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Ok here is a massive defensive overhall and some sneaky OL improvements/depth.

Your score is: 9845 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 2 (S.F.): Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 2 Pick 15: Marcus Maye, FS, Florida (B-)
Round 2 Pick 18 (HOU): Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson (A)
Round 2 Pick 30 (OAK): Takkarist McKinley, OLB/DE, UCLA (A+)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Scott Quessenberry, OG, UCLA (B+)
Round 5 Pick 31: Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2019 Round 1 Pick

I traded the 2018 first round pick to move up for Johnathan Allen. Allen, garret, and takkarist in one draft would be sick.

Some decent secondary improvements too I think.

If we did that trade up, and picked Allen, and Garrett, I think I might actually weep with joy, lol.

You are making me think, though, a first rounder this year and a first next year to move up 7 spots is a doable deal. San Fran is as thin as we are talent-wise, and could easily use 2 first rounders in 2018.

fwiw, there's no way San Fran picks Allen. We could probably trade up for him at 3.

We may be in a position where the Browns could take Garrett and Rubin Foster. Thatd stack the front 7 for years to come.

Bar the trade for Allen that looks a lot like my drafts to date. That would be an awesome haul of talent. There is a lot of defensive talent available - I would not be surprised to see us dropping down with the Eagles pick. I have also toyed with the idea of Garrett or Allen and Fournette. I think he would improve our offense. I'd also prefer a tackle - Avery Genessy out of A&M along with Orlosky or Fuller out of Baylor. Fun just seeing what permutations there are but there is no excuse not to draft impactful players with the picks we have.

PFF latest has us landing:

Garrett at 1
Trubisky at 9

There's your 2 faces of the franchise. Ala the Raiders 2014 draft of Mack and Carr.

If we like Trubisky, we've gotta take him. As much as I hate to miss on a superb Secondary player the likes of an Adams or Humphrey, you take the QB if you like him.

Get the CB and Safety in round 2. Someone with a 1st round grade is slipping to the 1st pick of the 2nd day.

If we go this route, Garrett and Trubisky, we need to start looking at Safeties NOT named Adams or Peppers.

MY dream is:

Garrett
Trubisky
Hooker
King

And get Gilmore away from Buffalo in FA.

We would pick 7th if the draft was today.

From what I have seen, we would pick 8th.

From Great Blue North:

1 Cleveland 0-14 .556
2 San Francisco 1-13 .509
3 Jacksonville 2-12 .545
4 Chicago 3-11 .520
5 Tennessee (from LA) 4-10 .500
6 NY Jets 4-10 .516
7 San Diego 5-9 .540
8 Cleveland (from Phil.) 5-9 .567
9 Arizona 5-8-1 .467
10 Cincinnati 5-8-1 .520

GBN uses SOS for all 16 games, ESPN uses only games played, so GBN is a better indicator.

Doesnt matter, SD is getting an easy win this week.

Except Trubisky started one season. Carr started 3 seasons........ Of course I was very unsure of Carr (didn't trust his system).


Na, give me Mike Glennon in FA and let's shore up our defense with a guys like Garrett and Adams. 2nd Round Spend on two O-Linemen (Center and RT for our future).

IMO, that would be best

If the "best" involves Mike Glennon in any way, then wake me in 2018.

If you look at his numbers...... He's not that bad. Better than anything we have. The few games I had watched of him, he looked pretty good. He just hasn't played recently because he's been behind Winston.

If we're in a bad QB year, then we're in a bad QB year. We have to play the hand we're dealt. I'd love to get a good QB, but I don't see anyone that I viewed the same way as Goff or even Wentz. Given, I'm not the best QB Evaluator.

But I do think Glennon is the best FA in the QB Class. And reaching for a flawed QB when there's two extremely high level Defensive palyers there is just stupid

My guy Taywan Taylor plays tonight.

https://youtu.be/wnFhtDOq9CY

I agree.. but then I don't.

I was never high on Goff and wasn't sure of Wentz.. at least not for us who were in almost a total restart after getting rid of Mack and Schwartz.. I was ok with chasing a QB in the 3rd round though.. (just think we picked the wrong one)

With that said, if Watson or somebody else that we value at QB falls to that 33 spot, you have to think about it long and hard.

As this draft plays out, it will keep the "not a strong QB draft" label, but some will still rise into the top 5 of the mocks just because they are QBs.. Please don't let us reach for one of them just to placate the talking heads and the fans..

With all the hype that is building on TRUB I don't think he will last past the jets or 49ers. To me we are always half doing things. So I figure why not for once take something and make it elite.

If Trub lasted till our second pick I would be fine with taking him but just imagine a defensive line that is so powerful they just cant stop it. That would be so awesome to watch.

My small school gem, (and homer pick) DE Derek Rivers, of Youngstown State, plays in the FCS Championship on January 7.

I would take him later in our draft.

Old school fans will love this kid.



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/19/myles-garrett-bucks-trend-will-play-in-texas-bowl/

Zeke Elliot:

Ezekiel Elliott weighs in on college stars skipping bowl games | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/12/19...owl-games0.html

"All these young guys deciding to skip their bowl games. I would do anything to play one more time with my brothers in that scarlet and gray."

I really wonder what Jaylon Smith would say.............. Cause that's a guy who lost a bunch. And an honest opinion from Smith, cause he might just say that everything happens for a reason and he's happy to be a Cowboy

He had the chance to play another full season with them and he left to do what was best for him... and I don't blame him for it.

I just wonder how far this might go. Right now it's two guys skipping irrelevant bowl games (and I define irrelevant as any bowl that isn't associated with winning a championship, so all but 3 of them)... All across the land you have guys fighting for draft slotting or to be drafted at all, those guys can't sit out... but there are a number of players each year who know going in they will be first round, if not top 10 picks... so if you play for an LSU, Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc and your goal was to win a national championship.. and you get into week 7 and have already lost twice so it looks like that isn't going to happen, do you bow out then? What if you were a first round pick before the season but your season isn't going well, do you bow out to limit the amount of "bad tape" on you?

It is an interesting dilemma.

Reading on WalterFootball that we'd be drafting at 1 and 7 were it to happen today.

Hmmmmm...I am VERY intrigued by this concept. VERY.

It is intriguing but we would have to give up too much to move from 7 or 8 up to #2.. and we just have a ton of other holes that need filled. As much as that could set our DL up for the next 10 years, I'd have to vote no.

I'd rather have two top studs than a bunch of guys. If we set ourselves up in 2017 we could possibly afford that move. But, I think Philly's pick may be higher than 7 or 8. W/NYG and Dallas remaining it could be:

CLE
SF
JAX
CHI
NYJ
PHI

Didn't most of Zeke's brothers go to the NFL with him? Also one more season isn't 'one more time'.

This is our problem.. most teams expect to get a stud at #6 or even at #33. Might not be a DE, might be a different position but if you have to draft #1 and #2 to find a stud, then you are never going to win.

Its a need and BPA. Those are the top blue chip players in the draft. If we were able to get both of them , it could transform our D for the next decade. (assuming Garret will be Von miller and Allen is like Suh....just throwing names out I have no idea who they could be)

DC, we are about to go 0-16. We are a long way from rebuilding. Get cornerstone franchise guys. You have to treat this like an expansion team.

DC, if we get it right this draft literally could be franchise defining. Especially the top 4/5 picks. But, the question is WILL we get it right? As fans we will always be skeptical. But, I am sure the discussions in the war room will be trading down vs staying or trading up. At this point, I would be disappointed if we traded down w/PHI pick. We don't need a bunch of players we need THE players. If they make a move for Garoppollo w/a pick or if they move up for two of the best defensive guys in the draft then I would be super excited. Fans would be excited. If we trade down people will get frustrated as the past has proven that stockpiling hasn't panned out particularly well for the Brownies.

No idea how I feel if we make a move for Trubisky or another young QB. I just worry QB's are such a gamble. But, I would have to put trust in Hue seeing something that he believed in. Even Garopollo is a gamble.

People go to college to get a well paying job. If a few first rounders drop out of meaningless bowl games, it's their right and they owe the university nothing. More power to them.

If more start following suit, projected 2nd and 3rd rounders, I don't see the problem then either. If anything, college football fans get a better look at next years roster when their backups fill the spot on the depth chart. Maybe it's like in baseball with September call-ups.

I think the real debate would happen when a top tier player on a team in the playoff chooses to sit out. That'll get headlines. I would hope nobody sits out, but I'd understand it.

Life is tough, nothing is guaranteed and you have to look out for yourself. I'm completely fine with kids choosing financial security over a bowl game.

After Kessler, I'd be very cautious trusting anything Hue believes in and I don't believe for a second they drafted Kessler to be anything but a starter down the line, which he is not.

Well, with all due respect to Kessler and Hue...if we had a Dallas caliber O-line Kessler might be doing as well as, or better than, Prescott. Also, if Kessler was on any team but, the 0-14 Browns (or the 1-13 Niners) my guess is he would be receiving much more favorable critiques. The fact that he is on a terrible team with a dodgy O-line means he, and the other QBs on this team, are not able to function well.

I agree with you. Which is why if I have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds (including #1 and #6), I'm taking 5 guys, not trading away picks so I can move up and take 1 potentially better guy.

I get what you're saying and agree for the most part, because I saw what happened to Willis McGahee and Jaylon Smith. But I have to say that if I were one of their teammates I think I'd feel betrayed. I can't speak for hoops or hockey, but I played baseball and football, and the bond between players on a football team is much stronger, IMO. I think its from all the shared pain and sacrifice of the long season from two-a-days in a sweltering August all the way to frigid cold games in early winter. On an emotional level, I don't know how you walk away from that. On the other hand, I was never a world class player trying to protect his future ...

Ok, I gave you a draft with a strong emphasis on defense. Now here is one for offense with some reason picks on defense.

Your score is: 10034 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 7 (S.D.): Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (A)
Round 1 Pick 8: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 7 (S.D.): Takkarist McKinley, OLB/DE, UCLA (A-)
Round 2 Pick 17: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A)
Round 3 Pick 4 (CHI): Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A)
Round 3 Pick 24 (DET): Kevin King, CB, Washington (B)
Round 3 Pick 32 (DAL): Scott Quessenberry, OG, UCLA (A-)
Round 5 Pick 31: Ryan Glasgow, DT, Michigan (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2019 Round 1 Pick

I know you're hung up over not taking best player in the draft. I get that. Still there is an argument to be made about building a great o-line and grabbing the best QB in the upcoming draft. By trading down it screws up the order of the draft and we great a fantastic OT, our future QB, upgrades at center and OG positions and BAM we have an offense that can actually score points and keep our QB alive.

We also grab a nice pass rusher in Takkarist McKinley, an upgrade at FS with Marcus Williams, and I can really see Kevin King as a either a safety or that hard hitting nickel CB that takes on TEs.

I also like taking the best kicker from college to easily score points from the 50 yard range.

You're a good guy, but I disagree w/your take. I might even start a thread on that topic. It's an interesting subject where sound cases can be made by both sides. Hopefully, people will be mature.

You are another nice guy, but come on.........there is no comparison in the physical attributes, poise, and play making abilities of the two qbs.

I agree. Dak has came up big in big games.