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For what it is worth, Diam............

I like Jimmy G and would prefer trading for him rather than drafting one of the draft eligible qbs in round 1 this year.

I watched a bit of the LSU Texas AM game last night.. I tried to watch Garrett as much as I could. I can't honestly say I was impressed, 2 tackles (none solo)2 assists no sacks. I went over to stat city at ESPN and it looks like to me his good numbers come against inferior competition such as Texas San Antonio 8 tackle 7 solo 1 assist 4.5 sacks and 1 forced fumble... the sole exception was the Alabama game, 7 tackles 3 solo 4 assists 0forced fumbles

Maybe this guy isn't as good as people think he is.

I don't doubt that the price tag would begin at at least the Eagles 1st rounder.

Jimmy G. Isn't some 5th round or UDFA that NE had sit behind Brady for. A few season, (Cassel, Hoyer) he was a legit prospect, 2nd round pick, and has shown he can play, at least in a small sample size..

I don't know how much I'd give up for him honestly. Because getting any player from Belicheck scares the crap out of me..

He could end up in a lot of places should NE decide to get something for him now..

Arizona (Palmers almost done)
Chicago (#JayCutler)
Buffalo (Rex gets fired, new guy doesn't want Tyrod)
NYJ (All of their QBs suck)
KC (Alex Smith concussions)

The more people interested, the more it'll cost.. And NE doesn't HAVE to trade him..

How much is a little bit?

I wonder about his love of the game at times, but he's definitely got the talent. It's hard for me to tell if its a lack of desire or if he's been coached to conserve energy.

Teams can run at him and get stuffed, or run away from him and get yards. Generally, they try running away. Against lesser teams it doesn't matter if they run away, he's explosive enough to get there when the rest of the D can hold up.

He gets a lot of attention, and even if he isn't always making the tackle he's disruptive when they aren't heading to the opposite side of the field.

Yea, I'm taking Watson over trubisky all day everyday.

I need guys who have proved themselves on the field. Not one hit wonders.

He threw 14 picks this year .... 14 ... in college .... he will not be a good pro ... his skill set just doesn't match the pro game ...

Unlike your girl Hillary at least he has some positives mixed in with all the HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE ...

If someone drafts him high .. they will be sorely dissapointed ....

I'm thinking if the IDIOTS in SF Kelly and Belke somehow keep their jobs their the suckers that will buy the fools gold ...

Matt Ryan threw 18 INTS his last year at BC.

Jameis Winston threw 18 INT his last year at FSU

Are you saying he isn't a good pro? His skill set doesn't match the pro game.

I thought you said stats are for losers. That's what you pushed on me all the time when I brought up stats.

So which is it?

Matt Ryan and Winston have way more NFL QB skills than Winston does. Not even close.

Mitch is riding a wave of media hype that seems to coincide with runors of the Browns being interested in him. Then boom his own thread appears.

I like both QB prospects and think the Mitch vs Watson discussion is worth having.

That's opinion.

For all we know, Watson might be better than both.

However, the stats Diam decided to use backfired, that's why I bring that up.

There's quite a few solid QB's in this league who have some high INT numbers in college.

Thats not opinion .... if u watched and or understood the games ... you'd understand ...

I WATCHED every Clemson game this year ... so happy I moved from liberal ass NY and down to SC ... i brought up the picks because he makes HORRIBLE DECISIONS and he's also not accurate to me .... i figured I'd dumb it down for u and the rest of the STAT boys ...

The thing i LOVE about him .. he's a winner ... he's dug his team plenty of holes this year ... but when it counts ... he comes through ...

His skill set simply doesn't translate ... if u watched and understood you'd get it ...

Winston is your example? .. huh ... not sure if u watch any nfl games ... but U obviously don't watch the Bucs ... Winston has a shot ... we'll know more in the next year or two ... so far ... just like in college he makes HORRIBLE DECISIONS ... simply horrible ...

If you watched ... you'd KNOW he's been getting better over the last 3 weeks or so ... because he's utilizing all his recievers ... over the first 8 games or so ... all he did was look for Evans .. when u go look up your stats to find one u like to prove your BS point ... look at how many targets went to Evans over the first 8 weeks ... maybe you'll actually learn something ..

He's got a shot .... WHY? ... cause he's big and strong and accuratte ... if he gets over his STUPIDITY he can be pretty good ... he seems to be progressing in that area ..

Ryan/Winston had much different Skill Sets than Watson ... much different ...

There both bigger, stronger and much more accurate than Watson ...

U keep looking at the stats ... i'll keep watching the games ...

As usual .. Time will tell ...

I'm not a big hand size advocate and it's not a huge concern of mine, but has anyone seen a number for Trubisky? I noticed a few bobbles and fumbles yesterday when I was watching "film". He also used a funky 2 handed pump fake (could be a ball security reason) that looked weird. He's got a solid OL so I don't think it's really come up, but if they are on the smaller side, it could be an issue that is magnified behind our OL.

Sidenote: All the QBs in this class seem very inconsistent. It's hard to figure out which ones will take the next step. There was an article on this subject and Dak on draftbreakdown. I'll try to add a link later when not on the phone.

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U keep looking at your stats ... as usual they are a tiny corner of the entire picture .. u look at them and act like they prove a point ...

At least the Watson/Winston comparison have a few things in common ... same conference, same weather, much closer talent around them and offensive philosophies so they were asked to do more of the same things for their O's ...

Welcome to the DaManIsHot, Deputy and a few others club ... reading or responding to U is just a waste of time IMO ... enjoy the board .. by ignoring U I know i'll enjoy it more ...

U can snipe away all u like ... enjoy my man ...

BYE BYE ...

VERS ... TRYING TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE HERE BRO ...

I keep looking st stats because you're the one who brought the stats up.

Did you forget already? You brought up the INT numbers first, not me.

I watch the Clemson games too. Not every single one, but at least 5 this season.

It's why he gets compared to Marcus Mariota, who is balling out, btw.

You can't name a QB in this league who HASNT made horrible decisions.

Hell, Brady has one or two 4 INT games. Manning had a 6 INT game. Aaron Rodgers has a ton of two pick games.

And I can go on and on.

If we base QB play only by horrible decisions, no QB in this league should ever be drafted in the first round.

So don't tell me to keep looking at the stats when that's exactly what you did in your post.

Thanks for pointing that out ... ED provided a link to all his games .. i've watched the Pitt game so far plus the NC State game live ... another poster mentioned his fumbles to me .. as I watch the rest of his games .. i'll watch for that? ..

Anyone else have any things I may want to watch for as i go through the games?

On a VERY LIMITED sample size ... so far .. i really like this kid ...

Swish said he didn't like one hit wonders ... not a big fan of them either .. if the skill set is there .. the skill set is there ... and being a one hit wonder is a huge strike against in my book, it will take alot to overcome that to me ...

Agree on this class ... Mitch is the only one I'd consider in the first round with either pick ... and i'm not even sure of that ... haven't seen enough ..

Actually I'm talking about Kizer and Watson ... don't know enough about the others ...

Anyone got anything else I should look for when watching Mitch's games .... please let me know ...

Didn't know you moved to South Carolina. Welcome to the South. If this is going to be your first winter after NY, you are going to wonder why you didn't do this years ago.

No doubt that watching a Clemson game is far superior to watching Syracuse. The only thing they have in common is that Orange is one of their primary colors.

I've been thinking about interceptions as a benchmark for judging QB's, and I've decided that the stat carries too much weight in that equation. I went to Pro Football Reference and found a table of all time pct leaders in Int %:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm

If you check the link, you can see that there are some great QBs at both ends of the table. I have read that the average NFL Int % is around 3.3%. Among QBs with at least 1500 attempts, Aaron Rodgers is best at 1.6%, along with some others that are fairly mediocre QBs. At the high end of the table - around 5% Int Pct (or more)- you'll find guys like Johnny Unitas, Otto Graham, Len Dawson, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Ken Stabler, and many more.

The point is, there's more reasons for Ints than just "bad decision by the QB". There's bad O-Lines that can't stop penetration and get their QB harassed all day and allow lots of batted balls that often flutter into LB's arms. There's clank-handed, knuckle-headed receivers who have well thrown balls DOINK off their hands to a DB, or who inexplicably break off routes while their QB is throwing to the spot he was supposed to be. AND, there are "bad decisions".

You could even argue that if you aren't throwing the occasional Int, you aren't trying hard enough to get the ball downfield, and you are leaving plays on the field while you throw the ineffectual checkdown to a RB or TE, 3 or 4 yards short of the 1st down marker. Right before you punt.

In a way, I'm arguing both yours and Swish's point. You have to watch the games to see if there is a shortcoming in the QB's game, but a high Int Pct is not necessarily indicative of that.

I'll see your "did u forget all ready" and raise U "a reading comprehension problem" ... *L* ...

What part of I brought up the stat to dumb it down for the Stat Boys did u not understand? .. the only reason I even knew the stat was cause they mentioned it on the game last night ... when u rely on your eyes and understand/trust what u saw VS using google to look up stats ... you'll have a much better chance of making good valid arguments ... hmmm .. maybe the "google crew" will be used alongside Stat Boys ... *L* ...

Back to football ... i want my QB's to be ACCURATE and SMART ... thats the first two attributes I want my QB's to have ... Watson has trouble with college D's ... good luck in the NFL my man .. goood luck ...

Now go back to your stat(s) and take mountains and make them molehills ... *L* ...

U may have the last word ... not much more to say here UNLESS u bring up something football related ...

U ain't gonna believe this one bro ... i'm going back to NY middle of DEC. till end of April/beginning of May to take care of Moms .. she's 83 and not exactly cooperating with the move .. *L* ...

I'll say one thing ... its HOT AS PEE down here ... and i didn't get here til Oct. ... *L* ..

Went to my first HS football game on Friday night .. AWESOME ... stadium was full ... 2500 minimum .. in NY we don't get that many at the 6 state final games combined .. *L* .. full video screen ... 2 FULL PRACTICE FIELDS ...

What i really loved ... the baseball field ... looked BUETIFUL ... talked to a few kids on the team (I'm not shy .. *L*) ... lights .. 315 in corners ... 360 dead center ... grass looked awesome ... 3 batting cages ... 2 mounds in each fenced in bullpen ... it looked and had better facilities than 2 of the 4 D-1 fields around me in NY ... *L* ..

I am so bummed I won't be here for the SC baseball season ... i know u follow baseball ... SC has Schmidt who should be a top 5 pick and 6 of the other SEC's #1's who pitch on Friday nights .. so on 3 or 4 Friday nights I could be watching 1st round picks on the mound ... SO BUMMED ... one of them was the freshman or sophomore's from Fla .. he was your #3 last year .. dude can deal ...

Also talked to two of the assistant hoops coaches ... like i said i ain't shy ... *L* .. just happend to be standing behind where they were sitting ...

Felton Spencer's nephew who signed with NC plays in Columbia ... gotta get to that before i head back .. and i may stay for the Chick-Fila classic in Charleston I think they said ... they says its one of the best tournaments all year long .. loaded with D-1 talent ... kids going to NC, Duke and a bunch of other big time D-1 schools ...

I LOVE IT ....

Anyways, can't wait to see what Watson does.

They are going to make the playoffs as long as they win their conference title game.

We might be looking at a Clemson-OSU playoff game out the gate.

100% Dave .. its one of the reasons i HATE STATS ... especially in football ... the sample size in a year is 16 games ... thats a tiny sample for anything .. u used career stats .. thats a much better sample ... much larger ....

And u understand what your saying ... there's reasons for int's sometimes ... and u brought it up when u said "if u don't throw enough of them you may not be going downfield enough" .. thats just one of them ...

I have no clue what Favre's rate was ... i bet it was on the high end if not one of the highest ..... but his was partially not being great at reading D's but more importantly .. he thought he could fit the ball into SLIVER SIZED cracks much less windows ... *L* ...

Then u mentioned the variables ... there HUGE in football ...

OL ... running game ... recievers your throwing to .. weather ... your D ... your opponents ...

Just yesterday one of the STAT BOYS said seattle had the most dominant D we've ever see .. they weren't even the best D's in any of the last 2 years ... the STATS they reference don't take into account over the last 2 years ... they've gotten to play SF and St.Loius/LA 4 TIMES A YEAR ... thats 25% of their schedules .... and this year ARIZONA's O sucks .... thats 6 out of 16 games against TWO HORRIBLE HORRIBLE O'S and one below average O ...

They don't get it ... they just look at STATS (witch can be manipulated even in good circumstances) and make STATEMENTS based off them that sometimes couldn't be further from the truth ...

Thanks for the post Dave ...

Someone needs to call the Steelers during the 2000's era and tell them they didn't have a good defense. They just had to play the Bengals, Browns and Ravens 2 times a year. Don't look at the stats!

Pay attention to the UNC offense. It's very simplistic. Factor that into how long it will take Mitch to develop mentally into a quality NFL Qb.

The article starts with: "Raise your hand if you didn’t think Dak Prescott would be a legitimate starting quarterback in the NFL".

I raised my hand and I know there were a good 10-20 posters on this message board alone who liked him and thought we should draft him in the 2nd round. That was before his DUI. Then many of us soured on him. Having just dealt with Gordon and Manziel's issues very few still wanted to draft him. Not because of the on the field stuff but because of the off the field stuff.

If the reason NFL teams passed on Dak was because of his football ability then they should be fired and replaced by several of the Dawgtalkers.

TY sir ...

CHS - say hi to Deputy, That guy, DaManIsHot and a few others ...

Ahhh ... the board is more enjoyable all ready ...

BYE BYE ...

We can say that about UNC's offense, but more than half of NCAA uses these type of offenses anymore. Trying to find one that doesn't play that style is nearly impossible.

It can get hot. I don't like that all that much.

I know what you mean about HS sports. Seems much bigger, as is college anything.

What does Watson do better than Trubisky? Win more games with NFL talent around him? Winning in college means NOTHING. If it did, how high would you draft JT Barrett?

Watson will be Vince Young in the NFL.

#ColtMcCoy

One of the things I like about Mahomes is that he has had to do more with less. He's still a project, though.

First I've heard that comparison.

He reminds me of Tyrod Taylor.

What I'm starting to see with the QBs coming out over the recent years..

The NFL is screwed.

Yup.

It's no shocker that the league has a bunch of mediocre-bad QBs right now.

Really? Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Prescott, and Carr were all selected in the past three drafts. They are all pretty good. The jury is still out on Goff, Bortles, Garoppolo, and Bridgewater.

There are 32 teams.

You named 5 QBs.

And the Browns drafted Manziel.

Man, this team!

Imagine the Browns with Carr and O'Dell Beckham Jr.

I mean, Pettine and Farmer would still be here..

But take the good with the bad..

You said the QBs coming out in recent years. Those are the QBs to come out of the last three drafts. That's pretty decent.

On top of those guys the league still has the mega stars like Brady, Rodgers, Newton, Luck, Roethlisberger, Wilson and Brees. The tier below those guys is even looking pretty good with Eli, Stafford, Cousins, Rivers, Tannehill, and Ryan.

I don't think QB play has ever been better, it's just that the bottom is real ugly.