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oh, ok.

so the answer is "never".

Well he may bring them back if he could just get us to work for pennies a day. Damn us and our desire for a living wage!!!

So when are you going to thank Obama for the 15,000,000 jobs created during his administration?

Haven't you heard that Obama ruined their lives? Besides they've already given the credit to Trump, Carrier, and Ford.

Thank you Trump for the Middle Class and higher jobs!

Thank you O for the part time, minimum wage, what Ross Perot called "Chicken Jobs"!

Where does that number come from?

Is that "net" increase? (15 million more jobs "created" over jobs lost?)

What are these jobs?

This link is from Feb. of 2015, it's the best I could do right now.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/05/news/economy/obama-jobs/index.html

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The Obama economy has now created 15 million jobs

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/07/news/economy/obama-15-million-jobs/

it was literally the first link when asking google the very simple question of "how many jobs did obama create"

the link is from oct 7th, 2016.

Link?

I didn't google "how many jobs has Obama created". I googled "how many jobs have been lost under Obama".

Not calling anyone out - I'm just curious if the 15 million (that Obama claims) is a net gain or not. And if so, what constitutes a "job".

It's kind of like "what constitutes unemployment" numbers I guess. The gov't. has changed how they calculate that - and no, it wasn't O's admin that started doing that, I know.

In my link, and again, it's from 2015, I know, it shows temporary workers as "jobs gained".

Getting a factual number from the gov't. is near impossible.

I get what you're saying.

But:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/18/obamas-record-on-jobs-versus-five-other-presidents.html

So there's 5.7 million more jobs then when the recession hit in 2007.

So we lost a ton of jobs during the bush administration recession, which means his net is 5.7 million. That doesn't include government jobs, by the way. Private sector stuff.

His net gains tells us how bad that recession was, and how impressive it is that he ended up adding more jobs than before the recession hit.

Thanks for helping realize how much more greater his accomplishments were, bro!!!

Thank you O, Thank you for the Republican President, House, Senate and Governors!

You can thank Hillary for that.

Obama have you guys positive job growth, 3% economic growth, and a rising stock market.

Don't screw it up, conservatives. Or the pitchfork and torches are coming out.

Ah, so the 15 million number was bogus. Thanks. (and I mean that)

It isn't bogus at all.

Obama absolutely added 15 million jobs. But it's calculated based off the jobs lost due to bush's recession.

He added all those jobs back, and then when back to what it was, added another 5.7 million.

I know it's hard for you and others to admit that obama fixed our economy and job market, but it doesnt change the fact that it happened.

So, the Ford CEO just said it wasn't due to trump, but the decline of small cars market in the us.

https://www.facebook.com/msnbc/videos/1419014761528105/

So.....who's right? Trump or Ford?

While Trump is Alt-right my bet is the Ford CEO is correct.

So, Obama added 15 million jobs, and then added 5.7 million more for a total of 20.7 million jobs added?

Or did he add 5.7 million jobs to the net jobs?

And be it an R, or a D, I don't buy that a president "adds jobs", or decreases jobs (unless it's gov't. jobs).

Presidents, and congress, CAN, however, create an environment that is conducive to job creation. And by the same token, presidents and congress can create an environment that is NOT conducive to job creation.

Housing bubbles, dotcom bubbles......those affect everything. Bubbles. Bubbles get popped, no matter who enabled them or when.

See, swish, I'm not arguing R or D with you.

The statement was made that O created 15 million jobs. You yourself are now saying he didn't, he rather created 20.7 million jobs. Added 5.7 million.

Where does unemployment figurazation (like that word? ) come into play? What is "employment"? Part time? Temporary? Health care due to Obama care?

Too many variables. For O, for W, for Clinton, for Reagan.

That's what I believe as well.

Especially when he said they work for our shareholders. That's when I knew Trump had absolutely zero to do with this.

NRTU

let's get something straight. no president, not one of them has the power to create jobs.

All they can do is help create an atmosphere where job creation is possible/probable.

So when Obama says he created x number of jobs, that's really not accurate.

He did things to help it along for sure, but he didn't create them.

When Trumps followers say he saved 700 jobs in Indiana and a bunch of jobs at Ford, it's not accurate.

I do think that Business and Industry is happy about the Trump election. I think that is mostly because he's promising to eliminate restrictions (like the EPA for instance) on business and lower the effective tax rate.

I'll benefit from the tax plan on the business side for sure.

But I worry about how things will be if we remove restrictions on banks and other financial institutions.

This was tried before and what we got was 2008.

If he does it carefully, ok, but if he just cuts things to cut them because his buddies want it, we could be in for a mess again.

There's not that many variables at all. The only variable is you're refusal to admit that obama did great with the job market.

That's not a variable I have to worry about. You're sitting there trying not to give him credit for not only getting us back to ground zero, but then continuing to progress further past that point than we have ever been.

The only variable is obama. If this was mitt Romney you would've voted for him for a second term if he pulled these numbers after a recession.

If you can't suck up your pride and actually give the man credit, then I dunno what to tell you.

Trump can create jobs.

He can start by bringing his own business back over here from China other other countries.

Okay. Have it your way. The only variable was Obama. Got it.

There's going to be a decline in a demand for cars the next few years as people move towards the inner city. I've got to give younger generations credit. They realize they don't need a fancy overpriced car to get where they're going. I say younger generations, because older generations already have nicer vehicles (it's not a potshot or an insult).

Congress created an environment that was NOT conducive to job creation.


While the Obama administration still created them anyways.

Obama didn't create jobs. Never mind.

Some of the wording be thrown around is confusing. However, if he kept these jobs he deserves credit.

Never mind what?

Didn't Obama build all the businesses, you know the ones the builders didn't build, that created the jobs?

Wasn't it Obama crossing the Delaware too, creating oar ready jobs?

u mean his kids ..

my guess is as soon as it makes sense ... who knows if it will ever make sense .... that's what I would do ...

good one Pit ...

10,000 jobs being lost by Macy's so does The Donald take credit for that too ? Maybe they should talk to him about some tax breaks .

Nah, can't give trump the blame, or Obama either. Retail jobs being lost. Sad as it is, you can blame amazon, on line buying, etc. Can't blame any president for that.

You want a job in the u.s.? Go into health care, insurance, or computer work (i.t., programming, software development, etc). Maybe law.

Retail, the way we knew it, is dying. Not trumps fault, not obamas fault.

You wanna buy it on line? Go ahead. Jobs get lost.

It's a changing country.

I agree. Anything retail or mall related can be blamed on the internet markets.

Bro you know what my wife does? She goes to the mall, tries on the cloths, and then goes online and by that same exact brand, but cheaper with free shipping.

Yep. There's going to be a lot less low level work within this country. We need our future generations to start attending colleges and applying themselves to STEM fields and teaching if they are to have any shot in the future.

Sales jobs pay big bucks if you are good at it.

Yes, I forgot sales. My bad.

This was my thinking when I heard that DJT was going to bring coal back to the Ohio Valley.

It's going to happen to A LOT of jobs as we work our way into the 21st c.

Amen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFSIbaSL878

That reminds me why I didn't want Borders to close. Now there's nowhere to look over books that I'm thinking about buying on Amazon.

Arch, I strongly agree with you on this. When the Amazon drones get started and Amazon Go gets going, retail shopping is done.