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If you're saying we hired a guy to sit on his thumbs all year then we deserve what we got. Nothing. I'm pretty sure that he spent all year getting the system in place for this draft. Quality takes time.
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They're both playing with super bowl QB's and didn't break their hands early in the season.
Say what you will, but Coleman has been looking great. Feisty WR who looks great after the catch. Anyone who is saying Coleman is a bust (or something similar) is either a troll or kidding themselves. He is a rookie wide receiver coming out of an offense that requires very little of receivers, on a team that has an absolutely dreadful offense. All rookies require time. Name ONE person who said Coleman was a bust. Please!!!! As far as the comparison goes, I knew a bunch of you guys would come w/that argument. It's a fair argument. However, it is also a fair argument that both of the guys I mentioned have way better hands than Coleman are more polished.
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LOL..............y'all watching Shepard tonight?
Probably not. Experts who don't watch games, but want to chide others who do.
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We're 0 - 14. Now I could really care less it's statistics, were 0 - 14. Whatever it is, it's failing. We are worse than last year when we sucked. We're worse than sucking. If this is what analytics gets us, scrape the crap. It ain't worth it. I don't care that he can make a spreadsheet, I can make one too and I can lose 14 in a row with no problem, trust me, you don't want me making evaluations on your football decisions. This concept is insane. Get back to football people who can at least win a few games.
We've tied the worst Tampa Bay could produce and we're shooting for the worst Detroit could produce. If this is acceptable to you, you and I are in different worlds. Seems like you are correlating analytics to the sole reason why we are winless. Sigh.
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No, I was just responding to the topic at hand.
Really, did my point of view make you sigh? LOL It's a message board, chill.
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Wish it was that easy; blame all analytics all the time. It is more than we know , I suspect.
I still believe there is a major learning curve, so I expect mistakes from the FO just like with young players. But as we near the end of this train-wreck season, I hold two reservations above the others: 1) Did we learn from our mistakes and change? We all learn through failures (so we should soon be golden after plenty of them!). 2) Have we improved our ability to pick talent and vet players in meaningful ways that result in wins? I do not trust the judgment I have seen, and I don't see much in the adjustments we make to ongoing mistakes. Face these and plan to improve or minimize them before the draft and FA. We need some vets. Too curious about potential to be competitive. Swap the broken crystal ball for the pigskin and lets get after the business of football.
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Do we all agree that analytics is just an additional tool to be used to help those in charge make personnel decisions?
OR...Is analytics the main tool used to judge football talent?
Also, it appears that the front office stripped the Browns of scouts who did not meet the new "analytics standards" putting what the front office believes is the proper emphasis on "analytics", when judging draft talent.
We can agree on that, right?
The Browns definitely have some of the best when it comes to analytics...nice job of upgrading the "analytics" area of the franchise, Mr and Mrs Haslam !
Now comes the " 64 MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION "....
...in the process of upgrading the "analytics department", did the Browns franchise ignore or undervalue the need for "NFL experience", when it comes to judging football talent?
If we examine the "NFL experience level" of the highest ranking members of the Browns front office, we find.....
...that the #2 man in the Browns organization, the Chief Strategy Officer, Paul Depodesta, has "ZERO" experience at judging "NFL" talent...
...and we find that the #3 man in the Browns organization, the Browns GM, in charge of the 53 man roster, Sashi Brown, also had "ZERO" experience as a GM judging NFL talent, prior to the 2016 draft ...
...Andrew Berry, who started at DB for Harvard for 4 yrs, graduated from Harvard in the spring of 2009 and decided to pursue his dream of playing in the NFL. Berry went un-drafted in the 2009 draft, so he opted to sign as a UDFA with the Washington Redskins. At some point in his first weeks the Redskins doctors discovered that Berry had a herniated disk in his back and that injury ended Berry's dream of playing in the NFL. Berry could have pursued a career on Wall Street where he had worked for the summer prior to his senior year, but he decided to pursue a career in the NFL within management with the Colts.
In Berry's first two seasons with the Colts, he worked as a scouting assistant and in 2011, Berry was promoted to a Pro Scout. Berry only spent 1 year as a Pro Scout, taking on a new role in 2012 as a Pro Scouting Coordinator and remained in that position until hired by the Browns in 2016.
I would hope that others can look at the Browns current management team and identify what could be called "a weak link" within the franchise.
I believe the answer to the 64 MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION is obvious, there is a glaring lack of football experience within management and the 0-14 team we see on the field reflects that weakness. No way should the Browns 2015, 3-13 team, with 14 draft picks in the 2016 draft, end up being worse than the 2015 team.
In short, due to the lack of football experience within the Browns management team, the brain-trust of the Browns took a bad 3-13 team and turned them into the worst team in Browns history. THAT IS THE RECORD OF THIS FRONT OFFICE.
Now that the Browns have addressed their "analytics department"...they need to add more "football experience" to their management team. Then and only then, will the Browns management team be on the same level as the other franchises in our division as well as on a level comparable to the top teams in the NFL.
Hopefully the Browns owners are smart enough to recognize where the weakness is within their own franchise. If they address the lack of football experience with the same determination they exhibited when the "analytics department" needed to be up graded, the future for the Browns will be bright.
Before anyone criticizes my opinion of the Browns lack of football experience, I invite all to compare the football experience level of the Browns top 3 management positions to the experience level of the top teams in the AFC North and the playoff caliber teams for the 2016-17 season.
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The Chief strategy guy is #2 in the office? All Depo is doing is putting the system in place. Are you going to make the IT #3 because that is about the equivalent to a guy that is implementing the statistical systems that we are using.
If this last draft is an indicator I would say Hue Jackson is the #2 guy and Andrew Berry is the #3 guy.
I think that is quite a lot of football experience and you probably would understand that if you didn't decide ahead of time you were get a butt burn about the Depo hire.
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I think that is quite a lot of football experience and you probably would understand that if you didn't decide ahead of time you were get a butt burn about the Depo hire. You bring up the point all the time that mac didn't like this FO as soon as they were hired and that his mind was made up. I am not arguing against that notion, but it seems to me that there are a large number of posters--you included--that defend every move they make and indeed, made your mind up about them before they ever did anything. Why is it okay to give your blessings to a FO by making excuses and apologizing for them, but not the other way around? Aren't they both short-sighted viewpoints? What the heck is wrong w/judging each move based on its own merits? What is wrong w/objectivity? In my eyes, you guys are just as bad as mac. Maybe worse, because there are so many of you.
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I am not arguing against that notion, but it seems to me that there are a large number of posters--you included--that defend every move they make and indeed, made your mind up about them before they ever did anything. That is a very deceitful and misleading statement.
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Ahhhh........there is one of them now. And guess who liked that post? LMAO
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To quote you... Nice post. Typical of your posting style.
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Before anyone criticizes my opinion of the Browns lack of football experience, I invite all to compare the football experience level of the Browns top 3 management positions to the experience level of the top teams in the AFC North and the playoff caliber teams for the 2016-17 season.
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When you look at how light Berry's resume is, I think it's fair to question if he has the experience, skill, and chops to represent the "football" voice in the room. Out of curiosity, how do you know Berry is a/the problem? What are the decisions he's made, or what in this organization has his fingerprints on it that makes you conclude that Andrew Berry isn't good or at least good enough at his job?
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The Chief strategy guy is #2 in the office? All Depo is doing is putting the system in place. Are you going to make the IT #3 because that is about the equivalent to a guy that is implementing the statistical systems that we are using.
It really doesn't matter, does it...because Depodesta is in charge of setting up the analytics system, not judging football talent...right?If this last draft is an indicator I would say Hue Jackson is the #2 guy and Andrew Berry is the #3 guy.
Sashi Brown is the GM of the Browns, in charge of the 53 man roster. Any way you try to slice it, the Browns management team is very weak on NFL experience, with Sashi about to complete his first and only year of experience as a GM.
Andrew Berry was a scouting assistant with the Colts his first 2 yrs before being named as a scout, but only remained a scout for 1 year, before being named the Colts Pro Scout Coordinator, a position that no longer exists in the Colts organization.
Spin it any way you want but it will not change the fact that the experience level on the football side of the Browns management team is very weak.
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Before anyone criticizes my opinion of the Browns lack of football experience, I invite all to compare the football experience level of the Browns top 3 management positions to the experience level of the top teams in the AFC North and the playoff caliber teams for the 2016-17 season.
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When you look at how light Berry's resume is, I think it's fair to question if he has the experience, skill, and chops to represent the "football" voice in the room. Out of curiosity, how do you know Berry is a/the problem? What are the decisions he's made, or what in this organization has his fingerprints on it that makes you conclude that Andrew Berry isn't good or at least good enough at his job?
If the Browns have any hope of turning this franchise around, the success of the 2017 draft will be critical. This might be the most important draft in franchise history, imo.
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I still believe there is a major learning curve, so I expect mistakes from the FO just like with young players.
Problem is, if a young player makes a mistake, we lose a game. When the FO makes a mistake, it could hurt us for years.
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Learning curve. At this point, the "hurt" is overlapping from the ongoing churn we have had. Maybe different, but I do not expect it all to go smoothly or stay bad as a locked in constant. The FO can hurt us worse and longer. I do not feel what I wrote is wrong either, Squires.
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I think that is quite a lot of football experience and you probably would understand that if you didn't decide ahead of time you were get a butt burn about the Depo hire. You bring up the point all the time that mac didn't like this FO as soon as they were hired and that his mind was made up. I am not arguing against that notion, but it seems to me that there are a large number of posters--you included--that defend every move they make and indeed, made your mind up about them before they ever did anything. Why is it okay to give your blessings to a FO by making excuses and apologizing for them, but not the other way around? Aren't they both short-sighted viewpoints? What the heck is wrong w/judging each move based on its own merits? What is wrong w/objectivity? In my eyes, you guys are just as bad as mac. Maybe worse, because there are so many of you. Really? What have been my statements about losing Schwartz in FA? What did I say about the Kessler pick when we made it? When we passed on Dak Prescott to pick him? What did I say about the RG3 experiment when we started it? The Horton hire? It seems that I have criticized the FO more than a few times and will most likely do so in the future as well. What I won't be doing is saying that we must make changes less than one year into a new front office and coaching staff. Guys will be calling for Horton to be fired in a couple of weeks and even though I wasn't a fan when we hired him, I won't be one of them. He needs time just like everybody else. If you are motivated to see something, that's all you are going to see.
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I would put Sashi firmly as the #1 guy and will agree with you that this was his first year as being in the GM role although you and Verse have tried a few times to spin being a contract negotiator in the past as being the GM, so you might have to give him a little more experience if you want to stick with that.
One thing about being a first year GM is that every GM in history was in that same spot. This draft he will be a 2nd year GM and there will be a few other teams out there that will have first year GMs and he will have more GM experience than they have.
Sashi was already in the front office before he was given the job. He wasn't working at the Quik-e-mart.
Hue's football experience goes back to the 80's. I need to ask what your football experience is for you to say that it is putting too much on his plate by giving him a big say in the draft? How many drafts have you been a part of to say this?
With Andrew Berry you have already made a better argument than I could showing that he had been promoted 4 times in 4 years with the Colts before he got here.
Hall of Famer Bill Polian had this to say about Andrew Berry. “Andrew Berry is one of the brightest young men we ever had the pleasure of working with. He came to us very early in his career and very soon we realized he was on a fast track. I am not surprised the Browns hired him for this very important position. I assure you he has both the capacity and the will to do an outstanding job. The Browns have made, in my humble opinion, a great hire.”
I would trust Bill Polian's football experience over yours but that isn't fair because I really don't know the extent of your football experience.
Here's Bill's...
Career history
As executive:
Kansas City Chiefs
(1978–1982) (pro scout)
Montreal Alouettes (scout)
Winnipeg Blue Bombers (personnel director)
Chicago Blitz (personnel director) (1984)
Buffalo Bills (1984–1992)
(1984–1985) (Pro Personnel Director)
(1986–1992) (General Manager)
Carolina Panthers (1995–1997)
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Indianapolis Colts (1998–2011)
(1997–2009) (General Manager)
(1998–2011) (Team President)
Career highlights and awards
Super Bowl champion (XLI)
Grey Cup champion
6x NFL Executive of the Year (1988, 1991, 1995, 1996, 1999, 2009)
Buffalo Bills Wall of Fame inductee (2012)
Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee (2015)
Indianapolis Colts Ring of Honor inductee (2017)
So either you or Bill is wrong about Andrew Berry and it would only be fair of me to await your football experience before I decide.
Please post it below or if it's easier just a link to your Wikipedia page would do. If you could include how many drafts you have participated in, it would be appreciated because it would help me weigh your experience vs Bill's in a way that most applies to the topic. I won't hold a lack of the Superbowl rings against you.
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dep...would that be the same Bill Polian who gave the following opinion of the Browns management? Bill Polian suggests NFL step in if Browns trade Joe Thomas Sportsnaut | Oct 27, 2016 link David Stern would be incredibly proud of this stance. Former Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers and Indianapolis Colts general manager Bill Polian has a solution to the entire mess the Cleveland Browns have found themselves in. Let the NFL step in if the Browns actually decide to trade six-time All Pro tackle Joe Thomas. No, you read that right. Polian, now an analyst for ESPN, suggests that the NFL intervene in order to help the Browns avoid making yet another mistake.
In 2009, after Andrew Berry graduated from Harvard, attempted a NFL career as a UDFA with the Redskins where a herniated disc in Berry's back ended his playing career..when Berry was hired by the Colts as a scouting assistant, his Harvard coach Tim Murphy said this..
"Andrew's really special, for my two cents, he'll be running an NFL team in 15 years. At 37 years old, he'll be running an NFL franchise. I have no question."
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Today, Andrew Berry is only 28 yrs old, with 7 yrs experience in scouting. Give Berry another 9 yrs of experience and believe Berry will be a GM in the NFL.
But today, Berry is not ready and the rest of the Browns management team have less NFL experience than Berry.
JMHO, but I believe the Browns could use some help, someone with experience as a GM.
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Do we all agree that analytics is just an additional tool to be used to help those in charge make personnel decisions?
OR...Is analytics the main tool used to judge football talent?
Also, it appears that the front office stripped the Browns of scouts who did not meet the new "analytics standards" putting what the front office believes is the proper emphasis on "analytics", when judging draft talent.
We can agree on that, right?
The Browns definitely have some of the best when it comes to analytics...nice job of upgrading the "analytics" area of the franchise, Mr and Mrs Haslam !
Now comes the " 64 MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION "....
...in the process of upgrading the "analytics department", did the Browns franchise ignore or undervalue the need for "NFL experience", when it comes to judging football talent?
If we examine the "NFL experience level" of the highest ranking members of the Browns front office, we find.....
...that the #2 man in the Browns organization, the Chief Strategy Officer, Paul Depodesta, has "ZERO" experience at judging "NFL" talent...
...and we find that the #3 man in the Browns organization, the Browns GM, in charge of the 53 man roster, Sashi Brown, also had "ZERO" experience as a GM judging NFL talent, prior to the 2016 draft ...
...Andrew Berry, who started at DB for Harvard for 4 yrs, graduated from Harvard in the spring of 2009 and decided to pursue his dream of playing in the NFL. Berry went un-drafted in the 2009 draft, so he opted to sign as a UDFA with the Washington Redskins. At some point in his first weeks the Redskins doctors discovered that Berry had a herniated disk in his back and that injury ended Berry's dream of playing in the NFL. Berry could have pursued a career on Wall Street where he had worked for the summer prior to his senior year, but he decided to pursue a career in the NFL within management with the Colts.
In Berry's first two seasons with the Colts, he worked as a scouting assistant and in 2011, Berry was promoted to a Pro Scout. Berry only spent 1 year as a Pro Scout, taking on a new role in 2012 as a Pro Scouting Coordinator and remained in that position until hired by the Browns in 2016.
I would hope that others can look at the Browns current management team and identify what could be called "a weak link" within the franchise.
I believe the answer to the 64 MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION is obvious, there is a glaring lack of football experience within management and the 0-14 team we see on the field reflects that weakness. No way should the Browns 2015, 3-13 team, with 14 draft picks in the 2016 draft, end up being worse than the 2015 team.
In short, due to the lack of football experience within the Browns management team, the brain-trust of the Browns took a bad 3-13 team and turned them into the worst team in Browns history. THAT IS THE RECORD OF THIS FRONT OFFICE.
Now that the Browns have addressed their "analytics department"...they need to add more "football experience" to their management team. Then and only then, will the Browns management team be on the same level as the other franchises in our division as well as on a level comparable to the top teams in the NFL.
Hopefully the Browns owners are smart enough to recognize where the weakness is within their own franchise. If they address the lack of football experience with the same determination they exhibited when the "analytics department" needed to be up graded, the future for the Browns will be bright.
Before anyone criticizes my opinion of the Browns lack of football experience, I invite all to compare the football experience level of the Browns top 3 management positions to the experience level of the top teams in the AFC North and the playoff caliber teams for the 2016-17 season.
jmho...mac Cleveland Browns Player Personal Department Andrew Berry Vice President, Player Personnel Ken Kovash Vice President, Player Personnel Kevin Meers Director of Research and Strategy Chisom Opara Director of Player Personnel Bobby Vega Director of College Scouting Dan Saganey Director of Pro Scouting Mike Cetta Director of Scouting Glenn Cook Assistant Director of Scouting Dave Giuliani Football Research Analyst Andrew Healey Senior Strategist for Player Personnel Debbie Kruszynski Executive Assistant, Player Personnel/Manager Football Administrative Services Zach Ayers Scout Charles Bailey Scout Zac Bocian Scout Colton Chapple Scout Lake Dawson Scout Sam DeLuca Scout Ron Hill Scout Gerald McCully Scout Patrick Moore Scout Marshall Oium Scout Max Paulus Scout Josh Cox Scouting Assistant Scott DiBenedetto Scouting Assistant Sam Fioroni Scouting Assistant Branden Francis Scouting Assistant Scott Kaniecki Scouting Assistant Scott Levin Scouting Assistant Keegan Leyrer Scouting Assistant Dax Nollenberger Scouting Assistant Thomas Pack Scouting Assistant Zach Wigmore Scouting Assistant Now as far as the crap you are spewing (which I called you out on before and you just tried to ignore it)about the Browns that the front office stripped the Browns of scouts who did not meet the new "analytics standards" putting what the front office believes is the proper emphasis on "analytics", when judging draft talent That is 110 percent BULL SHEET
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GM...why would someone who praised the hire of Andrew Berry, say the following about the Browns front office management, just a few weeks ago?
Bill Polian suggests NFL step in if Browns trade Joe Thomas
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David Stern would be incredibly proud of this stance. Former Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers and Indianapolis Colts general manager Bill Polian has a solution to the entire mess the Cleveland Browns have found themselves in.
Let the NFL step in if the Browns actually decide to trade six-time All Pro tackle Joe Thomas.
No, you read that right. Polian, now an analyst for ESPN, suggests that the NFL intervene in order to help the Browns avoid making yet another mistake.
Polian also said that Peyton Manning would be qualified to step right into a role similar to the position that the Broncos John Elway now fills. One of the teams mentioned as a possible fit for Manning was Cleveland.
I agree...
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Why would he say that? I don't know maybe we should ask the Bills (who fired him) or the Colts (who also fired him) I mean I didn't hear him calling for his own head when the colts started out 0-13 in 2011.
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[qipte]devil...I didn't say Berry was a problem and that is not my intent, to cast blame.[/quote]
For a guy that doesn't intend to cast blame, you sure do a pretty good impression of one that does.
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[qipte]devil...I didn't say Berry was a problem and that is not my intent, to cast blame. [/quote] What? Where did this come from? Devil is probably the most objective, non-confrontational poster we've got...
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My question is why is it the same posters that always defend and are always apologists for every Browns front office put in place?
and then after the fact they are ousted they still defend the Mangini's etc
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[qipte]devil...I didn't say Berry was a problem and that is not my intent, to cast blame. What? Where did this come from? Devil is probably the most objective, non-confrontational poster we've got... [/quote] I think Daman was replying to a quote from a reply mac made to me... thanks for the compliment but I didn't take offense to Daman's post 
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[qipte]devil...I didn't say Berry was a problem and that is not my intent, to cast blame. What? Where did this come from? Devil is probably the most objective, non-confrontational poster we've got... [/quote] Might be thinking of me being the objective, non-confrontational one?
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Might be thinking of me being the objective, non-confrontational one?
Nope, I believe I know you better than that  . But I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas anyway...
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...jcing...
Everything that was a problem before the game...is still an issue that needs to be addressed by the front office, in the off season.
...Nine QB sacks..9 QB sacks..Bosa and his defensive teammates had a big day.
...I don't know how many QB hits?..but Robert Griffin would agree, in his case, one hit too many (again).
...One starting QB knocked out of the game.
Protecting your QB does have meaning and hopefully the Browns front office realizes "protecting our QB", is a major issue that must be addressed.
What will management do?
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Getting healthy on the O-line will help but yes, we do need to add a player or 2 there be it the draft or FA.
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...jcing...
Everything that was a problem before the game...is still an issue that needs to be addressed by the front office, in the off season.
...Nine QB sacks..9 QB sacks..Bosa and his defensive teammates had a big day.
...I don't know how many QB hits?..but Robert Griffin would agree, in his case, one hit too many (again).
...One starting QB knocked out of the game.
Protecting your QB does have meaning and hopefully the Browns front office realizes "protecting our QB", is a major issue that must be addressed.
What will management do? The QB getting rid of the ball is another way to protect him, just saying. And any QB is going to need reps with the whole group to be able to get the ball out quickly consistently. Familiarity helps all involved, and we unfortunately had very little of that this season. I don't think it's the only factor, but I do think it's a big one. We need to have a season where we don't have a QB battle (not splitting reps) and then that guy needs to stay healthy. Probably a pipe dream, but I don't think anyone is going to come in from outside and be a rock star right away either. I'm not saying we have the guy on the roster now, but it's really hard to evaluate with how little they'd all played together. RG3 got most of the reps and then went and got hurt. The OL is a factor, but so is the QB's pocket presence and decision making. I don't think it's going to be easy to upgrade our OL through the draft. Familiarity plays in there, too.
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Getting healthy on the O-line will help but yes, we do need to add a player or 2 there be it the draft or FA.
A recent study gives some good information about this injury and the recovery period. Here are the first two paragraphs of that article...Most NFL Players with Injuries to the Midfoot Return to Game Action, Penn Medicine Study Finds March 27, 2015 LAS VEGAS — Nearly 93 percent of National Football League (NFL) athletes who sustained traumatic injuries to the midfoot returned to competition less than 15 months after injury and with no statistically significant decrease in performance, according to new research from thePerelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. The findings, which focus on Lisfranc injuries – characterized by fracture of the midfoot bones and/or disruption of the midfoot ligaments – between 2000-2010, were presented today at the American Association of Orthopaedic Surgeons (AAOS) annual conference in Las Vegas. “While Lisfranc injuries have a reputation for resulting in poor player performance in the NFL, our study is the first to fully assess their career impact, including effect on athletic performance following return to competition,” said lead author Kevin J. McHale, MD, a fifth-year orthopedic resident at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. “Our findings will assist sports physicians in setting realistic goals and expectations when selecting a plan of care. They will also help address such important questions from athletes as ‘Will I ever play again? Will I be back in time for playoffs? How will this injury affect my performance after I return?’” ...for the rest of the article, here is the link
I believe the best approach for the Browns is not to rush either player back..give them enough time to heal.
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...you do your best not to insult, instigate arguments or make negative posts...
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