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I hope they at least try with a QB with the #1 pick.

I'd rather see them swing and miss on a QB than not swing at all.

And then keep swinging until they hit a homer.

I don't know Vers just my dream scenerio.

Taking a QB just to take one as a first round pick is ludicrous. We need playmakers at those pick and not role players. Take the best player available period.You can go after need once its round 2 and beyond.

Look how it sets us back when we swing and miss from the bottom 3rd of the round (Quinn, JFF, Weeden). Imagine doing that at the top of the round. Drafting out of desperation is a horrible idea.

That's how you end up with a lot of strikes.

we're getting outs by not even trying to swing.

Has everyone seen enough of Kessler to know whether or not he's worth keeping?

I'm on the side of knowing he's NOT worth keeping. Stats make him look decent, but on film, he looks atrocious.

He's worth keeping. He's not worth relying on as our starter going forward.

He was always most likely a backup.

worth keeping as the 3rd string QB?? If we had a great starter at QB (crossing fingers), and he got hurt, I would not think that we had any chance at winning with kessler.

Kessler is the equivalent to Thad Lewis/ Connor Shaw.

No. As a backup.

Look at the backup QBs around the league. Matt Cassel, Matt McGloin, Kellen Clemens, Dan Orlovsky, and Matt Schaub are all currently employed as backups in the NFL. Kessler is a rookie who will improve at least a little bit and he is already as good or better than some of those guys (and much cheaper).

Will you provide your expert analysis on a comparison of Cody Kessler and Austin Davis?

Give Kessler a break. Original intentions were for him to not even see the field this year.

He is/was a 3rd round developmental player. He got thrown into the mix early. Like, game 2.

As a developmental player, he was, as a third string qb, expected to sit and learn.

He didn't have that chance. Not his fault.

He's done as well as he can, no doubt. And when looked at in his entire body of work, we can see the game moves faster than him. Totally expected. (at least, totally expected by those that know what to expect from 3rd round qb's.)

To expect a 3rd round qb to excel when he wasn't expected to play is a bit absurd, in my opinion.

To expect him to read nfl defenses on start 1 is a bit absurd. To cast him off as a has been is just dumb.

What about Prescott?

What about the talent around him?

What about him?

He's got a good line. He has an awesome running back. So, you tell me: What about him?

Put him in our O. You expect him to do the same as he has in D?

And further, I do believe you were one of the main people bemoaning the Browns not drafting Wentz, AND Goff.

How's that working out?

That isn't what I asked or implied.

Dak was third string, behind Romo and Moore. He was not expected to play a down this year. He has. And he has played well.

Now, you wanna compare the talent around him.....okay. He has better talent around him. Whose fault is that?

And furthermore, if you watch Dak and then watch Cody.......are you saying that Cody would have the same success in Dallas that Dak has and would Dak be as crappy as Cody is here?

Just wondering?

I agree with that as well. However, we are looking at the first overall pick. Unless there is a QB that really wows us, I can't see reaching.

There are two defensive players, Garrett and Allen who look to be about as sure thing as it gets. Nobody says they have questions on them. Every QB has question marks. I know some QB will get selected early because that is the nature of the beast with QBs. Lets at least wait until our 2nd pick of the first round.


In my opinion, if we select a QB at #1 and pass on Garrett or Allen, I will agree with those saying our FO is clueless. That would be a stupid move.

I was. I can admit I was wrong.

Can you?

why does my opinion have to be dumb?

Cody went to a top tier school at USC. Saying he was a 3rd round "developmental" guy sounds like an excuse to me.

Charlie Frye was a 3rd round pick. He at least gave me hope that he could win games. He actually won a few his first year too, and that was behind a bum o-line (See Braylon grabbing Frye's jersey on sideline to show the oline how dirty it was.. lmfao).

I could, if I was. I wasn't wrong in anything I posted. Cody is a 3rd round draft pick that wasn't expected to see the field this year. Injuries put him on the field.

I get it - same with Dak. One has talent around him, one doesn't.

Okay arch.

Okay. I knew there was a reason I didn't post much in the football threads.

Your opinion is gold.

naw. its just my opinion.

Didn't seem worth its own thread, so I'll put it here ... From Albert Breer, MMQB, 11/23/16:

For Sale sign up in Jimmy Garoppolo’s front lawn. Patriots coach Bill Belichick wasn’t asked about his backup quarterback during press availability last Friday. But he talked about him anyway, when asked a question about starter Tom Brady. The topic was the importance of Brady being present at practice. Here’s what Belichick said: “If you’re missing one receiver then maybe you get the timing with the other 10 players . . . If you're missing the quarterback, you could still get it and certainly we have a good quarterback in Jimmy (Garoppolo) and Jimmy could go out there and run everything that Tom can run. We’ve seen that. I'm not saying that he's not capable or qualified to do it. He is. And he does a great job of it. And when we put Jimmy in there, it’s really seamless. You can’t, unless you were actually looking at the position, if you could just block out that position and say which guy was in there at quarterback, I don't know if you would know a lot of times.” Alright, so any quarterback, much less a backup, being compared to Brady by the guy who coaches Brady merits heads turning. And Belichick wouldn’t lavish this praise on Garoppolo if it wasn’t earned, lest he send the wrong message to the rest of the players. What stuck out to me here was how Belichick volunteered all of that, and I think what we’re seeing is a little something to make sure other clubs know what kind of quarterback is likely to be available in a few months. Wanna take it to another level and look at potential suitors? Keep an eye on the Browns and Saints. Cleveland could deal away the pick they got from Philadelphia, and hang on to what could be the first overall pick. And then, Texas A&M’s Myles Garrett and Garoppolo could, in theory, be Cleveland’s version of the Oakland draft that netted Khalil Mack and Derek Carr. As for New Orleans, the Saints have been kicking tires on young quarterbacks through the past two draft cycles, were high on Garoppolo in 2014 and saw him in joint practices with New England the past two summers, and will have a 37-year-old Drew Brees going into a contract year in 2017. Theoretically, they may like Garoppolo better than anyone in what’s expected to be a mediocre QB lot this spring, and could bring him aboard on his rookie deal for next year, then tag him in 2018 and do a long-term deal then. At any rate, this should all be interesting, and I’m willing to make an educated guess Belichick knew he was feeding into it last week.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/11/23/


FWIW, Breer is the former beat writer for the Patriots, so he might know what he's talking about.

That would carry more weight with me if EVERY PATRIOT BACKUP didn't step in and do the same thing ...

Look at the year Brady went down early with the knee ... the back up stepped in (may have been Hoyer) and put up eye popping numbers and I believe they won 7 or 8 in a row ..

Sorry ... add that to the fact what's Bill suppose to say ....

"If Tom can't go were going to eliminate 1/2 the play book? .. *L* ..

i'd take this with a MAJOR GRAIN OF SALT for a few reasons .. !

Not to mention BB is NOT going to trade Brady's replacement for any amount of draft picks. As soon as he trades Grap for anything, that team is screwed.

I believe Jimmy is a restricted FA after this year ... any help here would be appreciatted ...

As usual Bill is prepared for it ... they drafted Brissett in this years draft ... even moved up to get him ... he NEVER MOVES UP ... must have seen sumptin he liked ...

He prolly won't trade him ... but they will designate him to get picks .. not sure witch "level" they will designate him at ... i don't think Bill will just let him leave ...

Maybe a sign and trade ... they may work ...

My point was that BB's not going to let anything go thats worth keeping. Now you might be right that if he's a FA, he might want to get something in return...BUT if he's worth keeping then they will re-sign him. I would be real leery of dealing with BB.

I agree BB ... if he's locked up for a few more years ... he's not going anywhere ... unless Bill has deemed him un-worthy ...

My point was I think he is a FA and Bill has planned for it ... Brisset is a big part of the equation when your discussing weather Jimmy stays or goes ...

I think were pretty much on the same page ...

Garappolo is signed through 2017, and then he is an UFA.

He isn't going to re-sign with the Patriots when Brady is signed through 2019, and he is still playing at a very high level.

It makes a great deal of sense for the Pats to deal him before next year's draft. They reportedly like Brissett, as you mentioned, so they will almost certainly try to get something for Garappolo while they can. You mentioned compensatory picks, but that is a 3rd rounder at the end of the round, at best, so I doubt that Belichick wants to wait for that.

The Pats are not going to throw tens of millions per year at Garappolo. They can't. Brady is already incredibly expensive. Besides, Brady shows no signs of slowing down.

I think that if we part with our lower 1st rounder, he could be had. I wonder how much a team like New Orleans would part with, given that they need a lot of help, and they already have an all time great QB.

Thanks Y ...

If we give up any 1st rnd pick for him I will be VERY DISSAPOINTED and it will confirm just how little this FO knows about their jobs ...

Where are our picks in rnd 2? .. i think we have 2 of them .. no? ..

We do have 2 picks in the 2nd round. Where depends on final records od course.

Our own which will be one the 1st couple and Tennessee's pick

TY sir ....

OK .. root against the iggles and titans ... got it ... ..

There is more than one way to skin a cat. I wouldn't mind bringing in Grappalo for a 2nd rounder. Maybe even a swap with NE for the Eagles pick for the Pats 1st rounder.....maybe we have to throw in a bone like a 4th rounder to sweeten the deal to make it even.

The key to trading is being fair, and NE has done that over the years.



I waiver, but in the end I really don't want to draft a QB #1 this year. My sincere feeling is that either Garret or Allen would have a MAJOR impact on this team. Those guys would improve 2 other positions day one.

We have to find a way to rush the passer. If we do, our D improves overnight. Add one of those guys, and get Collins inked, we add 4-5 wins right off the bat. Add another O-lineman who can play, we add another 3-4 at minimum.


Now we are competitive and can work up from there.


Just draft players. I think these NFL draft geeks make it way harder than it is....just draft the right friggen guys.


Set the damn board in a few weeks, then kick some off as you find out more.


I understand some may move up as you move some down or off the board, but nobody should start jumping more than the numbers you pull off.



Forget projecting. Baseball or basketball can project because they can draft H.S. players. You can project with them. Kids who have played college football? That is like a baseball player who plays in AAA.

You should have a pretty good read on that player by that point. Drafting for the NFL should be way easier than the other top sports....including the NHL.


The NFL has turned something pretty simple in to something hard. DePo might be our Ace in the hole. He came up in baseball, he has learned the lessons that if a guy can't do it in AAA, he's probably not going to do it in MLB.

Dang Mr. Peen ... this is like the old days .. *L* ..

Your saying were signing Collins, a ROOKIE pass rusher and 1 OLman away from 7 or 8 wins??? ..

Damm .. were way closer than i thought ... ..

I agree - I'd do the Jimmy G trade for a 2nd rounder - I'd even do it for our first 2nd round pick, which I think will be #33. He was drafted at #67, IIRC.

I like the old days.....but OK, I am not like EO, but I do look at the bright side.


Our problem has mostly been on D IMO. A good pass rusher can turn 3rd downs in to punts. Forget the wins totals.

A good pass rush improves everybody behind them.



A few more punts this year and a few less first downs changes things IMO.

A pass rush changes everything. What if we took Myles Garrett, DE @ #1, traded the second 2nd round pick along with the Eagles 1st round pick to move up for Johnathan Allen, DT, and then did the Garoppolo deal with the first (#33) 2nd rounder? That's a major step towards NFL credibility, IMO.

Wouldn't that make the most sense? IF Cody is not it and instead of having another true rookie QB, and apparently not a true franchise QB per all the talking heads in this coming draft - Garoppolo you'd have to think would have given us 3-4 wins (Ravens, Dolphins, Titans, Jets, easily?) this year and maybe double that next year -- speculation of course and assuming it all went as planned.

But, it may be easy for him to play when there was little expectation on him except to just mange until Brady came back..could he handle the pressure up here?