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Do you bath in the koolaide or just drink it?

Until they're found in the attic hiding while writing their diary's.

That was a great post, 40.

If u were seriously worried about the tax burden on the middle class ...

- you'd be way more concerned about the 115 BILLION a year we spend on illegals ...

- you'd be way more concerned about the cost of bringing over refugess, the cost of supporting them, the cost of their health care, the cost of their education ... dude that just drove over and carved up peop[le on the OSU campus was on a FREE RIDE ...

The tax breaks carriers getting aren't even a drop in the bucket COMPARED TO THESE COSTS ...

Yet your all of a sudden WORRIED ABOUT THE MIDDLE CLASS TAXPAYER .. ..

And while were at it .. lets just keep going ...

If u had any clue about money .. you'd understand if Trump DID NOTHING ...

- all the jobs would be gone ... ALL OF THEM .... what part of that don't u understand? .. 800 people working is better than ZERO people working ... no? ....

- we would collect no taxes from Carrier ... NONE ... now .. when the details come out and were paying them money (and by that, i mean writing them a check) ... that changes the story .. TAX BREAKS and WRITING THEM A CHECK are two entirely different things ..

- we would not collect taxes from any of the EMPLOYEES that get to keep their jobs .. .

- we will not have to put those same folks on unemployment and in this economy ... soon to follow FOOD STAMPS, WELFARE ...

U either have no clue that 1 + 1 = 2 ..... or are just uninformed .. possibly both ...

What i really think this is .. is WAY OVER YOUR HEAD ... and i mean WAY OVER ...

Respond intelligenty for a change and give me answers to what i said above(weather i agree with them or not .. but adress them with more than liberal BS ... i think i know where your gonna go .. and if so .. it'll get shot out of the air just like your false ass "concern" for the middle class taxpayer) .. and i'll clue u in to what i actually think is going on here ...

That would really suck ... hospice is a great thing ... I've heard nothing but how great the program is and how compassionate and great the folks doing the work are ... unlike many areas of our "senior" care that should be blown up ..

Anyhow .. no offense intended here ... God Bless U man .. your a better man than I .. I could not do your job ...

Hopefully the fears of U and your fellow care givers aren't realized ... i'll be rooting for u ..

Trump will end growth-zapping fiscal austerity, says top economist who supported Clinton

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/01/trump-spe...inton-says.html

With that being said ...

- Do u belong to a union?

- do u believe in general unions are good for the country in the year 2016? .. i know in 1960 they were ABSOLUTELY 100% needed ... things have changed since then ...

What r your thoughts on today's unions? ...

There are 1400 workers at the MFG plant in Indiana. 600 will still loose their jobs. The bulk of Carrier mfg still goes to Mexico. Carrier is rewarded for moving. The precedence is set now. Corporations all over the U.S. will be lining up for their hand outs for moving more MFG jobs overseas.

Cheaper to do it elsewhere

Yeah, a great American company that without some kind of Gimme (bribe) they were moving jobs to Mexico.. A really GREAT American Company.....

I can't wait to find out what incentives were given to Carrier

REPORT: The Obama Administration is RAIDING MEDICARE ACCOUNTS To Feed Illegal Youths

Aleister Nov 30th, 2016

The Obama administration is now stealing money which was appropriated for services to help American citizens. And he’s using it to feed people who are in the country illegally.

Whose side is he on?

The Washington Examiner reports:

Feds cut $167 million in domestic programs to house, feed illegals for just 1 month

The Department of Health and Human Services is raiding several of its accounts, including money for Medicare, the Ryan White AIDS/HIV program and those for cancer and flu research to cover a shortfall in housing illegal youths pouring over the border at a rate of 255 a day.

HHS is trying to come up with $167 million to fund the Office of Refugee Resettlement that is accepting the youths, according to the Center for Immigration Studies.

Policy Director Jessica Vaughan said that insiders have told her that the funding crisis has forced the department to squeeze programs for money.

She just revealed on the CIS website:

“An average of 255 illegal alien youths were taken into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) every day this month, according to the latest figures the agency provided to Congress. This is the largest number of illegal alien children ever in the care of the federal government. To pay for it, the agency says it will need an additional one or two billion dollars for the next year – above and beyond the $1.2 billion spent in 2016 and proposed for 2017 – depending on how many more arrive.”

This is astounding. The Obama administration is doing this while the media is promising to be tough on Trump.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/...illegal-youths/

So you think that they should have done nothing, and let all of those jobs go to Mexico, and out all of those people out of work?

Negotiation is the art of the possible. Could they save every single job? No. Did they keep 1000 or so people from losing their jobs? Yep, sure did.

Would you rather that Carrier had just left the country instead, and that all of those people had been thrown out of work? Please tell me how you see the end result here. Is it good that 1000 or so US jobs were saved, or is that not worth the fact that not every single job could be saved?

It's great lip service.

I know you didn't ask me, but I've got mixed feelings on them. I feel people who want to get rid of them are WAY too trusting of businesses. Companies have been screwing people over from day 1, but somewhere along the line people had a change of heart and decided to overly romanticize businesses.

However, unions are lead by gangsters in suits. I don't trust them at all and never have. Both sides will screw people over when given the chance.

You may want to consider the source.. This sounds like a fake news article or at the very least a tilted one.

I didn't hear Trump saying anything about the 600 jobs lost making Oreos in the Chicago area?

Nice answer ... just proved what a WASTE OF TIME U ARE ...

Your a comedian, correct?

I'm not a union nurse. There are local hospital nurses that are unionized. My friend is one. Her healthcare benefits are better than mine. Her pay is better. I earn more vacation time.
I will say I've worked in a nursing facility where the CNA's (nursing aides) unionized. Their collective bargaining greatly improved their work loads, pay, and general benefits. It's sad but it's expensive to insure healthcare workers so we often get crappy benifits. Unions can help.
Are unions good actosss the board? I can't speak to that other than to say collective bargaining is a good way to keep corporations from abusing their employees for profit.

Why is that?

The truth doesn't fit his agenda .. either that or he doesn't understand that 800 folks keeping their jobs is better than ZERO folks keeping their jobs ..

Look at what he addressed in my post ... he "feigns" empathy with the poor middle class tax payer and the bill it will force them to foot .. meanwhile IGNORING everything else i laid out for him ....

WASTE OF TIME .... not interested in the TRUTH unless it fits in his nice little agenda box ...

Not a Trump factory but a general guide...
"Nike – the shoe company that produces those famous athletic shoes – set up factories in Indonesia because of the low wages there. Today, typical workers can earn the equivalent of around $3.50 per day, which for a six day work-week amounts to $21. This is equivalent to P861 per week (at P41 - $1), P3,444 per month."
http://www.philstar.com/business/2013/04...housand-workers
Because American worker want more than $3.50 a day. Bastards aren't we!!

I asked DaManIsHot why he felt Trump has his manufacturing done overseas ...

I'll pose the same question with a twist to U ...

Why does Trump and MANY OTHER COMPANIES do their manufacturing overseas and what roll do U think Unions play in it equation? ...

And just so u know .. i'm no fan of big business .. and I certainly don't romanticize it ..

I also bet u didn't know (witch is no shock to me .. what u don't know could fill the grand canyon ... ) that Nabisco CALLED trump and wants to talk to him ... i'm sure you and yours will spin it to "see, everyone wants the handout now" ... cause u have no idea what is actually going on here ...

NONE ... I gave Spiral a shot to get the answer .. but as usual he was too worried about defending his agenda than actually facing facts and god forbid .. LEARNING SOMETHING ...

Don't bother asking me for a link ... go use google .. it should come up ..

I belong to a union.

I hate it.

All it does is allow people at my job to not do anything, with no risk of ever being fired.

Is it that you are trying to lead me down a particular path or something?

Labor is more expensive in the US..

Well considering that unions in the U.S. are pretty much dead... 0% I think the stats say that only 10% of the private sector is unionized. Factories pretty much got rid of them after the recession. If anything is to blame it's child labor laws and the minimum wage. Both of which are absent in the developing countries.

Thanks for the response ... I don't know a ton about the health care field and how unions either hurt or benefit it ...

One thing i do know about it .. at least for now ... nurses are in short supply .. will be interesting to see how that changes after the baby boomers die off and over the last 5 years or so .. many many more colleges offer nursing courses and U can get your nursing degrees in them ... WAY MORE ...

Please help me learn some more ....

What is the difference between a CNA and a nurse ...

Why did u choose to be a hospice nurse? ...

The "quotes" in this thread are starting to make my head spin .. *L* ... want to try and keep things somewhat seperate also .. will respond to your other post in a minute ...

Thaks for answering my questions .. appreciatte it ..

CNA's wash butts, change diapers, feed invalids and do all the dirty work, and nurses give meds. When I worked at the nursing home, the nurses never left the nurses station.

Ya .. that and the fact questions open up dialogue and get more people involved ... just cause i act like an ass 98% of the time doesn't mean I don't know what i'm doing ... .....

Were almost home ... answer this question and then we should be able to open up the can of worms ...

WHY is it less expensive in Mexico or overseas in comparision to the US? ...

Why do u think its more expensive? ...

What?
Oreos are made in Chicago,I'll never eat another one.
Who am I kidding.
Is baking an Oreo cookie even considered a mfg.job?
Here's an article that gives a reason for the great Oreo shift.But you are not going to agree with the premise.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/18/how-us-sugar-policies-just-helped-america-lose-600-jobs/

Why do u think unions were "minimized" after the depression? .. and witch depression? ..

Child labor laws where? ...

FYI ... Nabisco called him ... u may be able to eat and oreo again soon ... *L* ...

Thanks for the input ...

May i ask what union you belong to? ...

JC

So from my understanding Trump gave them tax breaks to stay. Now If all big corporations threaten to move their operations overseas, do we give them tax breaks?
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Bernie Sanders: Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump



Today, about 1,000 Carrier workers and their families should be rejoicing. But the rest of our nation’s workers should be very nervous.

President-elect Donald Trump will reportedly announce a deal with United Technologies, the corporation that owns Carrier, that keeps less than 1,000 of the 2,100 jobs in America that were previously scheduled to be transferred to Mexico. Let’s be clear: It is not good enough to save some of these jobs. Trump made a promise that he would save all of these jobs, and we cannot rest until an ironclad contract is signed to ensure that all of these workers are able to continue working in Indiana without having their pay or benefits slashed.

In exchange for allowing United Technologies to continue to offshore more than 1,000 jobs, Trump will reportedly give the company tax and regulatory favors that the corporation has sought. Just a short few months ago, Trump was pledging to force United Technologies to “pay a damn tax.” He was insisting on very steep tariffs for companies like Carrier that left the United States and wanted to sell their foreign-made products back in the United States. Instead of a damn tax, the company will be rewarded with a damn tax cut. Wow! How’s that for standing up to corporate greed? How’s that for punishing corporations that shut down in the United States and move abroad?

In essence, United Technologies took Trump hostage and won. And that should send a shock wave of fear through all workers across the country.

Trump has endangered the jobs of workers who were previously safe in the United States. Why? Because he has signaled to every corporation in America that they can threaten to offshore jobs in exchange for business-friendly tax benefits and incentives. Even corporations that weren’t thinking of offshoring jobs will most probably be re-evaluating their stance this morning. And who would pay for the high cost for tax cuts that go to the richest businessmen in America? The working class of America.

Let’s be clear. United Technologies is not going broke. Last year, it made a profit of $7.6 billion and received more than $6 billion in defense contracts. It has also received more than $50 million from the Export-Import Bank and very generous tax breaks. In 2014, United Technologies gave its former chief executive Louis Chenevert a golden parachute worth more than $172 million. Last year, the company’s five highest-paid executives made more than $50 million. The firm also spent $12 billion to inflate its stock price instead of using that money to invest in new plants and workers.

Does that sound like a company that deserves more corporate welfare from our government? Trump’s Band-Aid solution is only making the problem of wealth inequality in America even worse.

I said I would work with Trump if he was serious about the promises he made to members of the working class. But after running a campaign pledging to be tough on corporate America, Trump has hypocritically decided to do the exact opposite. He wants to treat corporate irresponsibility with kid gloves. The problem with our rigged economy is not that our policies have been too tough on corporations; it’s that we haven’t been tough enough.

We need to re-instill an ethic of corporate patriotism. We need to send a very loud and clear message to corporate America: The era of outsourcing is over. Instead of offshoring jobs, the time has come for you to start bringing good-paying jobs back to America.

If United Technologies or any other company wants to keep outsourcing decent-paying American jobs, those companies must pay an outsourcing tax equal to the amount of money it expects to save by moving factories to Mexico or other low-wage countries. They should not receive federal contracts or other forms of corporate welfare. They must pay back all of the tax breaks and other corporate welfare they have received from the federal government. And they must not be allowed to reward their executives with stock options, bonuses or golden parachutes for outsourcing jobs to low-wage countries. I will soon be introducing the Outsourcing Prevention Act, which will address exactly that.

If Donald Trump won’t stand up for America’s working class, we must.

link

OOOPS .... actually I'm wrong ... scrap that ... i mis-took sumptin ... my bad ...

I apologize to al the Oreo boycotters out there ... ;( ..

The flip side of that is because 95% of Americans won't spend $50 on a shirt made here if they can get a very similar shirt for $30 made somewhere else.

Pepsi, Teamsters something something. Warehouse.

Sorry, repression. And because they were forced out. But again, they don't control federal minimum wage laws or child labor laws.

What do you mean Child Labor laws where? In the US they have them. In developing countries, where these jobs are being shipped, they don't have child labor laws. Which is a labor group that's marginalized very easy. Since you're feeling so socratic, I have a question for you. What power do you think today's unions have on the aforementioned policies? Do you think it's unions which represent 9% of the working force, or common sense that keeps wage laws and child labor laws intact? Why do you think corporations are moving to Mexico? The weather?

Get ready for all these "American" corporations who hide their taxes offseas make great deals for themselves. I know they cannot wait to get to Trump's first 100 days.

Thanks ... do u know if the pepsi manufacting plant employees are unionized? ...