left out if they win out. The committee knows OSU is a huge $$$$ draw.

I diont think OSU would jump a big ten winner... but I could eee both getting in... two from the big ten, bans, and then probably ACC winner

I suppose you're right. After all, this is a made-for-TV sports special. They'll want OSU in, but we'll see. Lots of things can happen from here on out.

Maybe UM wins in Columbus and makes all of this moot for OSU fans.

What about if Washington beats a ranked Washington St. and then wins the Pac12 title game against a near 10 ranked Colorado?

That's a good resume as well. A 1-loss Power5 champion.

West cost bias.. plus I don't think Washington wins out

Yea seems like the comittee stays looking for a excuse to kick the PAC-12 out. They found one.

j/c...

Lol, ouch.....

What happens if Wisconsin beats Penn State in your scenario? Can you claim Wisconsin is better than OSU?

Also compare strength of schedule and resumes.

OSU will have played 4 top 10 teams. If they get punished for that, say goodbye to marquee matchups early in the year. There will be NO point in having them. Just schedule cupcakes and win your conference.

basically, it's chaos in the big 10 .. and entire NCAAF

That is a very good point. Ohio State will have played 5 (at the time they played them) top ten teams and beat them all if they win out. Penn State will have played 2 and lost to one of them. I really don't see how they can put a 2 loss PSU in over the Buckeyes.

If they do, the committee needs to just come out and say winning your conference trumps everything else. If OSU beats Michigan, they will have wins against @Wisconsin, @Oklahoma, home against Michigan and Nebraska. Their lone loss was on the road against a top 10 team by 3.

3 top 10, maybe 2 top 5 wins. If that doesn't matter, just toss out strength of schedule as a factor and just schedule cream puffs every year to go undefeated.

Maybe not. If PSU wins out, OSU doesn't get a chance at a conference championship.

OSU has to win out and get in to the Big 10 championship game or they will get passed on the final vote. The Big 10 champ will get in. OSU at 3rd place in the league isn't going to get in as well.

Don't let OSU's ranking this week make you all warm and fuzzy. They are on thin ice and need some help to get there.

Candy makes a good point about strength of schedule, though. No one is going to schedule anyone non conference that's worth damn if the league championship is the only criteria needed to make the playoff. I don't think the NCAA wants to see that.

I get that Peen. However, as I said. Get ready for cream puff OOC schedules. Teams would be idiotic to schedule a tough OOC team. It would only hurt them.

Agreed.

Another thought is that perhaps the Big 10 gets two teams in? There isn't a team from the SEC other than "Bama that even deserves consideration. The Big 12 sucks, as does the Pac 12. The ACC could also have two deserving teams.

Pac-12 is a dumpster fire.

Washington State is now ahead of Washington in the PAC 12

God bless Mike Leach.

I've been very against teams that don't win conferences getting into championship games/playoff games... I was against Michigan getting a spot in 2006, LSU back in 2011... but if it's going to happen, it could be this year with a few teams, and yes one of them being Ohio State.

I don't recall ever seeing such a slaughter of top-ten teams on the same day before.

It was a massacre.

AP Poll after Week 11: 1. Alabama 2. Ohio St 3. Louisville 4. Michigan 5. Clemson 6. Wisconsin 7. Washington 8. Oklahoma 9. Penn St 10. WVU

Question for everyone.

When evaluating a teams strength of schedule, do you look at how a team was ranked at the time they played or at the end of the season?

Say in week #2 you beat a top 5 team. But they end up losing 3 games and finish ranked #15.
Then you beat a team in week #3 that was ranked #22 at the time but ends up with only 2 losses and finish up ranked #10 overall.

Which is the more impressive victory?

Week 12 AP Poll

1. Alabama
2. Ohio St
3. Louisville
4. Michigan
5. Clemson
6. Wisconsin
7. Washington
8. Oklahoma
9. Penn St
10. West Va.

At the time rankings mean squat to me. If you beat a team ranked #22 and they finish top 10, that's better than beating a fraud who was ranked #3 at the time. Just look at Wisconsin and their early season win over MSU. At the time, that was HUGE, but it looks like another game right now. Although you can also say their win against LSU was huge at the time, then it looked like crap, and now, it's a decent win.

I'm huge on resume, which is why I really think it's hard to talk about a team getting in without a conference title. Resume is nice to talk about during the season, because it's great fodder, and it's what makes college football different than anything else, but realistically it shouldn't be looked at until the end of the year.

For Ohio State, they have a win over now #6 Wisconsin #8 Oklahoma, #19 Nebraska and should they beat a 1-loss UM, probably another top ten team. Even without the conference title, the possibility of 3 top ten teams in your resume is impressive.

The biggest thing is that Wisconsin wins the B1G if you don't make it. That strengthens your resume. The other huge thing is that Oklahoma looks like they are going to win the Big 12. With a road win against them that could bode well.

I tend to agree, but I see a lot of comments about "they" beat "so-and-so" who was ranked "x at the time".

Occasionally on this board but frequently by the "experts"

Yup, a lot of college fans in general like to make those arguments. It just takes a bit of common sense to realize if you beat a team in the early weeks, their ranking may not matter. I'm really glad the committee waits until the 8th week or whatever to put out their list. There is no reason to have an official rankings poll in September.

They need at least 8 teams in the playoffs and 1 loss wouldn't kill a top team ... JMHO

I agree that rankings should be weighted toward games played later in the season, but let's say a team is ranked top ten at the time you beat them. They then drop considerably due to that particular loss. I think you do sometimes have to consider their ranking at the time the game is played.

You don't really see teams in the top ten drop considerably though. Michigan dropped 2 spots (albeit, a bunch of other teams in the top 5 lost) Nebraska dropped 9 spots after losing to OSU, but they were bludgeoned in that game..

I think it's just a lot easier to look at the end of the year, who you beat, and where they are currently ranked. You have a better idea of how tough a road teams had.

This playoff picture is going to be so interesting though.

We may as well pencil Alabama into the game. They aren't losing on Saturday, and they get Auburn at home in the Iron Bowl. Even if they lose that game, they're in the SEC championship and would still get in with a conference title over what will be a weak SEC East opponent..

The Big Ten winner is in. As of right now that could be quite a few teams.

The ACC could get shut out if the Coastal division opponent beats what is still likely to be Clemson in the title game. I think Clemson still gets in with a conference title.

That's where everything gets crazy. The Big 12 is an interesting conference. Oklahoma has two tough remaining games. I know it's not a great conference, but there are some interesting storylines, and at 8-1, West Virginia is kinda hiding out in the weeds. They have a huge game with Oklahoma on Saturday in their barn. That's going to be one hell of a game...

I'm trying to come up with a list of the most likely teams to make the playoff, and it is really tough... I think right now it would go Alabama 1 by a mile (they can lose and still get in realistically) and Clemson who still controls their own destiny. After that it is a mishmosh of Big Ten teams

This is going to be some of the best conversation over the next few weeks!

You need both. Don't get me wrong. I am just saying don't be blind to the fact that if PSU wins out, OSU is probabaly out.



I am not hating on OSU as some will probably claim. I am just saying OSU has a tough road in to the final 4 in the BCS....or "BS"C as I say, if they don't make the Big 10 championship.


Think about it.

Peen, I don't fail to realize they are in trouble. However, it's going to set an interesting precedent. Is it the best 4 teams or winners from the best 4 conferences?