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So I assume RG3 will soon be ready to play. Do we give him the last four games of the season, for example, and see if he could be the guy moving into 2017?
It doesn't mean we don't draft one next spring, but has anyone heard how close he is to being 100 per cent? I ask because the Plain Dealer doesn't seem to ask Hue Jackson about him at all, and usually Mary Kay Cosmetic is all over QB drama.
McCown is close to being finished, CK has question marks (IMO, mainly his arm strength).
We invested in RG3, it sucks he got hurt Week 1 and we could't get a more compete body of work on him. Does he deserve/will he get another shot?
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That's a very good question. I have been thinking about that. I don't think RGIII is the answer, but at this point.........Why not?
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Is he even coming back this year? The NFL was investigation RG3 throwing the ball last night before the game since he's on IR. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/for-some-re...-194223446.html
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swish...I heard that issue being discussed on espn, they claimed it was not a violation.
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I hope it isn't.
Like... I hope it isn't the case that RG3 was healthy for a week already.
That would look horrible for a team that's already winless.
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lamp...if RG is healthy, play him, I say.
He is the only QB that is an unknown quality...got to find out.
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play him. We gotta see something from him, as we only got a few quarters week 1.
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He does throw a nice deep ball, and god knows we need that. If only he could cover WRs and TEs
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I agree with the last 2 posters. Paly him and see what we have. He's the last one and still the unknown quantity. These injuries this year really hurt us. We couldn't see exactly what we had and lost continuity. But it is football and this is what can happen. Seems like it happens to us every year. 
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I think the Browns are losing because their talent sucks rather than the amount of injuries they have endured.
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one thing's for sure, if I were Hue I'd never play McCown again under my own volition. if it's because of injury, fine.
to me, playing him is pointless.
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one thing's for sure, if I were Hue I'd never play McCown again under my own volition. if it's because of injury, fine.
to me, playing him is pointless.
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Vers I do agree with you that we have a lack of talent. We do have a few good young players who could be front line guys in the future. What I am saying is the injuries sure don't help when they should be developing some continuity. That is why I feel we should stop trading down and start taking the BPA in "17. Enough with quantity over quality.
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the injuries certainly have hurt us. If RGIII is healthy then I would like to see him out there.
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Good post. I probably misunderstood your earlier post. My bad.
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You bet he should be out there. He's our most talented qb for what it's worth and still has the most upside.
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His future is that I don't think he has a future with us.
He does some nice things, but nothing exceptional. I'd venture as far as to say that I think the offense ran better under McCown, and he's injury prone.
If he is healthy, though, may as well trot him out there - it can't hurt. We need bodies.
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at this point I cannot disagree. He is our most talented QB. I for one do not want to go 0-16
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interested in rg3.
i think the reason we lack talent is we always get rid of starters instead of someone beating them out. we just cut players and pretend we upgraded. been doin that for a long time...
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None of the QBs on the roster are the answer to the long standing franchise QB question.
Kessler is a capable backup. McCown is old (and not good). RGIII can't be evaluated properly because he can't stay on the field. Hogan has serious mechanical issues. Callahan is not going to be on the roster soon.
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It is impossible to know what we have in Kessler in only a handful of games.
Heck, we gave Colt McCoy his entire 2nd season, even though he was awful. This team is awful. We have trouble protecting the QB, catching the ball, getting open, blocking, running the ball, and especially stopping anyone on defense, especially in the 2nd halves of games. It is almost Keystone Kops for us in the 2nd halves of games. Teams ignore the run, because we don't. In our last 5 games we have runs the ball 13 times, 13 times, 18 times, (we had McCown, and he opened up the run game to the extent that we averaged 3.7 yards/rush against an awful Jets defense) 26 times, (against the Bengals, and 8 were by QBs ... but our RBs actually averaged over 4 yards/carry) and 15 times for 40 yards against the Titans. (when Kessler threw for 336 yards and 2 TD, despite 6 sacks) Our QBs have been sacked 17 times in these last 5 games. That is a season equivalent of 54 sacks. Is it all on the OL? Of course not. Is some of it? You bet. Is the fact that we get so far behind that the other team knows exactly what's coming hurt both OL and QB? Absolutely.
We gave up 28 points to the Ravens, 35 to the Cowboys, 31 to the Jets, 31 to the Bengals, and 28 to the Titans. In some of these games the other team took pity on us and did the kneel down so we don't score at the end. We can tell one thing about our QBs. They are going to be under massive pressure in the 2nd halves of games as we fall further and further behind.
I do think that we have some players with legitimate talent, and some with real potential, on both sides of the ball, However, we also have youth everywhere, and youth does not win in the NFL. I said it before this year began, but I hoped/expected that we would improve in the 2nd half of the season. well, the 2nd half is running out. The defense is especially disappointing. On offense we have gone through 10 QBs. (OK, an exaggeration, but only a slight one) On defense, though, we should be seeing some improvement from them as a unit. We aren't. That's what really disappoints me more than anything else.
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I think he should have a decent bit of practice time before we play him. I might start him after the bye depending on how he looks.
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Milk the cow you bought. Play him. What, he might lose? I don't see him as the future here in any way. Kessler isn't ready and IMO isn't the answer, at least not yet. His ceiling is his arm. Nobody could QB well with the line letting them in regularly, but he holds it as long as McCown did which is no help either. Play him and get this "see what we've got" behind us. We may have the answer already. Piling up more losses represents what? More proof? Validation going forward?
Pick one. Sit one. Most of our time needs to be spent on Horton's defense. QB can't matter without that improving.
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My question is , can you count on Bitonio ?? How many games has he missed in the last two seasons ? When he goes down the entire OL suffers tremendously .. How much different would our line play with him at left guard and serviceable Center ..
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It is impossible to know what we have in Kessler in only a handful of games.
Heck, we gave Colt McCoy his entire 2nd season, even though he was awful. This team is awful. We have trouble protecting the QB, catching the ball, getting open, blocking, running the ball, and especially stopping anyone on defense, especially in the 2nd halves of games. It is almost Keystone Kops for us in the 2nd halves of games. Teams ignore the run, because we don't. In our last 5 games we have runs the ball 13 times, 13 times, 18 times, (we had McCown, and he opened up the run game to the extent that we averaged 3.7 yards/rush against an awful Jets defense) 26 times, (against the Bengals, and 8 were by QBs ... but our RBs actually averaged over 4 yards/carry) and 15 times for 40 yards against the Titans. (when Kessler threw for 336 yards and 2 TD, despite 6 sacks) Our QBs have been sacked 17 times in these last 5 games. That is a season equivalent of 54 sacks. Is it all on the OL? Of course not. Is some of it? You bet. Is the fact that we get so far behind that the other team knows exactly what's coming hurt both OL and QB? Absolutely.
We gave up 28 points to the Ravens, 35 to the Cowboys, 31 to the Jets, 31 to the Bengals, and 28 to the Titans. In some of these games the other team took pity on us and did the kneel down so we don't score at the end. We can tell one thing about our QBs. They are going to be under massive pressure in the 2nd halves of games as we fall further and further behind.
I do think that we have some players with legitimate talent, and some with real potential, on both sides of the ball, However, we also have youth everywhere, and youth does not win in the NFL. I said it before this year began, but I hoped/expected that we would improve in the 2nd half of the season. well, the 2nd half is running out. The defense is especially disappointing. On offense we have gone through 10 QBs. (OK, an exaggeration, but only a slight one) On defense, though, we should be seeing some improvement from them as a unit. We aren't. That's what really disappoints me more than anything else. It is impossible to know what we have in Kessler in only a handful of games.
Heck, we gave Colt McCoy his entire 2nd season, even though he was awful. This team is awful. We have trouble protecting the QB, catching the ball, getting open, blocking, running the ball, and especially stopping anyone on defense, especially in the 2nd halves of games. It is almost Keystone Kops for us in the 2nd halves of games. Teams ignore the run, because we don't. In our last 5 games we have runs the ball 13 times, 13 times, 18 times, (we had McCown, and he opened up the run game to the extent that we averaged 3.7 yards/rush against an awful Jets defense) 26 times, (against the Bengals, and 8 were by QBs ... but our RBs actually averaged over 4 yards/carry) and 15 times for 40 yards against the Titans. (when Kessler threw for 336 yards and 2 TD, despite 6 sacks) Our QBs have been sacked 17 times in these last 5 games. That is a season equivalent of 54 sacks. Is it all on the OL? Of course not. Is some of it? You bet. Is the fact that we get so far behind that the other team knows exactly what's coming hurt both OL and QB? Absolutely.
We gave up 28 points to the Ravens, 35 to the Cowboys, 31 to the Jets, 31 to the Bengals, and 28 to the Titans. In some of these games the other team took pity on us and did the kneel down so we don't score at the end. We can tell one thing about our QBs. They are going to be under massive pressure in the 2nd halves of games as we fall further and further behind.
I do think that we have some players with legitimate talent, and some with real potential, on both sides of the ball, However, we also have youth everywhere, and youth does not win in the NFL. I said it before this year began, but I hoped/expected that we would improve in the 2nd half of the season. well, the 2nd half is running out. The defense is especially disappointing. On offense we have gone through 10 QBs. (OK, an exaggeration, but only a slight one) On defense, though, we should be seeing some improvement from them as a unit. We aren't. That's what really disappoints me more than anything else. YTown -- great post and thought out -- And your explanation seems to validate my hopes for the upcoming draft Peppers - S Tabor - CB Humphrey / CB Robinson / Bisnowaty - OT Feeney / Elflein - OG
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Thanks.
I look at this team, and we do have some outstanding players, guys like Pryor, Thomas, Shelton, and Collins. (though I don't know about that hair. lol)
We have some next level guys like Kirksey, Bitonio, (if he can stay healthy) Greco, Duke, Crowell, and Barnidge.
We have some guys in the latest draft who have shown some ability in guys like Coleman, Ogbah, maybe Nassib,and others who may grow and develop. Not every rookie plays to the top of his ability in year 1, and not every one of the guys on this team has to be a long term starter to be useful in the future. If they can be quality backups/subs, whose kind of players are valuable once a team has developed. I would add that we need to decide what Ogbah is. Is he a DE, or an OLB?
One of the things that really worries me is that Haslam might decide that we're on the wrong path, again, and blow it up so we would have to start this whole, painful process over again.
As far as our needs ...... we need help in the secondary desperately. I think that we need another (at least) high caliber DL. We need OL help, and a QB, if one is there who is worth the pick. It's not pretty, but sometimes you have to build the team, and then find the QB. That's what happened with the Steelers. I just hope that we don't blow things up again .... man that would suck.
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The Browns signed Griffin with the hope that he could help this team.
He has been unable to stay healthy in his career. Injuries happen. They hit every position randomly. Is Griffin at fault? Hard to say. But his body type and his manor of play don't help.
With that being said at this point in time what can it hurt? Kessler is a young guy he has done some good things but at the same time seems to have shown his limitations. He is on the roster and there is plenty of time in the future to develop and evaluate Kessler.
If Griffin can play then why not? Let's see what he can do. See if he can stay on the field and show the organization if can contribute.
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I think if RG3 is healthy you have to play him. IF not then let colt play.
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He was sitting on the bench Thursday night in Baltimore. Not sure if that means anything but he was there. Hey, for all I know, he might have been sitting on the bench at every game. But I never heard it talked about until this week.
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I think if RG3 is healthy you have to play him. IF not then let colt play. Colt?
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I think if RG3 is healthy you have to play him. IF not then let colt play. Colt? I think he means Colt Kessler.
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Robert Griffin III - QB - Browns
The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports Robert Griffin III (shoulder, injured reserve) will undergo another scan in the "next couple of weeks."
That scan will determine whether or not RGIII can play again this season. Whatever it finds, we'd consider it extremely unlikely that Griffin makes any more Browns starts. His only shot would be an injury to Cody Kessler, which, admittedly, can't be ruled out.
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If he were to return, I put the over/under at 2 games before he's hurt again. Other than Hogan & Pryor possibly, I don't think a single QB under center has not taken some type of brutal hit due to poor blocking. Add in the fact that RG3 puts himself in danger, 2 may be high.
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j/c...
If RG3 is cleared to play...play he will do.
It was never the plan to have Kessler play one rep this season. I think he is doing well under the circumstances but RG3 is something we have to find out about - do we extend him...do we go for a Franchise QB in the draft?
We should be able to see improvement from Kessler. Besides RG3 does throw one nice deep ball.
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j/c...
If RG3 is cleared to play...play he will do.
It was never the plan to have Kessler play one rep this season. I think he is doing well under the circumstances but RG3 is something we have to find out about - do we extend him...do we go for a Franchise QB in the draft?
We should be able to see improvement from Kessler. Besides RG3 does throw one nice deep ball.
jmho I think I have found out all I need to know about RG3 and yes we need to draft a QB early.
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One of the things that really worries me is that Haslam might decide that we're on the wrong path, again, and blow it up so we would have to start this whole, painful process over again. If that happens, I'm pretty much done. No more recording the games for later watching on work days. Fewer visits to this site. No more active support. I just barely came back this year, and did so with no real enthusiasm. Mostly it was curiosity about the kids... but it's really hard to care when you don't even know the names of half the team at the start of training camp.
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Why do you people hate RG3 so much that you want to make him start for the Browns?? Isnt that cruel and unusual punishment??
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