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Gents, I agree and please understand I take nothing away from Dak's athleticism nor what he has achieved. All I am saying is Kessler *could* be soaring higher if we had a competent, bruising, bullish Oline from L-R like the 'boys. There is no denying Dak's poise and playmaking abilities but, there is also no denying he and Zeke both benefit from a brilliant Oline. Kessler on the other hand has been a victim of our Oline.

CBS mock has us taking:

Garrett
Adams

Perfect. If we don't like Trubisky or he's gone, that's the target.

Trubisky went 4th.
Hooker 10th
King 32nd

Lattimore available at 33?

Give me Allen and Hooker if possible

I dunno much about Hooker. I've watched a decent amount of Ohio State but never keyed on him I guess.

I have noticed Adams when watching LSU though. Remember him from last year too. That guy is a sure fire long-term starter in the NFL. Good chance of being a pro-bowl player.

That's who I want with our 2nd 1st round pick. But I doubt he'll even drop to us. That guy is good at everything. Always seems to be around the ball, he can cover, and he can play the run.

Sounds exactly like someone we'd want as a safety

I am not being confrontational, but if you have watched "a decent amount of Ohio State," how in the heck could you not have noticed him? The guy literally--and figuratively--jumps on the TV screen and screams rare and stud athlete.

I didn't know much about him before the season, but I came on here after our first game this year and brought up what a freakish athlete this guy is. His vertical is amazing. His hands are awesome. He sure plays fast. His measurables will probably be off the charts if he decides to enter the draft.

How the hell have you not noticed the best player on Ohio States team?

Immediately what I thought as well.

To be fair, Petey did say "keyed", not "noticed"...

Yeah, he's OK.

Has he declared for the draft? Last I heard, he was coming back to Ohio State for another season. Has he changed his mind on that?

Last thing I heard was that he said he was staying in school. But, these draft guys keep moving him up their boards..........so, who knows?

To clarify, before someone takes my head off, I am not saying he is staying in school or entering the draft. I have no idea.

I am just commenting on him as a player. The guy is a true physical freak w/a huge ceiling. And as you probably have figured out over the many years we have been posting together.........I don't throw that type of praise around very often.

JC..

Columbus Dispatch reported Hooker saying he was 100% committed to staying in school.. then a week later cleveland.com writes this article..

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2016/12/why_malik_hooker_is_probably_l.html

Why Malik Hooker is probably lying about coming back to Ohio State next season


Malik Hooker on the NFL decision
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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- If somebody put a briefcase filled with millions of dollars on the table, slid it forward and offered it to you, would you say no?

Malik Hooker basically said he wouldn't take the money last week when he put it out there that he's "100 percent coming back" to Ohio State next season.

Don't celebrate. Hooker is probably telling a white lie. But what he's doing makes sense.

"There are a lot of people, social media, just questioning whether I am coming back and stuff like that," Hooker said. "So that's just to answer their question for right now. I don't need a lot of people calling me or messaging me and stuff like that wondering if I'm coming back.

"Like I said, as of right now, I'm definitely coming back next year until I sit down and talk to the coaching staff and my family."

There's that phrase again: Right now.

Regardless of what happens between now and mid-January -- whether the Buckeyes win a national title or not -- Hooker is going to be one of the top-rated defensive backs on NFL draft boards.

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Also.. I've mentioned this a coupla times now.. I see all this talk of the Browns talking Garrett, Allen, Trubisky etc..

Do you guys really, honestly think thats going to happen? You all remember the old saying.. Watch what they do.. not what they say. They told us there was a priority on resigning their own players.. they did not.

They traded down at least twice last year.. look at what they are doing! They are building thru the draft and I have to believe their analytical model says that more picks is worth more than the higher pick.

Haslam has signed off on their course of action and I believe DePo and Sashi are committed to this analytical model. I will be shocked if we take the first pick.. I think it will be anywhere between the 2nd and about the 8th or so.

I'm not sure how many OSU players would come back if they won a Championship. These kids pick colleges because they want to win Championships and get drafted in the first two rounds... Well, we're at the doorstep of those two goals. If they win they have no reason to stay.

My preference right now is to get Garrett and Reuben Foster with our 2 firsts ..... but if Hooker comes out this year, then I would definitely try to get him with our 2nd 1st rounder instead. I think that he could be an Ed Reed type talent at FS, and would have a major impact on our defense.

I want to make a massive impact on our defense, and I think that we have a real opportunity to do so in this coming draft.

Hooker. Please come out.

If we move down and let the 2 ELITE players in this draft get by us (Garrett and Allen) I will be joining DIAM in the notion that this crap is doomed to FAIL.

There's a real opportunity to improve all 3 levels of the defense this draft. I also suspect - and only based on history - that at least 1 team will try and move up to grab a QB whose stock has soared. If we can trade down a pick or 2 and STILL get Garrett or Allen whilst picking up
extra picks I'm all for that. However we have to walk away with bonafide blue chip talent. So Allen or Garrett plus one of Foster, McDowell, Cunningham, Humphrey, Adams or Hooker. That would make an immediate impact to our D.

This is obviously ignoring us being one of those teams who feel one if the QBs is "it". Personally I wait till next year but if the FO, Hue and the staff believe in one of the QBs go get him.

maybe someone will want to jump SF to take Trubisky (Chicago, Jacksonville, Arizona, etc). Trade back to a spot still in the top 10, and still take two elite players

With that 1st pick there are only 3 places that I would be satisfied coming away with. Garrett and Allen defensively are clearly the cream of the crop. The only other player I would even consider is Trubisky, if he studs out in film study. I like his size and the way he throws the ball, but how long will it take his mind to progress to an adequate level (let alone a premier level) coming from such a simplistic offense?

We need to fix the pass rush. Garrett, please.

I too am hoping Hooker comes out. Dude is a fantastic safety.

Garrett and Hooker would be a nice add.

J/c

Your score is: 8909 (GRADE: B-)
http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=a78480a3-7b78-41dc-84b4-9d0fab254662

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (A-)
Round 1 Pick 8: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford (A-)
Round 3 Pick 1: Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Eddie Jackson, SS, Alabama (B)
Round 5 Pick 31: Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (A-)

^^ J/c

I usually think defense 1st.

But lately I've been thinking about all the hang-ups I've heard on this thread and Browns fans in general. Then I factor in Hue's background and reputation as an offensive mind that prior to the Browns had a run 1st mindset.

Then, considering that whether or not it takes more resources to fix an offense or defense AND whether or not fans will notice or care about an improving defense if the offense still struggles. And looking at this years time of possession I think fielding an offense that can sustain drives could help the defense more then improving the defense would help the offense...etc..

Long story short I've been wondering what this draft could be if the objective was to address the offense 1st while still keeping a BPA philosophy.

what would you guys think about packaging our 2nd and Tennessee's 2nd for Tennessee's or Philly's (f/Minn) or Washington's 1st (16 or 17) and do this with rounds 1 & 2?

1) Myles Garrett, OLB Texas A&M
8) Jamal Adams, SS LSU
17) Malik Hooker, FS Ohio State

Is that too much into the safety position? If these guys turn out to hit the comparison players people make for them (Von Miller, Troy P, Ed Reed) then it seems like it would be a great haul. But then we still don't have CBs, a C, or a QB and no more picks until 65.

I think our front office will not trade any picks to get less picks.

Ive not seen enough of the QBs but if I was looking to improve the offense I'd draft Fournette with that second pick (if he is there of course). I think he'd make more of a difference right away and would help whoever we have under center. I think Elliott has helped Prescott, along with the OL, etc. So many options but Garrett and Fournette not only has a lovely sound to it phonetically but would be a real difference. I change my mind each mock I do - that's what gaps does to ya!

I'm not a fan of that at all. I don't understand the love for adams. His tape was horrible to me. But even trying to leave that out using two 1st rounders on the safety position is absurd to me. Personally I find safety, esp fs, to be the least important position of the 22. Even if they work out safeties just don't impact every play often enough to warrant so much attention. Also why is hooker all of a sudden back when he clearly said he was returning already? Wishful thinking?

I kind of hope Hooker goes back to school and we can get him next season. Breaking in two new starters at safety this season has been ugly. I do really like Hooker's ability but think he could use some more experience.

I think Hooker could struggle early in Horton's system, but I wouldn't be upset if things played out that way. I think all 3 players have Pro Bowl potential. That first season could be rough though as we do still have a lot of holes.

I think what we are really missing as much as anything is interior DL. Both as far as interior pressure and holding up against the run, and Allen looks like he can do both.

Trying to predict how this draft will play out is kind of rough. I need to dig in more on the interior DL players, but right now it looks like pretty slim pickings after Allen and McDowell. Who knows when the QBs will end up going.

Edge rushers and Secondary look pretty deep, but there could be runs on either one.

Your score is: 10047 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 1 Pick 8: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford (A-)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Elijah Qualls, DT, Washington (A+)
Round 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (D+)

http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=3a9c7359-d3e5-4297-86d2-d58f45e3307c

Your score is: 9274 (GRADE: B)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 1 Pick 8: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin (B+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson (A+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (B+)
Round 5 Pick 31: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Dominick Sanders, FS, Georgia (D)

http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=3a9c7359-d3e5-4297-86d2-d58f45e3307c

Your score is: 9677 (GRADE: B+)
http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=3a9c7359-d3e5-4297-86d2-d58f45e3307c

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 8: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin (B+)
Round 2 Pick 17: O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Eddie Jackson, SS, Alabama (B)
Round 5 Pick 31: Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A+)

Your score is: 10488 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 8: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Lowell Lotulelei, DT, Utah (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Scott Quessenberry, OG, UCLA (B+)
Round 5 Pick 31: Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A+)

http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=e83467e2-99c0-4247-9dd7-d72aa4a98f91

http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=e83467e2-99c0-4247-9dd7-d72aa4a98f91

Your score is: 9035 (GRADE: B)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (A-)
Round 1 Pick 8: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Eddie Jackson, SS, Alabama (B)
Round 5 Pick 31: Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama (F)

Haven't seen too many in here talking about Jabrill Peppers or mentioning him in any mocks. If so, I apologize in advance for missing it.

Thoughts on him?

Jabrill Pepper's coverage ability has sparked debate that can only rival the Allen/Garrett debates that we've had.

Personally, I think he's going to be a super star at the next level. I think he might even be the next Troy P. He's just an animal.

CHS....where would you take him and at what expense would you pay/draft wise to get him to CLE?

Thanks for the article, Saint.

I'd love to see Hooker in a Brown's uniform. He is a true FS. Those guys are hard to find.

Someone mentioned Fournette. Yuck. Would not touch him w/a ten foot pole. That would be an awful pick in my opinion.

I did like steve's idea, but I get dizzy when people start talking trades.

I don't know if we'd pick him, but I still REALLY like Malik McDowell. I remember reading the front office liked Buckner. McDowell is a better version of Buckner imo. He has the 2nd highest ceiling in the draft.

I like McDowell, but was not a fan of Buckner.

The biggest difference between the two for me is Malik's motor. He played for a bad team, but never gave up. I think it's what ultimately caused him to get hurt.

Sometimes I like the randomness of the site and sometimes it drives me crazy.

Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 8: Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A-)
Round 2 Pick 17: Ryan Anderson, OLB/DE, Alabama (B+)
Round 3 Pick 1: Marcus Maye, FS, Florida (B+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson (A-)
Round 5 Pick 31: Forrest Lamp, OG, Western Kentucky (D-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas (A+)

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Ramczyk was who I had in mind with that 2-1 pick, but he wasn't there this time.

I actually prefer King to Ramczyk, but there's not a tackle I like later and I was going to take Awuzie instead of Maye.

I'd take that though. A replacement for JT can wait another season or two.