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Why has Bitonio and Kirksey deserved more? Unless your name is Joe Thomas I can't guarantee you deserve to be on this roster in 2-3 years.
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I'm curious about the people who clamor for the re-signing of Pryor crowd. How much would you pay him? 30 mil a year? 20 mil a year? 10 mil a year? Less than that? We have the cap space to do all of that. Where is your line on how much Pryor is worth?
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I'm curious about the people who clamor for the re-signing of Pryor crowd. How much would you pay him? 30 mil a year? 20 mil a year? 10 mil a year? Less than that? We have the cap space to do all of that. Where is your line on how much Pryor is worth? For his production, he needs an incentive laden contract that would pay him for current production about $7.5M per year, with incentive bonuses up to $10M per year, with about $15M in guarantees....I know you are going to say that's on the low side, but it's Eric Decker $#s without Eric Decker production...I don't understand why everyone thinks it's going to take $10M a year with $25M in guarantees.
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Personally, I think he's worth 10 mil a year or more. I think he's a top 15 WR and should be paid like one. 10 mil a year would put him around the 15th slot. I think the contract that TY Hilton got would be a good basis to go on. But I would strongly advise not going much over that.
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.i agree, while Pryor shows promise, he's not really anything special.
I guess you think that 6-6/240 pound WRs just grow on trees or that the Browns already have someone to step into the #1 and produce like Pryor has...70 catches and 934 yds?
This is a "final test" of this Harvard Boys front office...if you can't sign your own free agents...time to find someone who can.
It's not like the Browns don't have the cap space, is it? did he grow 2" and gain 20lbs?? And 934 yards is nothing nowadays...he's barely in the top 30 in the league, theres TE's ahead of him. Not saying that TP doesn't have promise, but he has a long ways to go to be a #1, he's also got some issues with attitude to cleanup, but my point with it is, for the money he probably thinks he deserves and what his actual value is I'm think is pretty vast. Theres alot of things that go into his production, things out of his control, but he's paid to catch the ball and he's had quite a few bad drops. If it came down to he or Collins, I'm taking Collins. But if TP is willing to sign a fair contract with some performance kickers that will allow him to get paid and possibly get paid more as he learns the position and becomes more productive.
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I think 7-10million base with kickers of another 5-8 built in that he can earn would be more than fair
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I'm curious about the people who clamor for the re-signing of Pryor crowd. How much would you pay him? 30 mil a year? 20 mil a year? 10 mil a year? Less than that? We have the cap space to do all of that. Where is your line on how much Pryor is worth? For his production, he needs an incentive laden contract that would pay him for current production about $7.5M per year, with incentive bonuses up to $10M per year, with about $15M in guarantees....I know you are going to say that's on the low side, but it's Eric Decker $#s without Eric Decker production...I don't understand why everyone thinks it's going to take $10M a year with $25M in guarantees. I like all those numbers - and I would be happy to pay more to keep him. The guy has had a horrible situation at QB - and he's not had a WR opposite him for much of the season, Coleman has flashed but the injury really hurt and he's looked rusty since return. I hope we resign him - but if he doesn't want to be here, then it really won't matter what we do. If another team covets him and offers a huge contract because they think he's the piece of the puzzle to push them into the SB.... then we need to find a replacement. He's been a bit disappointing the last 3 weeks though - is that teams learning to nullify him or only a reflection of the Browns horrible offense?
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When did he get the torn ligament in his finger?
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When did he get the torn ligament in his finger? Two weeks ago, I believe...but that is another reason I WANT to re-sign him. He could have easily ducked out for the year...Corey Coleman would have... I like players that want to be on the field with their teammates.
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.i agree, while Pryor shows promise, he's not really anything special.
I guess you think that 6-6/240 pound WRs just grow on trees or that the Browns already have someone to step into the #1 and produce like Pryor has...70 catches and 934 yds?
This is a "final test" of this Harvard Boys front office...if you can't sign your own free agents...time to find someone who can.
It's not like the Browns don't have the cap space, is it? Size aside, that's a lot of production from a WR that's used to playing QB and without a consistent QB to work with. Sounds like a guy worth paying to stay put.
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I agree. Sign him, pay him. It's a step in the right direction to make this team a contender.
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Part of creating a successful franchise is paying players who work hard and perform above expectations. I don't think anyone can dispute that Pryor is a hard worker (transitioning from quarterback to wide receiver this late in a career is basically unheard of) and I personally thought he wouldn't even make the team when we signed him.
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.i agree, while Pryor shows promise, he's not really anything special.
I guess you think that 6-6/240 pound WRs just grow on trees or that the Browns already have someone to step into the #1 and produce like Pryor has...70 catches and 934 yds?
This is a "final test" of this Harvard Boys front office...if you can't sign your own free agents...time to find someone who can.
It's not like the Browns don't have the cap space, is it? did he grow 2" and gain 20lbs?? And 934 yards is nothing nowadays...he's barely in the top 30 in the league, theres TE's ahead of him. Not saying that TP doesn't have promise, but he has a long ways to go to be a #1, he's also got some issues with attitude to cleanup, but my point with it is, for the money he probably thinks he deserves and what his actual value is I'm think is pretty vast. Theres alot of things that go into his production, things out of his control, but he's paid to catch the ball and he's had quite a few bad drops. If it came down to he or Collins, I'm taking Collins. But if TP is willing to sign a fair contract with some performance kickers that will allow him to get paid and possibly get paid more as he learns the position and becomes more productive.
I'm not the one who grew him 2" and 20#... 
Even at 6-4/223, with his wing span, he is a big target..and he is tough.
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That's weird - Pryor's height. I remember him being listed as 6'6" in college. But even the Browns roster has him listed at 6'4", 223. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster.htmlNot that it matters much I guess.
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Personally, I think he's worth 10 mil a year or more. I think he's a top 15 WR and should be paid like one. 10 mil a year would put him around the 15th slot. I think the contract that TY Hilton got would be a good basis to go on. But I would strongly advise not going much over that. Top 15 ... WOW .... u way over rate him ... short list Julio Antonio Mike Evans TY Hilton ... Donte Moncrief Jordy Nelson .. Devanta Adams and Randall Cobb ... he'd be 4th on that team ... *LOL* .. D. Thomas .. Emanual Sanders .... Amari Cooper .. Crabtree ... Keenan Allen Hopkins Rishard Matthews Allen Robinson Brandon Marshall ... Eric Decker ... Taylor Gabriel ... oh wait .. he is prolly better than him .. *LOL* Odell Beckham Jordan Matthews Deshaun Jackson Dez Bryant Brandin Cooks ... Michael Thomas AJ Green Steve Smith Golden Tate Doug Baldwin Larry Fitzgerald .. Am i at 15 yet? ... Top 15 ... *LMAO* ...
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Ya ... great measurables .. How r his hands? ... not that catching the ball is a bog deal for a reciever or anything ...  ... U guys way OVERRATE him ... HE STRUGGLES catching the ball ... he struggles with route running against man coverage ... he admittedly doesn't block well ... Other than that ... he's clearly a keeper worth BIG BUCKS .... *L* ... Whoever signs him ... will end up dissapointed ... We'll talk again in 3 or 4 years ... thank u for your time today ... 
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Right now Pryor is #28 in receiving yards with 913.
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Right now Pryor is #28 in receiving yards with 913.
Your point?
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Right now Pryor is #28 in receiving yards with 913 [with McCown, Kessler, and Griffin throwing him the ball.] Pryor is not one of the best wide receivers in the league. He is a quality player. With that said, he is going to be a free agent and that means he is more expensive. Also, this was his first year ever playing the position, so I think it is likely that he gets better. Here is a list of every wide receiver contract: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/wide-receiver/Pryor should be getting $15 million to $20 million guaranteed. If he gets more than that then it is an overpay.
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Right now Pryor is #28 in receiving yards with 913.
Your point? My point was backing you up. But whatever, I know you're in defense mode so I'll leave you alone.
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Yea for swapping positions and dealing with our QB situation, 913 isn't all that bad. I think he's over 1,000 in all purpose yards as well.
You think he could develop into a true #1?
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You think he could develop into a true #1? He could, but I don't think it is likely. Even if he doesn't he still probably deserves a contract similar to Doug Baldwin, Pierre Garcon (who is also a free agent), Allen Hurns, Marvin Jones, Eric Decker, etc. The problem is that he will get more money than those guys on the open market.
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He's better than both Adams and Cobb, as well as some of the other guys on your list. It freaking kills me that our fans don't want to keep our better players. Who knows..........maybe y'all really do enjoy talking about the draft than playoff games? 
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I think most people would love to keep him.
The question has always been at what cost?
I would franchise tag him, but I'm worried that another year of instability at the quarterback position would once again have us questioning whether TP could be great or not.
I'd love to give him a long term contract, but what if he's asking for dez Bryant kind of money?
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I would franchise tag him, but I'm worried that another year of instability at the quarterback position would once again have us questioning whether TP could be great or not. Ideally you would sign one of Pryor or Collins and franchise the other, but I have a feeling both are going to hit free agency (which means we will likely lose both).
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Right now Pryor is #28 in receiving yards with 913.
Your point? My point was backing you up. But whatever, I know you're in defense mode so I'll leave you alone. Defensive .. *L* ... i'm a "a good offense is the best defense kind of guy" ..  I asked a question ... thats what i do when i want more info ... your post was a little vague and could be interpreted many ways ... so being the drunk that i am, i figured i'd ask for clarification before diving into my drunken rant ... *L* ... Dude .. i asked a question cause i wasn't sure what u meant ... Feel free to answer if u like .. I'll go ahead and answer your question to the other dude ... I think he could develop into a low end 1 or high end 2 ... problem is he's going to command alot more than he's currently worth on the open market .... if we can front load the contract and have the bulk of it count against this year that would be a good thing in case he don't pan out ... wonder when that would have to be done by to count towards this year ... anyone know? ... his cieling is limited by his speed .. he's not as fast as most make him out to be .. what he does have is a good burst while running ... he's also a gifted athelete and all ready high points the ball better than some of the all time greats ... God .. we had a reciever here that couldn't adjust to a ball in the air at all .. i remember commenting more than once that when the ball was in the air it seemed he'd run away from it .. *L* .. i wanna say it was Quincy ... anyone remember who it was? .. Anyhow ... He needs to improve his route running against man coverage .. he needs to improve his hands and catch the damm ball ... he needs to improve as a blocker ... I think he works extremely hard .. LOVE that about him ... then there's his TEMPER ... he has a bad temper .. it will hurt his team .. watch and see ... I would not pay him what he's going to command and there's a team out there that will .. so if i were running the show .. he'd be gone ... i've said this for the last 2 months .. I can't wait to see how this plays out ...
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Not that fast? The guy is like Gordon in that he looks slower than he really is because he glides.
He ran a 4.32 in college. That is pretty fast. LOL
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Pryor was a surprise...we cut him just prior to the start of the season...we did sign him back a bit later. But 31 teams had a shot at him. His growth was good. The key is will he still grow then his upside is Gordon without the drugs.
But we cannot overpay either there is a fine line in describing his worth. Recognizing his agent most definitely he will be going to FA to test the market or possibly that can be done in the new pre FA talks with other teams.
For me the guy we have to keep here is Collins...I want Pryor here but if he is asking top 5-10 WR contract it would be hard to give that much.
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There's times when I really wish TP would just keep his mouth shut.
But honestly.....whatever. It comes with the territory of diva WR's on a normal basis in this league.
And hey, at least the guy wants to win. While his mouth might be annoying, his fire is something I wish the 52 other guys displayed. Maybe we'd be somewhere.
I dunno if I agree with the speed comment. The dude glides like Gordon, bro. He looks like he isn't even trying, yet you watch defenders run like they are being chased by the cops trying to catch the guy. It just looks effortless.
I agree with your improvements. One thing I'll add more specifically is that when running sideline to sideline, he tends to run a bit backwards on routes. Just kinda drifts behind the first down marker. But that comes with experience so it's all good.
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Not that fast? The guy is like Gordon in that he looks slower than he really is because he glides.
He ran a 4.32 in college. That is pretty fast. LOL I could care less what his 40 time was in shorts on a track .. when we start playing football in shorts let me know ... *LOL* .... I watched all our games ... funny how he only beat DB's 2 maybe 3 times all year ... every other time they were basically running stride for stride or out in front of him .. *shrugs* ... To each his own Vers ... If we pay him top 10 money ... you can as happy as u like ... i won't be ... *L* ...
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Some guys look like they're running like cheetahs, but get caught.
Some guys look like they're loafing, but pull away from defenders.
I put Gordon and Pryor in the latter category.
4.3 speed vs. 4.6 speed. Not a huge difference. Not on a football field.
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I watch the games, too. I know he is fast. Sorry that I provided a fact for you instead of assuming you would just take my word for it.
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Actually receivers cut their pants so that there are no knee pads and usually don't where thigh pads...so out of any position in football...they are close to Shorts...lol 
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I only wish the Browns had some available cap space so they could afford to overpay a good player by little bit and not worry about it. If they did, they could sign Pryor and franchise tag Collins.
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I had him on a fantasy team ... he hardly ever got behind anyone .. so he's not fast .. *L* ..
Love his competitiveness and the fact he wants to win .. love how after games hes peed off .. thats what i want from all my players ......
he needs to curve the temper ... lots of guys want to win as much as he does ... they just don't act like 2 year olds when there not winning ... especially when it comes to his teammates .. i think u saw the ramifications of that with the comments from Hartline .. i would guess he has never been real popular amongst his teammates ... but I could be wrong on that one ..
U said Diva WR ... i think Pryor is simply a Diva ... i think he's been a spoiled brat since his HS days and he has a brain .... i think that he has just used every situation and everyone he comes in contact with for his own personal gratification ...
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To me and many others, he's basically a rookie WR. If we had gotten the numbers from our top rookie WR this year that we got from Pryor, we'd be saying we really hit on that pick. The tough part is do we pay Pryor what he and his agents are sure to want with the hope that his development continues? I think in this case we need to. He's someone that other teams have had to game-plan for, and we haven't had many like that recently.
As others have mentioned, it would be so nice to sign either Pryor or Collins so the franchise/transition tag would be available for the other. I'd much rather franchise Collins, if necessary, but having both next season is a win for a team starving for wins.
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Some guys look like they're running like cheetahs, but get caught.
Some guys look like they're loafing, but pull away from defenders.
I put Gordon and Pryor in the latter category.
4.3 speed vs. 4.6 speed. Not a huge difference. Not on a football field. I recall seeing him have a defender beaten once for sure .. maybe twice .. I also don't re-call him ever pulling away from a defender .. So you'll have to excuse me if i'm not on the same page as u guys ... Not gonna keep saying the same thing ... so i'll be moving on ... Me and pretty much the rest of the board will have to just disagree on this one ... *L* ...
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I'd offer him 8 mill per year with incentives to be able to reach 15 mil per year. If he can play like he thinks he can then he will get paid like he thinks he should.
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Ya ... great measurables .. How r his hands? ... not that catching the ball is a bog deal for a reciever or anything ... ... U guys way OVERRATE him ... HE STRUGGLES catching the ball ... he struggles with route running against man coverage ... he admittedly doesn't block well ... Other than that ... he's clearly a keeper worth BIG BUCKS .... *L* ... Whoever signs him ... will end up dissapointed ... We'll talk again in 3 or 4 years ... thank u for your time today ...
Let's see if our front office can get creative and lock him up with a contract that protects the Browns if he busts yet pays the man if he studs out.
A contract based on incentives is what I would want to sign Pryor to.
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Ya ... great measurables .. How r his hands? ... not that catching the ball is a bog deal for a reciever or anything ... ... U guys way OVERRATE him ... HE STRUGGLES catching the ball ... he struggles with route running against man coverage ... he admittedly doesn't block well ... Other than that ... he's clearly a keeper worth BIG BUCKS .... *L* ... Whoever signs him ... will end up dissapointed ... We'll talk again in 3 or 4 years ... thank u for your time today ... 4 drops btw. Half your list has more
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