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*LOL* ... u really need to pay attention Vers ...

Alright.

Your America first? .. *LOL* ,,,, that couldn't be further from the truth ...

Your solution to putin wanting to build nucs that can get through any defense system is to bend over for him ..... while Trump and my squad want to make sure the jack ass fear us ....

And were the ones with the knee pads on ... *LOL* ..

Well alright then ... once again ... u got me ...

You damn right I'm America first. I put my money where my mouth is.

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Times.

We have 7000 nukes. If people don't fear us by now then they NEVER will. You don't even realize how ridiculous you sound right now.

All that nonsense you was whining about with regards to government spending. Please just shut the hell up now. You never cared about government spending. You only cared who was doing it.

Your boy is advocating to increase federal spending by expanding our nuke program, and yet the only person you're trying to aim your heat at is me?

Get out of my face, fraud. You have zero credibility

Apparently acting like a commie loving racist is the label applied to someone who disagrees with liberals.

Anyone who disagrees with liberals these days is labeled racist.

I know it's a moot point anyway, but he USSR was a socialistic government that strove for communism. They were not communists as many of their early leaders would tell you (Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Goldman, Kropotkin, etc., etc.)

Also communists aren't liberals, but that's a discussion for another day...

Really? ... get out of your face? ... *L* ,,, u got some thin ass skin dude ...

Thought u might be interested in why Putin thinks u lost ... *LOL* ...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/23/putin-on-us-elections-dont-blame-me-dems.html

Putin reaches out to Trump, while thumping Dems

Russian President Vladimir Putin followed up a warm letter to Donald Trump with a more terse message for U.S. Democrats Friday: Don't blame me for your November drubbing.

Russian President Vladimir Putin followed up a warm letter to Donald Trump with a more terse message for U.S. Democrats Friday: Don't blame me for your November drubbing.

President-elect Trump on Friday released the Dec. 15 note from Putin, who Democrats blame for tilting the election Trump won against Hillary Clinton, and called it a "very nice letter."

In it, Putin wished Trump "warmest Christmas" greetings and expressed hope that Trump would "bring our level of collaboration on the international scene to a qualitatively new level."

In addition to praising the tone of the letter from Putin, Trump said, "His thoughts are so correct. I hope both sides are able to live up to these thoughts, and we do not have to travel an alternate path."

But Putin, in a year-ending address from Moscow Friday, had a different message for Democrats as he offered his analysis of the American political scene.

“Democrats are losing on every front and looking for people to blame everywhere," he said. "They need to learn to lose with dignity.



“The Democratic Party lost not only the presidential elections, but elections in the Senate and Congress. .…Is that also my work?” he said.

He went on to ridicule Democrats for never-say-die efforts to overturn the Nov. 8 presidential election, first by calling for recounts, then trying to get electors to flip.

"The fact that the current ruling party called Democratic has blatantly forgotten the original definition of its name is evident if one takes into consideration unscrupulous use of administrative resource and appeals to electors not to concede to voters’ choice," Putin said, according to the Russian news agency Tass.

The former KGB officer even invoked President Ronald Reagan, the staunch anti-communist who worked with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev to end the Cold War in the 1980s.

"I think Reagan would have been glad to see representatives of his party winning everywhere," the president said. "And he would have been happy for the newly elected president [Donald Trump], who was sensitive enough to feel the moods of the society and worked exactly within that paradigm, going to the end, though nobody but you and I believed that he would win."

"Outstanding figures in American history from the ranks of the Democratic Party would likely be turning in their graves. [Franklin D.] Roosevelt certainly would be."

Supporters of defeated Democratic standard-bearer Hillary Clinton have cited alleged Russian “hacking” of the election for her surprising loss on Nov. 8.

Putin moved back his news conference a day to attend the funeral of his ambassador to Turkey, Andrei Karlov, who was assassinated at an Ankara art gallery in a brazen public shooting by a Turkish policeman shouting slogans about the war in Syria.

What's wrong with loving?

*Climbs up on a step ladder and kisses the top of Swishes head*

still kissing Putin's ass so early in the morning, huh?

Spoken like a true commie

CHS, what do you think of this analysis on the hacking issue:

Why don't we view this as an illegal (or undocumented) immigration issue?

People coming across a border bypassing official access points, security measures, and ignoring laws for moving here is the physical intrusion of a sovereign place.

What is hacking if it isn't the virtual bypassing official access points, security measures, and ignoring of laws... the electrical intrusion of a sovereign place?

If we were talking about people Democrats would say that they should be forgiven for hacking our borders and that their presence here represents a greater good... be it contributing to the economy or at a minimum the ever so vague "diversity makes us stronger".

The greater in this case is that the Russians exposed the massive corruption of a major political party and their documented, concerted efforts to rig a Presidential Election. Who knows what calamity they may have saved us from!

As far as I can tell, Trump isn't actually talking about increasing nuclear war heads, but is speaking about advancing the technology in the way they are deployed. I actually think that's a great idea.

I'll have to see how this all unfolds but if that's the intent, I'm all for it.

So Vlad saved America from itself?

Very interesting.

Sure am glad he is buds with our Prez!

Well, um, I view the hacking thing from multiple angles. None of which relate to illegal immigration. But let me quickly summarize my thoughts before the game + food.

A) Hacking isn't an attack. This has been the official response from every nation within the UN and more importantly the UNSC. Honestly, there's pretty much no framework to describe hacking or how to react to it in most countries. I think most countries classify it as some sort of surveillance.

B) This would not be a problem if the Democrats ran a transparent party that demanded inclusiveness from both party leaders and party members. Instead they were too busy fancying themselves as new age Machiavellis.

C) This wouldn't be an issue if the media did their job. I understand that "Security" is more important than ever in our country. Thus it is hard to find a "balance" between "security" and being a transparent government. However, this "security" is a trojan horse at best and isn't real. The media needs to push for a more transparent government instead of couching itself with political parties for higher access to discussions.

D) It sucks that Russia did it. But I don't care. The US has been involved in so many coups, that I can't care. It'd be hypocritical of me to come down hard on Russia when we have done far worse in most countries. Take Russia's two former allies as a recent example. Both Ukraine and Syria's government had people rebel after protesters and military members were shot with snipers. That's a pretty big coincidence that both Ukraine and Syria would have mirrored revolutions stemming from the same issue. I'm sure the US had nothing to do with that.

E) Anyone who doesn't think the Republican party did the same to Trump are fooling themselves. The primaries showed how outwardly vitriolic the establishment GOP was to Donald Trump. Do you think that died down within the party's HQs during those months? Absolutely not.

I think it's an interesting negotiation tactic. He loves to negotiate from positions of strength. Nuclear proliferation is one of those topics that are agreed upon for compromises elsewhere. But you do have to wonder, what's the point, if MAD (mutually assured destruction) states that no one will use nukes. Now, there has been concern in recent years that terrorist will get their hands on a nuke and smuggle one into the US. However, imo, that's a bunch of hearsay to make us scared. I see no reason why Russia wouldn't be more terrified of the idea since they actually deal with antagonistic neighbors and terrorists within their walls. I would bet that Russia is far more worried about Chechian rebels attacking their country than we are worried about ISIL attacking ours.

From what I am hearing, our Nukes and Russia's Nukes are getting so old and outdated that we are on the threshold of MAD no longer being viable. MAD assures each side that an attack on the other will lead to the death of us all, if however one side thinks the other sides Nukes won't work or will have a high failure rate, the temptation to attack will override the fear of destruction.

It may be time for upgrades.

I think, therefore I am.

If we're as dumb as this post, we deserve to die in a nuclear holocaust.

It'd be Darwinism at its finest.

Okay, I'm showing my ignorance again. Please enlighten me...How is this post dumb? All things should be updated from time to time.

Because we've been constantly updating our nuclear stockpile for decades now. Expanding warheads far beyond thermonuclear. Our goal with proliferation has been to cut out the nukes that don't work and replacing them with moder ones. Obama passed a trillion dollar budget to further modernizing our nukes earlier this year.

And all that aside 10% of 7k nukes is still enough nukes to blow up our planet a few times over.

Okay, I guess I was reading that to mean we need to update the older stuff. Thanks

Even a POS like Putin is right sometimes ...and he's 100% correct here ... truth hurt's dude ... your just mad cause he's right ... *LOL*

If telling the truth = kissing ass in your book ... guess i'm kissing ass ...

Been waiting for someone to finally bring this up ....

YO SWISH ... did u see that? .. your boy oBUMa passed a trillion dollar upgrade to our nucs earlier this year .. A TRILLION DOLLARS SWISH ...

How do u feel about that one Swish? ...

Probably fine because Obama passed a nuclear proliferation with Russia a few years ago that made both countries dismantle a large amount of their nuclear war heads.

Feel about what?

Did obama state he wanted to get into an arms race?

Do you even pay attention to what I post? Obama didn't expand the number of nukes we have. Trump wants to.

You realize that's the argument, right?

You also realize how ignorant you are? Obama has continue to REDUCE the number of nukes we have.

I understand that facts is hard for you to grasp, hopefully santa gifted you The ability to search for information this holiday season, cause you desperately need it.

I took it as 40 gets his news from Alex Jones and a ham radio and both of them suggest MAD is not the prevailing philosophy of nuclear war because how bad could 200 nukes hurt?

As usual, our Liberal friends know so much that just isn't so. Let us see what the Wall Street Journal has to say...

Can America Trust Its Aging Nuclear Arsenal?

The U.S. must reinvest in its nuclear-arms complex

By STEVEN E. KOONIN
Updated Oct. 15, 2016 11:40 p.m. ET

Much talk during this election cycle has focused, understandably, on the fitness of the presidential candidates to command the formidable nuclear arsenal of the United States. What has been lost in this heated debate is a more fundamental issue: the condition of our nuclear weapons and their reliability in the years ahead.

To ensure future deterrence, the U.S. needs to have a well-maintained nuclear-weapons “complex,” as we in the field call it—that is, the array of laboratories and specialized industrial plants within the Department of Energy that keep our nuclear arsenal in working condition. That complex faces serious challenges today and could begin to break down within the next decade, with dire ramifications for the security of the U.S. and the world.

It has been 25 years since we last performed a nuclear test, the newest designs in our stockpile date from 40 years ago, and some of our key research and maintenance facilities are now more than 60 years old. The crucial question today is what it will take for us to continue to have confidence in these systems.

The goal should be a long-term strategic view of managing our nuclear-weapons complex and investing in it. Otherwise, the question of who can be entrusted with the nuclear “button” will eventually give way to concerns about whether, in that awful eventuality, the button is connected to anything that actually works.

Read the entire report at...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/can-america-trust-its-aging-nuclear-arsenal-1476464734

Steve Koonin, a climate denier, pens an article that says, we need to invest in nuclear war infrastructure, 8 months after Obama passed a trillion dollar budget for it, stating that in a decade we might have a problem with our infrastructure. guess I really wasn't joking about 40 getting his news from a ham radio. You just can't make this stuff up haha

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb

A second's worth of research shows that the US is still developing new nuclear war head designs. Who else knows what this guy is lying about. Funny how he says, "The crucial question today is what it will take for us to continue to have confidence in these systems." the dude is clearly in a sell mode. It's no surprise that this is A) an op-ed and b) a reason why no one trusts the MSM.

Well at least your source isn't "The Young Turds" this time.

I've never linked the Young Turks and I don't even read/watch their news.

see anything good 'news' on liveleaks today? besides Russian car crashes, of course.

Please tell me exactly what signing a bill to put a TRILLION DOLLARS into our nuclear program is saying? ...

Can't wait for this one ... oughta be worth a good long laugh ..



Most of the time ... whenever i need a good laugh i read u ... and thats not a shot, its the truth ...

Trump never said he wants to expand the number of nukes we have .. your lying again ... your making 1 + 1 = 4 or 5 ... your taking and running with what he said while ignoring the parts that don't fit your BS ...

PS. In my world ... ACTIONS speak louder than words ... oBUMa signed the bill .. all Trump has done so far is have a verbal backand forth with Putin and let the world know ... we won't bend over anymore ...



A trillion dollars will change that toot sweet ... but hey ... u just keep IGNORING 1/2 the FACTS cause they don't support your BS ...

And the FACT is U nor I have no clue what Trump will do with the nukes we have in our arsenal ... NO CLUE ... but u keep acting like u do as long as u can take more baseless shots at the Donald ....

Now we can ad ignorant to STUPID, LUSH and 4 or 5 other real buets ...



The issue here isn't my inability to grasp facts ..... its the fact that i actually look at ALL the FACTS and just don't pick and choose the ones i like ,,..

You can't be serious.

I guess santa failed to deliver the gift. All well, I will.

Merry Christmas.

The end goal is to have ~2500-4000 modern day nuclear war heads instead of 7,000. Obama has been highly critical of nukes and believes that no one "should" have them.

The trillion goes into infrastructure and delivery systems as well as just bombs.

Awww. Yup me, and some people around here don't think you care.

Witch part wouldn't I be serious about? ... u tell me ...

- did oBUMa sign a ONE TRILLION dollar expenditure into BUILDING NUKES? ....

Hmmmm ... u can't be disputing that part ... can u? ...

- did Trump do anymore than TALK and TWEET about how he would react to different scenarios .... what more did he do than respond to Putin's words earlier that day ... NOTHING ... he said if u do A, B will not be a problem .... LIKE HE SHOULD ....

Oh ... he also told China and that freak in Korea party times over .... were no longer your doormat .... mind your business ..... c u at the negotiating table with my NEW KILLER NEGOTIATORS .... these guys are the cream of the crop ... this is going to be fun ....

What part wasn't i serious about? ...

- was it when i pointed out Trump's entire tweet and not just the 1/2 u want to focus on like that was the entire thing? .. is that what upsets u .. THE TRUTH ... I know ... it doesn't play well in your little reality ....

Sorry Swish ... your 1/2 stories aren't cutting it ... i like the entire story, but thats just me ...

Trump will soon be writing his first chapter .... lets hope its a good one for all americans ... we'll see ... and i for one can't wait ...

Leadership is a wonderful thing. I really could get used to it again after not having seen any for such a very long eight years.

T

So you have a link saying obama increased the number of nukes?

Cause if not, you're full of crap, as usual.

Modernizing our nuke program is beyond different then stating that we should get into an arms race.

Obama has continued to reduce the numbers of nukes. Facts.

Trump wants to get into an arms race. Facts.

So what half truths?

What's said is you can't even state half truths. You're just wrong and misinformed.

You're defending nonsense right now. It's really pathetic. It's disappointing that you would support increasing the number of nukes.

Also, you're just proving that you're nothing more than a massive hypocrite who can't be taken seriously.

At all.

I swear there are about 5-6 guys on this board that in crunch time would sell us out to Putin, or any enemy for that matter.

Some of y'all would sing like birds if y'all got captured, or hell, y'all would sing like birds if offered money. Defending Putin, Russia?

I don't care how y'all feel about me after this comment. I can't ever roll, and be boys with commie lovers and Putin defenders.

That's close to being as unamerican as you can get.

I'm honestly thankful not to be associated with some of y'all in real life. Y'all love Russia so much, surprised y'all haven't moved there.