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Who thinks this?

We don't know that some efforts aren't being made to tweak a little here and there. I am sure everybody has looked back and saw somethings that stood out as a "opps". We will get there

Some people. I don't keep names in a book to catalog their thoughts. Acclaim is rather meaningless in real life. Doubly so on an online message board.

Anyway, to keep it on discussion, I want to share a quote by Gregg Popovich, who IMO is the greatest basketball coach ever. Here is his thoughts on how to build a thriving organization.



http://www.businessinsider.com/warriors-gm-bob-myers-inspired-by-gregg-popovich-quote-2015-12

I really think that we're moving towards this system. Where nothing is off limits to discussion.

I don't know exactly what you just said, but I have not heard people talking about "blowing things up."

Lets hope it leads us to where we all want to go

I still say letting Harbaugh slip through the cracks -- not closing the deal.

Championship Coach and a Championship Quarterback. Until then, we are swimming against the tide. Pretty simple.

Harbaugh has offered both everywhere he's been. Even when he has very little at Quarterback he seems to work miracles with them. Hue "the quarterback whisperer"?

Jimmy had a small window to turn everything around for something like a reported 3rd round pick. He didn't close the deal.

You snooze you lose.

The curse of Paul Brown and Art Modell lives.

I like your positive stuff and don't like it when people immediately dismiss good points like this as homerism.

But, EO, the thread is about our takes on his biggest mistake. I don't want to turn this into a Harbaugh thread, but ... not closing that deal is something that is huge, absolutely enormous to me. If he refuses to leave the Harbaugh's living room until that deal is closed our football world is turned around. I believe that. I'm am so out of touch that I actually believe that Jim Harbaugh is the only current guy who has b_ _ ls big enough to turn this around. I don't believe Saban could do it if we got him. No other current guy has what it takes. As I've said, and will repeat again, we need someone who can coach Paul Brown's ghost right off the field and into Lake Erie.

You don't touch on "Championship Coach, Championship Quarterback"

I don't see any hope if we ignore this point. To me its simple.

The front office, analytics, Pilot, Dee, yada, yada...

You guys talk about football and football people. Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson, Don Shula, Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, ....

Ray Farmer would have lasted about two weeks before Harbaugh would have ... (never mind)

Jimmy had his shot. He let it slip.

No front office guy is going to turn the Cleveland Browns around. We need an exceptional leader. A football legend. A brilliant football guy,

I can only answer that question by saying, at that time, I was stunned that he actually acted like he would come. I was surprised at how he seemed to be open to it. Then, once I looked at him, it made sense.

He is an oldschool Ohio born coach.

He is a football guy. Plain and simple. He understands what the Cleveland Browns were and probably watched a lot of what happened after. If you're a football coach there is no bigger mountain to climb than this one.

He understood that a place to make his mark would be to turn around the Browns. Nobody else can do it. His freakin ego is big enough to where he probably believes he could do it. I actually believe he may be the one guy on the earth who would really would want to do it. I think, he may think, he's up for the challenge. (He wasup for the challenge.

I do not think it ever would have gotten out, not to the degree it did, if there wasn't fire near the smoke. At the time, the optics were that he was willing to come here but his wife shot it down. That is the way it was presented to us.

I think the punch in the mouth fistfight he would have had with his brother twice a year is actually a positive for guys wired like he, his brother, and his Dad are. Yea, I think he may be the one guy who actually thought him coaching the Browns and fighting it out with the ratbirds (and the steelroids) would be cool. It would have been great drama, great for the AFC North, great for the AFC.

Jim Harbaugh may end up being a football coaching legend. If he had come here and got us into a Super Bowl, he would have assured it. And, he knows it. He knows that if he turned this around, every coach shaking his hand after games would realize that they couldn't have done it. They just don't have the grit. I think he has the grit and a number of other qualities. Ultimately ... the dude is a winner.

Happy Birthday!

I said it was a concern after hearing Haslams opening press conference and giving it some thought.

Haslam never "built a product" before. He only marketed a product. Fuel, the actual product, was a product which he purchased. Let's face it, whether it's Speedway, Murphy Oil, Pilot or any other fuel location, they bought the product, which is the fuel. Their only job is to make their business attractive so that is where we stop to buy the fuel. Marketing.

Buying an NFL team where you actually have to build a winning product is quite foreign to someone whose experience is in marketing an existing product.

He was out of his element from the beginning. Over his head. And secondly, he has not had the fortitude to stick with a plan to build a team. You can't build a winning team by changing coaching staffs and FO's as often as you change your underwear.

I remember that post.

I thought it was a great point.

I agree with your post Pitt.. Although I am happy that the coaching situation has worked out how it has, because now we have Hue. We aren't winning, but the guys actually like playing for him. Glad he's here. Just gotta get more talent, and be more consistent too. And Hue has work to do as well with the offensive game plan. Always room for improvement.