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I'd be livid if we gave up a high 1st for that guy.

Price is high just bc he's a patriot.

On the other hand we would finally be able to fix the QB position in "one swell foop", and that after getting a premier pass rusher with 1A.

Until he lands on his shoulder again.

There in lies the crux of the problem ... if we knew Jimma was the answer .. i'm sure there'd be no one on here that wouldn't give up 1b or more than likely 1a for him ... NO ONE ... to bad we have to wait 2 or 3 years to know exactly what he's worth ... we have to pay before we have any clue what the results will be ... and we've been pretty bad at that for years .. hopefully the Harvard Boys and Hue (who i have no faith in) can finally get it right ...

Will be interesting to see how this unfolds ..

U also have to throw Romo into the mix ... not so much for us but the two aren't mutually exclusive and it will be interesting to see how they affect each others "price" on the market ...

FYI ...

Robert Griffin III - QB - Browns
Browns coach Hue Jackson said Robert Griffin III will start Week 17 against the Steelers barring any setbacks.
Griffin cleared the concussion protocol and returned to practice on Thursday. The quarterback is coming off his best game of the season, but it is still possible he is benched for Cody Kessler during the game. Neither is a fantasy option.
Source: Nate Ulrich on Twitter Dec 29 - 1:08 PM

Browns' Joe Thomas on RG3: 'I wouldn't be shocked if he was our guy at the beginning of next season'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/12/browns_joe_thomas_on_rg3_i_wou.html

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com on December 28, 2016 at 4:28 PM, updated December 29, 2016 at 9:29 AM

BEREA, Ohio -- Joe Thomas joined Hue Jackson and Browns associate head coach Pep Hamilton in saying Robert Griffin III still has a chance to be the team's quarterback of the future.

"I think you've seen franchise-level talent for sure and I wouldn't write him off by any stretch of the imagination,'' said Thomas, who communicates frequently with Jackson. "I wouldn't be shocked at all if he was our guy at the beginning of next season because I think he's shown enough that if they do decide to make Robert the guy, I think he can definitely be they guy and I think he'd have the support of the locker room.''

Thomas, who's blocked for 20 quarterbacks since 2007, acknowledged that "we've got a limited amount of film on him so far,'' but that he's shown enough improvement over the past three weeks to warrant another look next season.

Thomas' remarks follow in on the heels of Hamilton, who said two weeks ago "without a doubt, he has the potential to be what he was his rookie year and more.''

Griffin might get another chance this season to state his case after getting knocked out of Sunday's 20-17 victory over the Chargers with a concussion. If the fog clears, Jackson will play him Sunday in Pittsburgh to help bring the QB picture into focus heading into the off-season.

"I think there's an opportunity, but we'll know more about it tomorrow so we'll leave it there until we find out more,'' he said.

Griffin remained in the concussion protocol as of Wednesday, but Jackson is holding out hope he'll play.

"If they clear him, maybe the concussion wasn't as bad as we all thought, No. 1,'' said Jackson. "We wouldn't put him back out there unless medically we say it's OK. No. 2, we've seen him get better from the first opportunity to the second to the third. Hopefully, he can keep making jumps as you go because that says a lot to me. I would like to if we could, but if we can't, I understand that, too."

Does Jackson have enough film on Griffin to make a sound decision? He's due a $750,000 roster bonus in March and is under contract for $6 million next season. It's the going rate for a bridge quarterback, meaning the Browns could bring him back and let him compete with whoever else they bring in, whether it be a veteran such as New England's Jimmy Garoppolo or a rookie such as North Carolina's Mitch Trubisky.

"Once I'm able to go back and sit down when this is over and look back through it in a different lens of just watching our guys play, I think I will be able to make that determination ... [but] I'd like to see him play a little more and continue to see if he can grow and get better."

Griffin, who remained inside during Wednesday's practice, has made it clear to the coach that he wants to face the Steelers, who will rest starters Ben Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell.

"He seems like Robert,'' said Jackson. "Obviously, he likes to play. It's really interesting, Cody (Kessler) and him, they have to go through the protocol. Obviously, it's the right thing to take these young men through when something like this happens so I totally support how they go about it, but they want to be out there with their teammates.

"Sometimes we have to reel them in a little bit because they have to do the right thing by the rules. They get it. Whatever decision comes down from that, we will all understand and abide by it."

Jackson was asked if it's more telling that Griffin won the game or got knocked out of it. In four starts this season, he's been injured twice on scrambles: the fractured shoulder in week one and the concussion in week 15.

"Hopefully, it's the fact that he won a game, but you have to stay healthy,'' said Jackson. "I'll be the first to tell you that. It's hard to play in this league when you're not out there playing. He did everything to help us have a chance to win the game. He played better in some areas, but you have to find a way to stay out there.

"In respect to how it was, the guy took a lot of different hits - some that he can get better at but a lot that where we have to continue to get better at. I think it goes both ways."

Griffin improved week-to-week after his return from the fractured shoulder three games ago. He was understandably shaky and off-target in his first game back against the Bengals, but was more accurate and made better decisions in the loss to Buffalo.

Against the Chargers, he provided a spark for the second straight week with his legs as well as his arm, and displayed better touch on his intermediate passes. He also missed the open man less frequently.

"I thought he did a good job of standing in there in the first half and delivering some balls on third down and made some crucial third down throws and runs,'' said Jackson. "He made some first downs with his legs, which extended drives which gave us a chance to score more points. I think we had probably more yards, more first downs, more points in the first half than we have had in a long time, and that is kind of the way you hope to play."

It's not where the Jackson needs him to be, but it was an intriguing enough performance that Jackson might want keep him around. Afterall, he was Jackson's pet project.

But one thing Griffin hasn't done in his four starts is throw a TD pass.

"I don't know (why),'' Jackson said. "We haven't thrown one. We've had chances and just didn't hook up. He has to make those plays. We have to make those plays. Hopefully, this week, if he plays, we will find a way and see if we can throw one before he walks out of here."

^Wow^....

LOL.....it never ends w/the Browns.

Joe Thomas spittin that truth

He's just saying things a vet would say at a time like this, trying to be positive . I wouldn't be shocked if RG3 is the starter next year in week 1, either.

Joe Thomas has been in "IDGAF" for quite awhile now when it comes to the media.

No disrespect to Joe Thomas, but if he was shocked every time he says he was shocked, his hair would look like Jamie Collins's.

That's one crazy hairdo.
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Browns' RG3 not sure he'll be back but 'I can help this team win games'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

RG3 was looking much better in the Steelers game. I would not be shocked either if the front office stays with him as the starter. Given the weakness of the draft in QB's I would not blame them at all.

Yea, Razor, it will be VERY interesting what they do with him. Keep him? Cut him? Even if we keep him as the starter we need a decent backup because he gets injured so much.

Time will tell.

We already have one.....Kessler

Man.....I don't know if Kessler should be considered a decent backup just yet. The guy stunk up the field this year.

I am hoping the Browns swing the trade for Jimmy G. However, if they can't make that happen, I think going w/RGIII and Kessler for one more year is better than spending a high pick on one of the qbs in this year's draft.

I agree.
With all of your post.

That probably makes you "dumb," too.

Then I am down there with you guys.

I can't take another year of Griffin or Kessler hoping they get it. We've seen this movie before. It's like running in place and never getting anywhere. It will probably cause another reboot as well.

In RG3 and Kessler, we saw two guys who weren't comfortable making plays from the pocket. I belive in Griffin's case it's because he can't process information fast enough. I believe in Kessler's case he doesn't have confidence in his arm. If you believe that in order to win on a consistent basis a QB will have to make professional throws from the pocket, then what's the point in trotting these guys back out there. It's silly.

Starting one or both of those guys next year is going to cost someone their job. And then it's another start over.

And I can't stomach to watch more bad QB play and more losses. But the worst thing about watching those things is the sense of hopelessness knowing the answer isn't on the roster and we can't truly turn around this franchise until it is.

Kessler's already had two concussions, I'm thinking one or two more and that might be it for him? How many can one player take until that's that?

Rish, I don't think either guy is the long-term answer.

However, I have a couple of reasons for making that statement:

--The team is going to stink next year no matter who is the qb. RGIII can run around and maybe win a couple of games.

--I don't want a young qb playing w/this group. The talent level is atrocious and losing all the time is not such a good thing for a young qbs psyche.

--Biggest reason is that I don't like the qbs in this year's draft. If we draft one, you can almost guarantee that the guy will get three years to "prove" himself. That means we will be even farther behind in our quest to get a good qb, provided my assumption is correct. I could be wrong about this year's qbs, but I don't think so.

What about someone like Cousins if Garrapolo is a no go?

Cousins isn't leaving DC. And he certainly isn't gonna come here.

That was kinda my first thought as well.

I like Cousins a lot, but I don't think Washington lets him go. He's too good.

I don't expect Kessler or RG3 to set the world on fire, but I'd like to see how they do with more time in the system (and don't see an obvious improvement in the draft).

Garoppolo looked solid in his limited action, but he's also in year three in an established environment. I'm not saying he wouldn't be an improvement, but not necessarily right away. Josh McDaniels is a pretty good OC. Jimmy would have to learn our system and personnel.

No fans want to wait until another Andrew Luck prospect comes along to draft a QB high. lol

Kizers a 2 year starter not a one year starter .. he started 7 or 8 games in 15 ... maybe even 9 ...

He's not a one year guy ...

I never said to wait for an Andrew Luck. However, there are quite a few qbs who are pretty good and will be eligible for next year's draft.

I just shudder at drafting a qb I don't like and then giving him 3 years to "prove" himself while passing on better qbs during that time. We have done that before. I don't want to do it again.

Oh, and I don't think this ownership/FO will be spending much money in free agency. Losing next year is almost a given.

Have you seen the backup QBs in the NFL? Matt Cassel is still floating around.

Browns' RG3 says he proved 'a lot of people wrong; I know a lot were writing me off'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...ncart_big-photo

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com on January 02, 2017 at 1:00 PM, updated January 02, 2017 at 1:37 PM

BEREA, Ohio - The Browns rescued Robert Griffin III off the scrap heap in the offseason, and he believes he re-established himself as an NFL starter in his five starts.

"I'm not and idiot,'' Griffin said Monday. "I know a lot of people were writing me off as a player, as a quarterback, saying I couldn't do it. And to go out and show that I can, I think that proves a lot of people wrong.''

Griffin, sporting a "Know Your Why'' sweatshirt and an "I'm different'' wristband, knows he might not be back, but believes he resuscitated his career this season.

"To not play a lot of football in two years and finish the season the way we did, or the way I did personally, I feel good about it,'' he said. "But I'm not satisfied at all. So I'm going to go into this offseason hungrier than ever, ready to prove it all over again. Because that's what you have to do every single day. I don't think anybody's ever said I've been afraid of hard work, and that's never going to change.''

Griffin re-iterated that he wants to be back with the Browns, but knows the business side of the game. The Browns have the No. 1 overall pick and are looking hard at quarterbacks. They're also intrigued by Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, whom they might try to trade for.

"At the end of the (day) I want to win games,'' said Griffin. "Right now I'm here with the Cleveland Browns and I love these guys in this locker room. And I want to help them win here. And if I don't get that opportunity, then that's out of my control, I've done everything that I can to this point with the cards that I was dealt to try to put the best foot forward and let the chips fall where they may.'''

Griffin, who went 1-4 in his five starts on an injury-ravaged and young football team, believes he played his best football under Hue Jackson and associate head coach Pep Hamilton, who said recently that Griffin can be the Pro Bowler he was as a rookie and more.

"They bring the best out of me,'' said Griffin. "They challenge me every single day, and I love that. It's really just the way we see the game and then how they view me as a player and what I can do to help this team win.

"I think having them there to kind of help me not just be what everyone else wants me to be, but to be who I could be. And I think that's important.

Jackson acknowledged that Griffin improved, but he made no promises that he'll be back.

"I've seen him get better,'' Jackson said. "I see things to keep growing from. I'll watch it more in detail. There were some good things today. There were things that he can improve on. Every week he went out there and got better. I still think there's another level for him to play at. We'll evaluate and see if it's the right thing for us as we move on.''

Griffin stressed that he tried to make the best of a bad situation. He fractured his left shoulder in the opener and sat out the next 11 games. He returned for the final games, despite the bone not being fully healed.

"You've got to play the cards you're dealt and for me personally getting hurt early in the year was not part of my plan,'' he said. "It was a part of God's plan and his plan for this team so having an opportunity late in the year and play and give us a chance to win and give myself a chance to show what I can do I'm very grateful for that.

"I'm grateful for the guys in this locker room helping me to get to the point where I could play at a high level. You walk away and you have to say 'let God take care of the rest.' It's out of my hands now, there's nothing I can do from this point forward but just know I want to be here. I want to be here with these guys and turn this thing around."

He acknowledged that the Browns have a lot of work to do before deciding if Griffin will be back. He's due a $750,000 roster bonus in March, and is under contract for $6 million next season. If the Browns don't see him as a starter, they might not want to pay him that much.

"That's a process,'' said Griffin. "We're a long way from there. And that's not going to be decided by what any one person says in the next couple weeks or the next couple months. But there's one thing I can promise you: I'm not afraid of hard work and I'm not afraid to compete with anybody. I just hope that I'm here and have an opportunity to help this team turn things around."

Griffin said he wants to be back despite the 1-15 mark because of the makeup of the team.

"I've seen the way these guys work,'' he said. "I've had the honor and the pleasure to play with Joe Thomas, Joe Haden. These guys have been here for a long time. They haven't experienced the winning that I feel their careers and their talent and their leadership deserve. So that's why I want to be here. I want to be here for those guys to help them experience the spoils of victory that they deserve.

"Of course I want to play and I believe in coach Hue and coach Pep and what they've allowed me to do as a quarterback. And how I feel I can play at a high level with them. But that's why I want to be here. I want to be here for this city. This city reminds me so much of Waco and Baylor University when me and coach Briles first got there. The ability to turn this thing around like we did there, I think would be something truly special. And I want to be part of that.''

Considering how long he was out, and the injury. His last 3 games he looked progressively better. really liked what I saw from him against Pittsburgh.

I agree. Not a fan of trading the farm for a backup. Look at the Texans. While drafting a QB at 1a is highly unlikely taking one at 1b or in the 2nd etc. seems prudent. Might get lucky and find a Dak or a Wilson. Keep RG3, keep Kessler, draft a QB at some point and look to FA if there is value to be had there for a vet. Trading a later pick for a QB that Jackson covets is not a terrible idea either. I wish this was the Romo of a couple years ago. I'd take him in a heartbeat. He's one hit away from some very dire issues. Bad back equals it's hard to walk, sit, stand, etc. Trust me, I know.

The more QB's we have on hand the better. I'd have 3 or 4 on the active and 2 on the PS.