DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jimmy Garoppolo trade to the Browns...rumor

Garoppolo also has risks. He only has one year on his contract and no one knows what he is.

If the price is right, then yes, we should trade for Garoppolo. But just because you have money [picks] doesn't mean you should be spending it [them]. Overspending is never good.

I'd assume if we traded for Jimmy, we'd only agree to it with a contract extension

Since this thread is strictly rumor, have been hearing that the deal is in place its for 1st pick in round 2 and a 3rd rounder. I highly doubt anything to it right now but that is one of the ones that is floating around out there.

I'd be willing to trade our Philly pick back from wherever it is (8 to 11), into the late teens, maybe picking up another second rounder. Then trading that late teens pick for JG. It'd buy us an extra pick and a starting QB that way.

There's no way you can offer a first or early second for Jimmy G. I don't know why the media keeps saying he's worth a first, besides the moronic Sam Bradford trade that happened earlier this year.

There's two very simple parts to how much Jimmy G is worth ....

1. What Bill Billicheck decides is the floor on Jimmy G's value ... is the least he will take for him a 3rd ... a 2nd .. a 1st ... thats the only thing that matters is the value Bill puts on him ...

2. This one is to a small extent ... The contract Jimmy G would want to sign for after the trade ... ..... A deal he agreed to sign would have to be in place before i gave up any of my picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft .... so in that sense he has a small say ... if your willing to give up a 1st or 2nd rounder for him .. the contract more than likely wouldn't be a big deal ... but i'd want it agreed to and in place ...

Who knows the value Bill puts on him ... it could be a wide range depending on how comfie he feels about Brissett being Brady's only back up next year ... there gonna be SB contenders again next year ....

Its the most interesting question of the upcoming trade season .... we'll have to get through FA first unless someone comes in with a blow me away offer right out of the gate IMO .. then the fun will begin as soon as the draft becomes the main focus of everyone ....

He's a free agent with one year left on his deal. That is a gigantic red flag and makes him not worth the first round pick. If you do trade for him, you're giving up a cornerstone piece for your franchise, then you have two options during your double down, franchise him at the end of the season and pay him the avg of the top 5 QB contracts, or sign him to a long term deal at 15-20 mil a year (Glock Osweiler gets paid around ~15 mil). So already you're giving up a top prospect and a boat load of money to a QB, who hasn't looked spectacular during his 2 starts. That's a steep price in a multi-year investment. It's also extremely artificial and has no basis in reality. It's no where near the fair value for him. This market is a bubble brought on by the draft and nothing else. It's built entirely on speculation. Right now, no trades can be made until next season begins, so this allows the media to speculate and inflate his price despite having zero basis and rationale. It's all hearsay. When draft day arrives and trades are allowed to happen again, Jimmy G's value will be at it's peak, but every passing pick, his trade value begins to drop rapidly. If he is not traded by the start of the second day of the draft[1], his market value would have plummeted. And that's the thing about Jimmy G's market value, it's volatile and built on the idea that it's the seller's market. This isn't the case however. It's a buyer's market for Jimmy G. If the Patriots want to recoup any value from their draft selection of Jimmy G, then they have to trade him this draft as they'll never get this opportunity again. He's free to leave after this season, and unless the Patriots want to commit ~15 mil a year for him, while not having the cap to do so, then they will have received nothing of value from a second round pick. That is why I believe that our Titans pick and a conditional 3rd next year, would be more than an appropriate price for, IMO, the best QB prospect in the draft this year. Because that is what he is. A prospect, despite being in the league for three years.


[1]Now there's always a chance that that some team does trade a first round pick for him, as GM's are always desperate to show how smart they are in attempts to keep their jobs. If that happens, well good luck to them. History shows that doesn't work out very well. Look at the Redskins after they traded the farm for RG3. And that could have been much worse had they not invested in Kirk Cousins in that same draft.

And if Bill's floor is too high for 31 NFL teams, Jimmy G's value becomes zero at the end of the next year. So there are more than just two values.

Of course we have the cart a couple of steps ahead of the horse here. If the Pats win the SB and Brady decides he wants to call it a career and leave, like Peyton, a SB champion, then unless Bill doesn't think JG has it, he'll be starting next year.

Indeed. But that doesn't sound like something Tom Brady will do... Unless he got too used to sun bathing with Giselle during his suspension. Brady seems like one of those hyper competitive guys like Michael Jordan, Peyton Manning and Kobe. The type who gives it their all until their body can't take it anymore. Barring any unforeseen injury, I don't see Brady calling it quits anytime soon. I believe he's even set his diet and workout plans until the age of 45.

Sounds too rich to me. At that asking price, better be some performance conditions included. But this move would open up a lot of draft building options where we need scads of better players.
I liked him before. I would favor some proven success to another developmental crap shoot. Not convinced RG3 is our answer, just because he is so fragile.

With a sign and trade in place and a contract similar to kaep with very little guaranteed I could get behind this. I'm not enamoured with any rook this year and I did think Jimmy had promise coming out.

If he was an early second/worth a first coming out, and has studied under Brady for three years, I don't understand why we would not be interested in trading one of our two firsts for him. The people saying this may be the same ones that say every year "There's no QB worth our top pick in this draft." If that is how Sashi thinks, we are never going to have a legit NFL quarterback.
Miles Garrett and Jimmy G for the first round and two picks in second sounds pretty good to me.

When he was drafted he also had a cheap contract with four years on it.

I can't believe there are people who want to give up a top fifteen pick (at worst) for a QB with two career starts and one year left on his contract.

(I actually can believe it, it is just not very rational thinking.)

That I cannot get behind. I am willing to give up 33 and change at most.

I can't believe you wanted to draft Goff w/the second overall pick.

I'd take Jimmy G all day, every day over a chump like Goff.

I think a lot of fans don't get the big picture.

--There isn't a qb in the draft that is better than Jimmy G.

--The Browns have a surplus of picks.

--The Browns have a ton of needs.

--The Browns need a qb.

--Trading a couple of picks for Jimmy G and using the other picks to bolster the roster makes perfect sense.

--I think many of you are very short-sighted and are unable to think outside the box.

Give me garrett and Jimmy G and then some major o-line picks in the second round and maybe third and I will show you a playoff team and a contender for the division in 2018. Might even have a decent year next year.

But that is 2 keystones of the future locked up and taken care of for the next decade.

I wanted Jimmy coming out. I think mourgh was the other one. I would have no problem trading for him. But I would want a sign and trade inplace.

Yeah, we would have to agree to the contract extension before I would make the trade.

My biggest thing with Jimmy coming out was that he'd need time to assimilate. He wasn't ready and he came from low competition. Actually very similar to wentz now that I think about it.

Every FO has that guy that they hitch their wagon to. I can't recall a time a FO invested franchise qb level assets in a qb who failed and kept their job. That said if sashi and hue think Jimmy could be our guy I support that. Not because it's surely right but really I don't have a choice.

But on the side of support I remember Jimmy very clearly coming out. Very similar situation to wentz honestly. Low competition level, all the tools and a long gestation period. Not exactly the kind of guy the Browns can bet on with 1st round type value when our past FO feared for their jobs.

But then he goes to NE. Learns and sparingly plays but performs well under the best football minds at qb and head coach.

Like many have said already he has the tools, he's had the time, he's cheaper than a 1st round room in a horrid class and this trade would free us to really attack this draft. Some argue the money but if they deem this our best chance at qb they are hitching their wagon and the money becomes a minimal issue.

I've heard 33 and our 3rd. I think that realistic fair market imo. So we still have 1, 10ish and 45ish? Man would I be excited! We could finish the front 7 and still get a dB or center and this doesn't even include free agency. Not to mention we still have a full draft plus the Eagles 2nd next year. It's not like most qb trades where teams break the assets bank.

fwiw, you can't sign and trade in the NFL, as the team who is trading the player would have to eat a lot of dead money. Well, you can sign and trade in the NFL if the team who is trading the player wants to eat a lot of dead money.

I have a few thoughts on Jimmy G and most were made before the draft. I remember Razor really pimping the guy and I did my best to study him.

Here are some notes I wrote down on him before the draft:

Strengths:

--Very quick release

--Above average arm strength

--Good accuracy at every level of the field

--Very good pocket presence

--Nice delivery. It's pretty much how you coach it, despite what some reports say

--Can throw bullets and w/touch

--Has very good vision

--Smart qb. Reads defenses pre and post snap


Concerns/Weaknesses:

--Will force ball into tight coverages. That might work at his level in college, but speed of NFL defensive players might turn those throws into picks

--Didn't take a ton of snaps under center

--Will hold the ball too long at times. Not always, but at times he waits too long trying to make a big play

--Needs 2-3 years of experience before seeing the field in the NFL.

I feel like in the last 5 years I've seen a time or two where the trade was contingent on the player signing a new deal though. Anobody else?

From your notes vers one could be hopeful every weakness listed is manageable with experience.

Yeah, you're probably right.

My biggest concern w/him at the time was how he would force the ball into tight windows. It's great when it works and it often did in college, but NFL guys are so fast.

With that said...........I'd make the trade. We have plenty of picks. This year's QB class sucks in my opinion. We could load up on defensive players and maybe get our qb of the future.

It's not a sure thing, but it's something I would not have a problem with.

If this is true, I trade our second first round pick all day long and throw in the 4th. This is an absolute no brainer, which means the FO won't do it. That is the most glowing review I've ever seen of a college prospect on this board.

I frigging hate this team.

Is it too much to ask to get a frigging QB to build around no matter the cost? Is it too much to ask?

Yeah as one team will scope him up. But give him credit for patience in New England. It is just about the timing.

Well..................to keep it real..........it was just my pre-draft opinion.

It was a good and fair review of Jimmy G. I wanted him to be able to sit a year and get up to NFL speed if we drafted him. Now he is used to NE's system so who knows how long it takes him to learn a new system. I know he is a sponge when it comes to studying though. All his coaches loved how much he studied the game on his own.

I'd take him all day long and give him whatever we need to pay him so the team has to go all in on him. He is light years better than anything we have had since the return. It would be nice to actually enjoy watching the games instead of grinding my teeth ^^

Indeed. Desperation is a funny thing.

*Note, JG was knocked out after two starts.

This should be a 2 horse race between what we think of Garappolo and what we think of Trubisky.

I'm the biggest proponent of getting a damn QB in here. And it's crazy to think you need to build the team first. You don't pass on a QB because of that. You strike when you get the opportunity. And continue to build the team.

One thing I would NOT do is extend him prematurely. It would SUCK to be Osweiler and Houston part 2. Let him play the 2017 season and utilize the Franchise Tag if need be if he pans out and looks like your future. THEN you work the long term deal at 18+M a year. Cause that's what it will take.

Trade for him if we must, but I don't give NE either of our 1st round picks. 33 and anything else is fine by me.

Sign a CB. I want Gilmore. He needs to get OUT of Buffalo.

Get.

Garrett and Adams or Hooker. There's your Pass Rush and Coverage help.

Then FIND one of these 290+ Defensive Tackles that are STOUT at occupying OLmen. There's your Run Support.

I'd rather develop Kessler. Considering he was a rookie thrown into the line of fire with this rather weak oline, he did well.

Groom your own, and build the team around him with those picks. Not saying that he's the future, but you can't give up on a guy after one season, in which he wasn't supposed to play at all, and under crappy conditions.

I hope I never have to watch Cody Kessler play another game for the Browns again.

He doesn't have it. Watching him play is like having your fingernails pulled out. The process is long and painful.