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This team is arguably the worst team in history. No improvement - zero - in 14 weeks. If anything, they're worse now.

Two weeks to prepare for this game and all Hue showed was that he knows jack-squat about game planning.

Play calling is just plain stupid at least three times a game.

Horton's D, which started to show a glimmer of promise the last two games, showed up empty-headed and unprepared to play.

RG3 plain can't throw. When he completes a pass it's like the proverbial blind squirrel finding a nut.

The team as a whole looks weak and slow. We were way overmatched by a 4-7-1 team.

Crow, Ogbah, Kirksey, Collins, Boddy-Calhoun, and ironically the O-line were the only bright spots.

The penalties, still happening on practically every return, should be grounds for dismissal.

I hate watching this team, and believe I'm an idiot for sitting in front of the tube for three hours. I give thanks I didn't pay for season tickets. All I see is ineptitude everywhere, in every aspect, every week. Sad, pathetic, disgusting.

it honestly might be the worst team in NFL history

I hate starting this way, but after reading the posts on this thread............will y'all stop bashing Hue? What did you expect? You defended the FO getting rid of some of our best players. You defended them not signing quality FAs. You defended them trading down in the draft. You defended blowing things up and starting over. Now, we are losing and you blame the coaching? WTH!!!!

Oh, and geniuses, this is one of the main reasons why I have said the plan had serious issues. Not to mention...........did you see the empty seats in the stadium today?

I'll be back in a bit to talk about the game, but man, y'all kill me.

Additional thought on the play calling today...

The Browns tried a pass to Danny Vitale against the Giants, he was wide open and dropped it.

What does Hue do? Dial up another pass play to Vitale on the goal line this week. Result...he drops it.

Yikes.

That was not a bad call. Come on, man!

That was a great play call, he catches that (one of the best passes thrown all day) and he's a hero.

Would've put Duke or Crow in that spot, they've had more game time to develop some receiving ability.

An eight year old should have caught that pass. Goodness.

shades of Memphis Brownie fav player Owen Marecic

owen marecic was literally the worst player I've ever seen

For clarification, the play call was sound...the personnel used was the problem. The guy just dropped a wide open pass in the last game!

Alright.........about the game:

--I thought the running game would be better now that Cody is history. It was.

--Crow ran very well. He should have gotten more carries.

--The OL played very well. I was impressed w/Pazstor and Cooper for most of the game. I hope we don't draft an offensive lineman high.

--Pryor twists off in every game. Shut the hell up.

--Collins showed his athleticism. He is big and fast. Nice combo.

--Kirksey was silent today.

--Haden had a nice game.

--I. Campbell stinks!

--RGIII ...........sigh.........man, he was inaccurate. Throws either sailed or nose-dived into the turf. He couldn't even see open receivers. How did he miss seeing Barnidge and Hawkins [I think] wide open in the flat area and instead pull it down and run. His reads suck. He did show some heart, but man, it ain't looking good.

--Does Cooper offer anything to the D? He stinks?

--Our team D is soooooooooo slow. Did you see that early reverse? Man, it was like we were running w/ankle weights. LOL.........that is for you older guys. You know what I mean.

--Ogbah flashed on some plays, but man, he didn't set the edge very well.

--Nassib doesn't set the edge at all.

--Wonder what Jimmy thinks of all the empty seats? Methinks the plan is stupid because the coaching staff will take the blame and they will end up getting fired next year and we will be starting over yet again.

Pfffttttttttttttttt

Have to say it again...it's just amazing that our last win (1 year ago) was with the loser party boy Manziel.

Nassib does not transition to this level.
he's not strong enough to get blocks

Ogbah would make a nice 3rd down Rusher

Kirksey is over rated
yeah he racks up the tackles he fails to.drive Rbs backwards or even string out the play

Pryor is fools gold.in today's NFL it's not hard to get 1,000 yards receiving out of your number 1.

the Browns have no guys that can flip the field or get the ball past the 30 on a return

Did Shelton once clean up Hill behind the LOS?

Nassib has been dead silent
Schobert gets his named called once a game
Campbell is atrocious
Was Reynolds hurt?
Our LBs are so slow ... and that's after an improved Collins
Cooper seemed to be okay at Guard? No/Yes?
Coleman seems so slight to me ... it's like he can't use any strength to fend off DBs

He took his eyes off the bal l.. u could see it on the replay ... good play call ... bad execution ...

Now way should Hue get fired .. NO WAY .. and he won't ...

But he has not been a good play caller ... not even close .. when Crow broke his first big yardage carry in the 3rd Q ... it was his 5th carry ... 5th carry ... that's BRUTAL ...

Hue has just stopped trying to run the ball .. NO CLUE WHY ...

Do you realize that talk like that is exactly the reason why they will fire him next year?

Do you not freaking realize that Vince Lombardi could not win w/this talent?

God, the FO gets a free pass and Hue gets the blame. You guys amaze me!!!

He seems hell bent on getting cute with the play calling than going with what was working. A team that has the QBs that this one does and who was running the ball like that, the play calling was head scratching and I hate when every loss is blamed on play calling, but it just doesn't make sense. Go with what's working...it's not rocket science and don't try to make it that way. It's all about the ego.

Cooper - I didn't notice him today. Wondered if Nassib was even playing until I saw him on the field in the fourth quarter.

This defence needs two impact players in the draft next season. I mean , we need more than two, but I'd settle for that many in the '17 draft.

I'll chime in with Vers about the fans getting on Hue Jackson. It's unfair, although versatile predicted before the season started that it would happen: fans impatient, overlook the lack of talent, calling for heads.
I wish our rookies would flash more, but they are still rookies. Expectations need to be tempered.

Not noticing Cooper might be a good thing as an OL

Xavier Copper we was referring to.

oh I forgot he was even existing

Since when is expecting to win 1 game an unreasonable expectation?

Vers ... i've said this team would have been lucky to win 4 games if they had ...

HC - Vince ..
OC - Walsh
DC - Billicheck ..

I said that pre-season .. before the season and more than once since the season started ..

I do not give the FO a free pass .. i love the plan but am VERY VERY WORRIED they have NO CLUE how to execute .. i've said i HATE THIS FO ...

But I'm sorry man .. i'm not giving Hue a free pass .. i'm simply not ..

He has made MAJOR MISTAKES starting with the Miami game and the taking a knee with a TO left ... his time mgmt. SUCKS ... and he has abounded the run .. hell, today it looked like he was FORCED into using it ...

Sorry man .. i'm suppose to keep my mouth shut cause somehow talk like that will get him fired ...

I think the amount of fans at today's game will go ALOT FURTHER in his and the FO's demise than me ..

And Vers .. I've said it a MILLION TIMES ... our THIEVING, SCUMBAG owner is the problem ...

Hue will survive the year and next year we should be a 6 or 7 win team ... if not .. don't blame me or us ..

BLAME THE HEAD OF THE SNAKE ...

Hue being a inexperienced HC is only as good as his assistants under him
Horton is not totally responsible for the defense getting their rear ends handed to them week in week out but he's not the solution
Belichek wouldn't be as successful without his assistants
Tomlin has great assistants

Well, I was solidly on the "Wait and see how he does." train with RG3, but I think we've seen enough.
The crossing route behind the LBs killed us again.
The play calling was questionable at best. I don't pretend to know enough to be an NFL head coach, but when Crowell is averaging 11 yards per carry, you line up in the power I and just ram it down their throat. The most success in the passing game came off the play-action pass, but it loses all effect when you give up on the run.
Are we planning on keeping Ogbah at DE? If so, and we draft Garrett, where does that put Nassib? Seems like we would do better, in that scenrio, to pick Allen and line him up at DT alongside Shelton. An interior duo like that can eat up 3 OL, and leave nice big gaps for LBs to crash in.
I try to be positive, but even I'm getting a little down about the schemes and play calling.

I don't see how Haslam has any effect on winning or losing. All the owner does is hire people and write checks.

The owner doesn't call plays, pick players, or touch a football.

Can you blame him for hiring the front office? Sure. Can you blame him for the hiring of the coach? Sure. Can you blame him for the performance of the front office/coaching staff/players? If you say you can, it's a tenuous connection at best.

You may hate him, but there's no way you can pin the losing season on him without indicting everyone he's hired at the same time, because all he did was hire them.

The problem is that when guys like me and mac get on the FO, there are all kinds of posters telling us how dumb we are. You don't often chime in. Yet, you blast Hue weekly.

You guys are clueless if you think Hue is responsible for this team's record. I expected more from you. How many time have you seen this stupid movie?

We bring in new guys and there is a roster upheaval. Duds like Louis, Campbell, Kindred, Payton, make the team.........and we lose quality guys like Gipson, Schwartz, Benji, Gabriel, etc.

It's so freaking stupid. But yeah, let's ignore all of that and bash Hue and coaching staff each and every week and let homers like Dep, Willie, and tab slam anyone who questions our moves.

Sound freaking thinking, bro!!!

When you're this bad, no group is blameless.

You can separate out the poor talent from the coaching.

The talent is poor. The FO is responsible for that.

The coaching of the poor talent is poor. Hue is responsible for that. The play calling is abysmal.

It's just a whole rotten stinking mess. And there is no light at the end of the tunnel. I think Milk said it best ... you can't even start a rebuild until you have a QB. We don't have a QB and it's not exactly looking like we will have one next year either.

It's just all so very, very bad.

1. RGIII had problems.. not sure if it was rust.. weather.. gloves/no gloves ( I think I saw him go both ways ). Sometimes he looked good, but most times the ball either sailed or landed at someone's feet.

2. Overall.. The OL looked decent. I was surprised, but was the reason they looked decent because they were, or was it because RGIII can save himself when the OL makes mistakes.

3. Crowell and Johnson looked good. There were holes to run through and both made good plays. Once again.. was this because the OL opened holes for them, or was it because the threat a very mobile QB poses and Cincy's D was reacting to the outside and contain on RGIII. Would those same holes have been there if Kessler, Hogan or McCown been playing ?

4. I was impressed with the Defensive Sacks. Pass rush showed up. The D did their job, but were on the field entirely too much. Cincy got 20 points in the first half, primarily off field position, and only 3 points in the second.

Maybe we need to continue with the Look/See on RGIII. Just to see if he can improve. The threat of a mobile QB seems to be what Hue is attempting to build the team around, but receivers need the ball in their hands.. not at their feet or sailing way out of their reach.

I think Hue took on too much. I have never been a fan of the HC being the play caller. The HC should have the overview of the game and the play caller focused on the detail. In general, I think it is too much for one person to do both in today's NFL.

Exemplified by Hue's play calling today but not a Hue problem. I see this in a lot of coaches around the NFL. Something is working and looks unstoppable (today the inside run) then all of a sudden and inexplicably they go away from it.

We are slow and weak on defense. Nassib looks small out there. We get pushed around. We have no attitude out there. We can't stop the run.

Our oline looked pretty good. Our Rb's looked pretty good. Qb was terrible and therefore the receivers looked bad. Can this offense actually be good if we had a decent Qb Where do we find that decent Qb? Jimmy G? Glennon? Draft pick? I think we make a play for AJ McCarron. He knows Hue's offense. Hue knows what he can do. I doubt the bengals would trade him to us even if we over pay. I would like Webb or Mahomes on day 2 of the draft but think we need a solid veteran as well.

No way Collins or Pryor resign of their own free will. To keep them we will need to franchise tag one. Unfortunately we cannot franchise both. Which do we pick?

I think this tweet about sums things up:

Twitter Video Link

The team being so behind in talent is why with four wins I STILL wouldn't fire him.

And forgot to ask. Does the defense realize that the TE, despite lining up with the linemen is actually allowed to run down field and catch passes?

Yeah, the replay on Eifert's second TD had me yelling at the TV. The way those guys ran from him, it was like they owed him money. Or he'd just gotten sprayed by a skunk.

I've probably said it over 300 times this year during our games: opposing teams ABUSE our LB's and S's with their TE's ... it's like their #1 bullet point on the game plan

It's been a huge problem all season. TEs have owned us.

Did you see the stats they put up comparing them to the '08 Lions? It was frighteningly similar almost to the tee.

Yeah saw the graphic. lol, our sack differential is spot on for 0-16!!

hypothetical question
who's a better qb now
Johnny Manziel or RG3?

After we've seen a few more games we can answer that question. this is RG's first game back, so let's see a little more on him.

I'll say this about the two of them now, RG is a better 'guy' than Manziel. At least we don't have to worry about him not showing up to practice drunk, or any of that mess.

So we'll see, once he's had 'more time with the #1's' as we say.