Do you know when trades are allowed during the offseason? I tried searching for it, but didn't see anything. I'd assume it'd be around March 31st or whenever the new season officially starts, but I couldn't find any documentation.
I'm no QB expert, just as a disclaimer, so this is more of a reasoning / logic post.
There was hype around Garropolo when he came out. To talking heads, he passed the eye test. He looked legit, just question marks around his competition. For those comparing him to Flynn - Flynn was a 7th round pick. I see no comparison in all honesty. Just me.
Now. If we deem RG3 and Kessler not to be the answer we need a QB.
The only question is, regardless of the fact Garropolo plays for NE:
- which is the best option?
Watson, Kizer, Trubisky or Garropolo.
I don't know.
I will state I think sitting behind the GOAT will have helped more than hindered JG. I think that's a positive regardless. I think he will be more ready, contract and $$$ be damned. We have lots of cap.
However, it still boils down to who the FO, coaches and scouts think is the BEST FIT for Hue. if they think he's the answer, then just get him.
Do you know when trades are allowed during the offseason? I tried searching for it, but didn't see anything. I'd assume it'd be around March 31st or whenever the new season officially starts, but I couldn't find any documentation.
I'm pretty sure it's when the new league year begins (which is usually the beginning of March, right after the combine).
How about we take Garrett at No. 1 overall, and at 10, we survey the situation. If Trubisky is there, done deal. If not, we offer that pick to NE for their No. 1 (probably last) and Jimmy G.? They can say now they want more, but they would not turn that down, IMO.
If Mitch comes out ... he ain't gonna make it to 10 bro ... wish he would .. cause i would be jiggy with that plan .. .
If we want Mitch ... were gonna need to take him at #1 ...
Not sure how any of you guys think that Trubisky is better than Jimmy G?
I didn't say he was .. i said he wouldn't be around at 10 and that if we wanted him we'd need to grab him at 1... no where did i say whose better or where I'd take him ...
Fact is .. no one knows whose going to be a better NFL QB at this point ...
U can talk all u want ... Jimmy G has had a 1/4 of a cup of coffee of playing time in the NFL and u all ready make him out to be this battle tested ready to go guy ...
I'll let u know in a 6 - 8 weeks what I think of Mitch ... i'm going to watch his game film from this year ...
As far as Jimmy goes ... u won't hear me say a word about what ever decision the FO makes on him .. i didn't follow him in college or look into him pre-draft ... i watched him this year but didn't really pay attention to his play .. was focusing on other things during those games ...
So I am not informed enough to either praise or blast the FO/Hue for whatever decision then make there ...
talk to u after i watch the rest of Mitch's film Vers ...
When you look at the skills and mentality than translate best to the NFL its jimmy G by a long shot and then trub. Deshawn is a gimmick QB who better be drafted for a WCO style based on timing and trust rather than putting the ball where it needs to go and throwing with anticipation. Kizer has an arm and that's about it.
I don't view a QB's ability to run as anything but a hindrance because they always get laid out and/or injured. It's not worth it.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
How is a QB who's thrown 8000 yards and 72 TD's the last two years a gimmick QB?
He's literally better than trubisky in wins, yards, TD's in every single way, yet he's a gimmick?
Stop.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I look at the way he throws the ball, his footwork, on field adjustments, etc. In college it's easy for a QB on a team with superior talent to accumulate big stats so to me that doesn't mean anything. He has extremely talented WR who turn bad passes into gold. I see his passes going to the back shoulder of his receivers quite often to the point they have to turn backwards to catch quite often. That is not going to work well in the NFL.
I think you put just about any decent QB on the same team and they will have just as big numbers IMHO. Awesome running game and very talented WR will make any QB look good. Throw away the stats and compare how he throws compared to Trub and its night and day difference. This is why Trub is leaving him in the dust.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Umm...Trubisky's mechanics make him Blake bortles right now.
Sorry if I don't want any part of that.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
lol not even close but we can agree to disagree and leave it at that =)
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Watson is definitely worth the 1st pick in the 2nd round.
I think the San Fran, NY and Chicago are gonna draft defense or o line as well, since this draft is stacked with defense.
Regardless, I rather the Browns take a chance on trubisky in the 2nd round than spend a 1st on Jimmy G.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Watson is definitely worth the 1st pick in the 2nd round.
I think the San Fran, NY and Chicago are gonna draft defense or o line as well, since this draft is stacked with defense.
Regardless, I rather the Browns take a chance on trubisky in the 2nd round than spend a 1st on Jimmy G.
The problem is that I doubt Trub, Watson, or even Kizer makes it to the second round.
I don't want anything to do with Kizer at all but if Trub or Watson fell the second round then I don't mind taking a flyer on them.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Looking forward to tomorrow night. Rather not take a QB at #1 but at 9- whatever.Im good with it. However, the better showings these kids have the less chance they're there at our 2nd 1st rounder. Trubisky at 9 or 10? Just not sure. He could use another year of school...
FWIW, Dane Brugler on CBS Sports has his latest mock out today that has Trubiskey, Kizer, and Watson all gone after pick #6 of the 1st round. (He also says the Browns will take Myles Garrett at 1A and Malik Hooker at 1B. I'd be very happy with that.)
FWIW, Dane Brugler on CBS Sports has his latest mock out today that has Trubiskey, Kizer, and Watson all gone after pick #6 of the 1st round. (He also says the Browns will take Myles Garrett at 1A and Malik Hooker at 1B. I'd be very happy with that.)
I'd be very happy with that draft - and knowing how QB's rocket up the draft table once the combine comes around - and those 3 teams (49ers, Bears and Jets) are in the same or worse shape than the Browns .... plausible.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
The way some posters "prove" their great football acumen on this board is to say EVERY year that no quarterback in the draft is worth a top pick. From their mancaves, they determine that every prospect has a fatal flaw in his delivery, footwork or ability to read defenses. And just about every year, the college ranks turn out new, quality NFL quarterbacks.
FWIW, Dane Brugler on CBS Sports has his latest mock out today that has Trubiskey, Kizer, and Watson all gone after pick #6 of the 1st round. (He also says the Browns will take Myles Garrett at 1A and Malik Hooker at 1B. I'd be very happy with that.)
The way some posters "prove" their great football acumen on this board is to say EVERY year that no quarterback in the draft is worth a top pick. From their mancaves, they determine that every prospect has a fatal flaw in his delivery, footwork or ability to read defenses. And just about every year, the college ranks turn out new, quality NFL quarterbacks.
Oh, the horror! Posters on a football message board talking football!
Is Hooker good in run support? Is he smart or just a great athlete?
I just watched a highlight clip on YouTube and aside from more stupid rap background music where they drop F, N and B bombs because they've nothing more intelligent to say, all I noticed was interceptions.
The problem I often see on this Board when it comes to looking at quarterback prospects is judging them as college players and not forecasting them two or three years down the road as professional players.
You take a college player from a big school who plays two or three years as a college starter. He puts up good stats. The team wins. The player is looked at and judged as a finished product.
You take a player like Trubisky. A one year guy. Not a lot of games to look at. He is then called a one year wonder. Like that is a bad thing. Is it the players fault that he has only played one year and played well?
Then a guy like Wentz is looked at. No matter what he looks like the tag is: well look at the level of competition. Or the school won without him the year before.
All that crap does not matter.
Heisman winners and players with great resumes can easily fail.
Derek Carr had a bad game in college where he looked like he melted under pressure. Most including me saw that as a bad sign. It dropped his draft stock.
These are college players. Playing college games. They are not finished products. Especially guys like Trubisky, and Kizer.
You have to look at their potential as NFL players in NFL systems.
Look at all the criterion by which quarterbacks are measured. Those skills need to be honed over years of snaps and game conditions.
Then factor in all college systems that don't even resemble a pro offense.
Watch the player play. Know they will make mistakes. Know that they will not always look good.
Watch what they do well and their form. Look at what is natural to them. Watch for things they can do that will need to be done in the NFL. Try to imagine what the guy will look like in two or three years. Know what kind of person he is. Know how he learns and leads.
Know that it is not easy to judge these guys.
"This guy should go here in the draft!!!" Kind of funny when three years go by. And you look back and see that Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert were drafted over J.J. Watt.
Hooker is not a huge hitter, but he breaks down well and is a good tackler. He had a bad miss against that TUN, but for the most part, he is very solid.
He is very inexperienced and his ceiling is incredibly high. He is a guy who in a few years could have people asking: "how the hell did we pass on this guy?"
bone just mentioned JJ Watt. I remember pimping him hard on the official board. He was my guy early on and that sentiment only grew as the season went on. People thought I was nuts.
Oh crap.........LOL......here is why I brought up Watt. I really think Hooker has the potential to be an Ed Reed, Earl Thomas type of player. A true difference maker from the FS position.
Hooker would be a big help. Physical stuff is very good. I think he is strong in Buckeye scheme. Not sure what our safeties are doing about half the time. Just tackling would be welcome.
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I can prolly be put in with the group that is seriously mistrustful of Belly.. his starting QB was born in 1977.. that makes him 39.. and he's just going to up and trade his backup??
I can prolly be put in with the group that is seriously mistrustful of Belly.. his starting QB was born in 1977.. that makes him 39.. and he's just going to up and trade his backup??
Brady is still one of, if not the best QBs in the league and has said he wants to play till he's 45.
You trade for Garoppolo based on your evaluation of him, not based on what Belichick is trying to do.
The way some posters "prove" their great football acumen on this board is to say EVERY year that no quarterback in the draft is worth a top pick. From their mancaves, they determine that every prospect has a fatal flaw in his delivery, footwork or ability to read defenses. And just about every year, the college ranks turn out new, quality NFL quarterbacks.
Actually one of the MAJOR problems with the NFL is that way too many teams don't have a viable QB and so the few teams that DO have one are winning it over and over again while more than 35% to 45% of teams in the NFL can't find a QB no matter how many they try. It's destroying the parity of the league and the result is fewer people are watching football.
When I look at film on a QB and offer my opinion of him it's completely unbiased by where people think he should be taken. The either have the skills or they don't. Also, you don't look at what they accomplished in college either because college is not even being close to what is needed in the NFL. I only watch to see if they have the skills to play in the NFL based on what video shows me. I'm sure others have their own ways but I am confident that I can tell who is a decent QB or not because I am usually right.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Looking back, I realize my post was obnoxious. I apologize. I know a lot of you guys know more about football and quarterback play than I do. But we can't just always say, "None of these quarterbacks are worthy of our pick. We shall go 3-13 again with McCown Delhomme!" We need to pick a guy with brains and measurables and develop him. Manziel was different - we should've known he was unstable and we should have nurtured him a little better. Now it is time to take a guy with character and just invest in him. I wish we had a Bortles, a Carr, a Wentz, just somebody we could get behind and build around.
I can prolly be put in with the group that is seriously mistrustful of Belly.. his starting QB was born in 1977.. that makes him 39.. and he's just going to up and trade his backup??
Brady is still one of, if not the best QBs in the league and has said he wants to play till he's 45.
You trade for Garoppolo based on your evaluation of him, not based on what Belichick is trying to do.
Oh I hear what you're saying.. I'm old enough to realize that.. I'm also old enough to realize there are very big men that are just as quick as Brady that are trying very hard to break him in half each time they play him. Football is a game of attrition.. generally speaking.. injuries is a big source of that attrition I just mentioned. Most coaches would like to have the best backup possible on their roster.
I can prolly be put in with the group that is seriously mistrustful of Belly.. his starting QB was born in 1977.. that makes him 39.. and he's just going to up and trade his backup??
Brady is still one of, if not the best QBs in the league and has said he wants to play till he's 45.
You trade for Garoppolo based on your evaluation of him, not based on what Belichick is trying to do.
Oh I hear what you're saying.. I'm old enough to realize that.. I'm also old enough to realize there are very big men that are just as quick as Brady that are trying very hard to break him in half each time they play him. Football is a game of attrition.. generally speaking.. injuries is a big source of that attrition I just mentioned. Most coaches would like to have the best backup possible on their roster.
I stand by my premise thanks.
Garoppolo is not sticking around if Brady is still around.
I can prolly be put in with the group that is seriously mistrustful of Belly.. his starting QB was born in 1977.. that makes him 39.. and he's just going to up and trade his backup??
Brady is still one of, if not the best QBs in the league and has said he wants to play till he's 45.
You trade for Garoppolo based on your evaluation of him, not based on what Belichick is trying to do.
Oh I hear what you're saying.. I'm old enough to realize that.. I'm also old enough to realize there are very big men that are just as quick as Brady that are trying very hard to break him in half each time they play him. Football is a game of attrition.. generally speaking.. injuries is a big source of that attrition I just mentioned. Most coaches would like to have the best backup possible on their roster.
I stand by my premise thanks.
Garoppolo is not sticking around if Brady is still around.
He's still under contract. Now, if they wanna keep JG and pitch Brady.. by all means make Brady an offer!
I can prolly be put in with the group that is seriously mistrustful of Belly.. his starting QB was born in 1977.. that makes him 39.. and he's just going to up and trade his backup??
Brady is still one of, if not the best QBs in the league and has said he wants to play till he's 45.
You trade for Garoppolo based on your evaluation of him, not based on what Belichick is trying to do.
Oh I hear what you're saying.. I'm old enough to realize that.. I'm also old enough to realize there are very big men that are just as quick as Brady that are trying very hard to break him in half each time they play him. Football is a game of attrition.. generally speaking.. injuries is a big source of that attrition I just mentioned. Most coaches would like to have the best backup possible on their roster.
I stand by my premise thanks.
Garoppolo is not sticking around if Brady is still around.
He's still under contract.
For only one more year. After that he is a free agent or will have to be franchised.
I don't see Belichick letting an asset depreciate like that.
I can prolly be put in with the group that is seriously mistrustful of Belly.. his starting QB was born in 1977.. that makes him 39.. and he's just going to up and trade his backup??
Brady is still one of, if not the best QBs in the league and has said he wants to play till he's 45.
You trade for Garoppolo based on your evaluation of him, not based on what Belichick is trying to do.
Oh I hear what you're saying.. I'm old enough to realize that.. I'm also old enough to realize there are very big men that are just as quick as Brady that are trying very hard to break him in half each time they play him. Football is a game of attrition.. generally speaking.. injuries is a big source of that attrition I just mentioned. Most coaches would like to have the best backup possible on their roster.
I stand by my premise thanks.
Garoppolo is not sticking around if Brady is still around.
He's still under contract.
For only one more year. After that he is a free agent or will have to be franchised.
I don't see Belichick letting an asset depreciate like that.
That's fair enough.. and I still don't trust BB, and the one thing in JG's favor is that bellyhump hasn't let him go yet
Actually one of the MAJOR problems with the NFL is that way too many teams don't have a viable QB and so the few teams that DO have one are winning it over and over again while more than 35% to 45% of teams in the NFL can't find a QB no matter how many they try. It's destroying the parity of the league and the result is fewer people are watching football.
This shouldn't be a shock. I talked about this 10 years ago that the NFL needed to change if teams wanted to have a QB.
HS and college football has long ago abandonded the drop back style of play. HS QBs want to run as much as throw.
As long as the NFL uses college football to develop their players, they aren't going to get enough QBs to play the way they seem to want to play.
Ten years from now we can come back to this next comment, which I also made 10 years ago but said it might take 20 for this to happen.
The QB position will become a throw away position. Meaning teams will run their QB and QBs will have fairly short careers. Some will last but I can see where starting qbs maybe play like backs....maybe 4-7 years. Again, so will have fairly long careers. It's hard to predict the injury bug.
The upside, you will be able to find a QB who can play the position and QBs won't be the high paid players on the roster. They will be more in line with other players, such as backs and receivers.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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