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I'm with you. I'm re-watching the game now. In the 'post game thoughts' thread I stated that he was AWFUL. I can change that assessment from awful to not-good-at-all...which is better, I guess.

Yes ... praise the lord for sending us our savior RG3 ... praise the lord ... cause he was the sole reason we won yesterday ... ...

If it wsn't for RG3 no way could we have won that game ... now way ...

HE STINKS!!!!

Bye bye ...

And i'd take Cody in a heartbeat over RG3 ... a heartbeat ... and i've said Cody is going to be a decent back up ... so it's not like i think he's anything special ...

Difference is ... Cody is young and can develop .. we know who RG3 is ...

I had no probs with the RG3 experiment this year .. there was nothing else out there ... he FAILED ... if were gonna roll the dice again I'd rather it be with someone else this time ..

I would actually much rather see what Cody can do in year 2 ... he should have a much better grasp on being an nfl qb .... he should be able to "anticipate" open recievers much better .. if he can do that he'll be serviceable and if u want to build a giant type D around him you'd have a shot ... if not, career back up ..

RG3 is young too.

you're talking about him as if he's on the other side of 30. he's only 26.

RG3 can still develop.

and the last two games he clearly showed he can still ball out. as a matter of fact, i have better faith in RG3 coming back to form than i do Cody developing to be a backup who can win a few games.

cause guess what? RG3 got us a W, and cody didn't.

I don't know if RG3 (or as I sometimes accidentally type RG#) can develop anymore? I think through the years he has obviously regressed, not progressed as a player. There was a reason no one else wanted him. God, I feel bad saying that, but it's the truth.

But then there's the what if's: What if we had a good, solid O line? What if we had receivers who managed to get open more often? What if he could he learn to read defenses better?

I know he gets injured a lot.

And I won't be surprised if he's not here next season.



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If Parkey could have made just one of three missed FGs, Kessler would have QB'd a win over the Dolphins. It didn't happen, but that wasn't Kessler's fault.

if Kessler would've scored TD's instead of relying on the kicker, we would've won the game.

we can go round and round all day. but at the end of it, RG3 won, and McCown, Kessler didn't.

Kessler won't ever be anything more than a backup. and look, i rode with this dude from the beginning. but that's just the reality.

So i choose to roll with the guy who's led his team to the playoffs, and also lead us to a win.

again, I'm not saying RG3 is the answer. but come next season, if the FO decides to not go after Watson/Trubisky/Kelly, then RG3 is starting over Kessler all day everyday.

Browns notebook: QB Robert Griffin III in concussion protocol, coach Hue Jackson says he’d more than likely start finale if healthy


By Nate Ulrich
Beacon Journal sports writer
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Although the Browns finally won a game this past weekend, it certainly doesn’t mean their quarterback situation is suddenly stable.

Browns coach Hue Jackson spoke Monday as if he would like to give quarterback Robert Griffin III his fourth consecutive start to end the season, but it might not be possible.

Griffin remains in the NFL’s concussion protocol, so rookie Cody Kessler could receive the starting nod for Sunday’s season finale at the Pittsburgh Steelers.
“There is a possibility [Kessler] may have to [start],” Jackson said during a conference call. “But we will go through the week and see where Robert is and kind of go from there and then determine that decision.”

Would Griffin start if he’s medically cleared in time for the game?

“More than likely yes, but again, I just need to see where he totally is,” Jackson replied. “You guys know how I am about these concussions. I really like to get all the information that I can before we make a decision on where to go and what to do.”

If Griffin cannot play, the Browns (1-14) will make their seventh change of the season at starting QB when the visit the Steelers (10-5). The door began revolving when Griffin suffered a fractured coracoid bone in his left shoulder Sept. 11 during the regular-season opener. He missed 11 games, then returned to start the past three.

In Saturday’s 20-17 win over the San Diego Chargers, Griffin completed 17-of-25 passes for 164 yards without a touchdown or interception and posted a rating of 86.1. He also rushed six times for 42 yards and took seven sacks.
The final sack he absorbed resulted in him immediately leaving the game with a concussion with 10:30 left in the fourth quarter. Defensive end Darius Philon grabbed Griffin’s legs, and inside linebacker Korey Toomer hit him high.

Kessler entered the game with the Browns leading 20-17, went 2-of-3 passing for 11 yards and they held on to win after Chargers kicker Josh Lambo missed a 45-yard field goal wide right with time expired.

The offense sputtered in the second half and only generated a field goal, but Griffin still had his best game this season and improved to 1-3 as a Browns starter. Kessler is 0-8 as a starter this season, and veteran quarterback Josh McCown is 0-3.

“I thought [Griffin] did a good job of standing in there in the first half and delivering some balls on third down and made some crucial third down throws and runs,” Jackson said. “He made some first downs with his legs, which extended drives, which gave us a chance to score more points. I think we had probably more yards, more first downs, more points in the first half than we have had in a long time, and that is kind of the way you hope to play.”

If Griffin can’t play in the finale, he’ll finish the season 58-of-107 passing (54.2 percent) for 654 yards and no touchdowns with two interceptions and a rating of 64.9 in four games. He has rushed 26 times for 158 yards and two touchdowns and taken 18 sacks.

Griffin’s future with the team is in question with a roster bonus of $750,000 due to him March 11. If he has played his final game with the Browns, at least he helped them avoid the embarrassment of winless season.

“I told the receivers before the game we are going to win today because the entire team felt loose,” wide receiver Andrew Hawkins said during a conference call. “It is not like a silly loose. It was a loose, like a confident loose, like, ‘What the hell do we have to lose? Let’s just go out there and be us.’

“I think that is what you see from RG3. He was in a game where he has played in a couple games and he is being criticized for the way he has played and he has tried different things, and I think he went out in that game and he was just himself. I think that is the best version of him is when he goes out and just plays like he wants to play and not like somebody else. He made a lot of plays for us that helped us win the football game.”

Key defender hurt

Two-time Pro Bowl cornerback Joe Haden suffered a neck injury in the third quarter against the Chargers (5-10) and left the game for good.

Jackson said he didn’t know the severity of the injury and described Haden as “still sore.”

“Hopefully it is going to be OK,” Jackson added. “I would think he is going to be OK. Joe is a competitor. I know he wants to be out there with his teammates. If I had my thought about it, I think he will do everything he can to be out there this coming Sunday.”

Haden has fought through two groin injuries for the majority of the season. He revealed Friday he’ll undergo surgery in the offseason to repair those muscles.

“I think it shows the commitment that he wants to be out there,” Jackson said of Haden playing despite the groin injuries. “I wish he would not tell everybody that [he needs surgery] because that is why they are going to keep throwing the ball at him.

“He has done everything I have asked him to do. I am proud of him for being out there with his teammates and fighting through when things are not just perfect because it is not just perfect for any football player at this time of the year. Obviously, not [perfect for] him with what he is going through, but he is out there and he is to be commended for it.”

Improvement vs. run

The Browns allowed just 34 rushing yards on 19 carries (1.8) against the Chargers.

They entered Saturday ranked 31st in the NFL against the run (155.7 yards surrendered per game). In the previous game, they gave up a staggering 280 yards and three touchdowns on 40 carries (7.0 average) in a 33-13 loss to the Buffalo Bills.

Chargers starting running back Melvin Gordon (hip, knee) was inactive this past weekend, so that helped the Browns. But the strides they made in run defense are impressive regardless.

“The biggest difference was just attitude,” inside linebacker Chris Kirksey said. “The previous week was unacceptable with how many rushing yards [the Bills] had. We just made it a special emphasis that we were going to do our job, do our part to stop the run.

“I just commend those guys out there to fight like that they way they did, and we definitely got the job done. We are just going to build from this week and just take this momentum into next week. We have a good thing going.”

Other injury updates

Running back Duke Johnson is dealing with a sore ankle, Jackson said.

The coach added rookie cornerback Trey Caldwell “will likely” be sidelined Sunday with a hamstring injury.

Oh boy ... RG3 ... YEEHAAA .... ummmm ... if thats your rallying cry so be it ...

RG3 STINKS ..... sorry, but he does ...

If he's who u want ... thats your choice .... its your opinion afterall ... your free to be as wrong as u like ... *LOL* ...

Stay tuned .... da da da da .....

Trying to say the run D played better when SD was playing second and third string OL , with a a no nothing RB , YEA BOY ! I DESPISE Coach Speak

When you finally won your 1st game after 14 losses, you take any and every positive you can. It's the time to try and really play of every good thing the team did, no matter the circumstances.

No argument there Dawg ( wait for it ) , But Fans are so use to the ineptitude of this Organization that we except scraps and excuses as Victory's .. Really , really , rrrreaallly Old fans like myself find it a bit embarrassing !

RG3 cut through the Charger's defense like butter until they started to spy him.

Rg3 should be our starter going into next season.

I tend to agree, although we'll keep Kessler in some capacity. Although RG3 didn't throw any TDs, he was the one that led us down the field Saturday to allow Crowell get those two Rush TDs. All season long we've not been able to do that. Now, this praise doesn't mean I want him to be the long-term starter, but I agree he'll probably be kept on the roster. I'm still all about a QB upgrade in the draft.

Is that Swish? .. *LOL* ...

Griffin has been truly horrible. The two things I would always go back to in his favor was his great accuracy on short throws and his great deep ball. He has sucked on both.

He is worth keeping through the off-season because we have him so cheap (for a QB), but he should not be thought of our starter going forward. He is a backup at best.

The only thing he does well is run. . . and running too much will get him killed (as we have seen).

He has done nothing to deserve this being said about him. We won because the Chargers were incompetent, not because RGIII played well.

Hogan and McCown should both be gone next year with Kessler and Griffin sticking around. Obviously some sort of new QB should also be brought it (trade/free agent/draft).

With that said, I would not be shocked if we cut Griffin and saved the $7.5 million against the cap.

What? Did you not watch the first few drives? His offense was able to move the ball consistently. Certainly not with his arm, but a touchdown is worth 6 points whether it comes from the air or on the ground.

First drive: 72 yards. 36 yards from the offense, 36 yards from the penalties against the chargers, along with some awesome first downs due to those penalties.

Compared to the alternatives we have currently, that's pretty much like butter. Although I'll give you it was a tad hyperbolic, but was probably the best half of football we've played in a few months.

I think the fact that Hue wanted RG3 makes me believe that they want a QB who can run and throw the ball. It's why I think ultimately, if he is available, Tyrod Taylor will be aggressively pursued in the offseason.

You think RG3 BALLED OUT the last two games.....BALLED OUT!.....

OMG,

His standards are very low.

He also drafted Cody Kessler.

I think Hue Jackson just wants a QB and is willing to search anywhere to get one. At this point it is clear that he was wrong on Griffin (the fact that he was willing to pull Griffin from the Chargers game shows us that).

did I miss something? I thought RGIII got concussed the last game?

RG3 is so awful. As Kessler kept playing and kept regressing further and further with each passing game, I found it painful to watch. I feel the same about RG3. Just painful. He was a little better this past game, but he, like Kessler, just can't process information fast enough to play QB in this league. At least with Kessler I think you can still hold out hope that he isn't a finished product. An off season of reflection and strength training could help. With RG3, despite his young age, seems more like a finished product with a few NFL seasons and off seasons under his belt.

I hope neither are the starter next year. But if it somehow turns out to be Kessler, the guy needs to put on some muscle. He looks like a cabbage patch kid.

We will just never be able to take a step forward without a QB. It's so depressing.

I was wondering the same thing.

I was under the impression that one of the O-line man even told him to leave the game, to save hims from himself...an the ref? pulled him? ok now I am going to have to watch this game again

http://www.nfl-replay.com/san-diego-chargers-vs-cleveland-browns-24-dec-2016/

wow that weblink has so much malware that got blocked it aint even funny

wow does it? sorry never had an issue...sorry bud

starting to miss the days of charlie whitehurst

just kidding. robert you did well to keep the chains moving. so didnt kessler so that the clock ran out, basically

Before the game Hue Jackson said that he would pull Griffin if he was not playing well.



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I'm starting to miss Kelly Holcomb, Charlie Freye and Derek Anderson...

It's a hard thing. I wanted it to work out. He played one game, got hurt, came back and played what, 3 games, got hurt again.

Even if he was the second coming, what good is he when he's hurt and it seems like he's always hurt..

Too bad really. Very talented athlete but fragile.

No, I think it's time we move on and find someone else.

Don't ask me where to look.. I'm just not sure.

The Browns without a doubt need a franchise QB.

Maybe they draft one, maybe they'll bring one in via FA.

I don't think anyone thinks Griffin has proven to be that guy.

But for next year he's hella cheap, even as a back-up.