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I bet the stats don't go back past 4 years.

The ONLY thing that has been shared repeatedly is speculation about Haslams involvement. That's it. At least that I can find.

So yeah, if you got proof, share it. Because none of us has seen it.

If the FBI had proof, he'd be in the same spot as some of his employees.

This I will give you, there is enough out there on him to make him a suspect and the FBI appears to be doing what they always do, taking their time, digging at the details, building a case.

If they ever make one, Haslam will pay. If not, then that's that.

Accept it or not, but to perpetuate the false rumors for whatever your agenda is seems like a waste of time. But hey, it's your time.

Thanks for posting Pluto; solid writer. This is good info. Trust him more than LaCanfora. Hope some of this stuff pans gold; we have questionable judgment at all levels IMO in judging talent, scouting talent. Doing it by committee and collaborating is messy and important stuff gets lost and minor junk can be amplified. Not all good. But we will have a better draft potentially if extensions get signed, some younger FAs get signed IMO. That frees up time for draft evals and limits it to needs. BPA is good advice; but BPA among all positions is not an efficient process. Need reigns supreme.

Football Outsiders has snap counts going back to 2012, so I assume the teams (especially our team) have more data than that.

1-15 is still a losing culture. Sashi only made it worse but putting together the worst team.

We had the #2 pick the year before without Sashi Brown's help. The team was already the worst team.

Now, there's proof that Sashi is a good leader.

1-15 is a losing season, playing hard still trying to win even though the game is meaningless is a change to a winning culture. Once you change the culture the winning seasons will should follow.

You need talent to have winning seasons. Sashi hasn't realized that yet.

If the harvard boys are going to turn this around, they need to realize the mistakes they've made in the past year and correct them.

No.
This team has done everything in it's power to lose games.
The game they won,they didn't win as much as San Diego lost.
The Pittsburg game had all the ear marks of a bad,losing franchise.
Playing hard?
What you see as playing hard,I see as the other team going thru the motions,and still winning.

It's their first season! It was a rebuild season and they said that wins and losses were not the primary goal, they will look at what mistakes were made and hopefully correct them but they have not had the chance to evaluate the season completely since the season has just ended.

Isaiah Crowell named FedEx Ground NFL Player of the Week

Crowell rushed for 152 yards last week against Pittsburgh

Browns running back Isaiah Crowell was voted the FedEx Ground NFL Player of the Week after a big-time performance in Pittsburgh.

Crowell rushed 19 times for a career-high 152 yards

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...ae-167135dedd4f


Yeah I see what you mean.

I'm glad it happened the way it did tho. I like Hue and how the players are excited and motivated to play well for him.

With the playoffs about to start, this is the perfect time to examine the potential of the eight last-place finishers to flip the script in 2017.

6) Cleveland Browns (AFC North)

The Browns are coming off a one-win season in which they ranked 30th on offense and 31st on defense. There is, frankly, no way they're topping the Steelers, Bengals or probably even the Ravens next season. But they aren't at the bottom of this list because they finally have organizational stability, plus the No. 1 overall pick and a raft of other selections in the 2017 NFL Draft. Upper management (including Sashi Brown) has done a good job, while Hue Jackson is a great head coach with a solid staff in place. There are some pieces on the roster who have something going for them, including receiver Corey Coleman, who I think is going to be a really good player. There are questions -- Can Jamie Collins or breakout receiver Terrelle Pryor be re-signed? What happens at quarterback? -- but after whiffing on so many draft picks, the Browns finally seem to be trending in the right direction.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...for-2017-season

I've seen no evidence to support the supposition that, "Upper management (including Sashi Brown) has done a good job"

I mean to me it sounds like they threw out a bunch of gibberish.

Without having an outline of what the job is and the time frame to accomplish it, how can anyone state that they've done a good or bad job. Don't tell me that our 1-15 record is a measure of our "progress" as we don't know how the first year fits in their timeline. I certainly have no knowledge of this timeline and am willing to wait another season or two before expecting what I judge to be significant improvement...

Man, it doesn't matter what topic it is does it? Football or social: every answer you give has to be a smart aleck response.

bleed, I know you can't stand it when people try to objective about the Browns. You think they are bashing the team you love. I respect your loyalty. But bro, what evidence is there that Sashi is doing a good job?

Considering it's the end of the 1st. yr. we have made some good moves and brought in some that we thought might be up grades.

To soon to tell one way or another. objective about the Browns?

Since when is slamming every move they make objective? There is six ways to Sunday that you can be objective without belittling the FO at every turn.

Slamming? Here is what Pit said:



How is that "slamming?" It sounds like a logical comment to me.

He did not say that Sashi has sucked eggs. He didn't call Sashi a punk, like some have said about Hue. He didn't call for Sashi to be fired, like some have regarding Hue. He didn't say every move that Sashi makes is stupid. He simply said: "I've seen no evidence to support the supposition that, "Upper management (including Sashi Brown) has done a good job"

See bro, that is not slamming. It's pretty logical, actually.

Again, this is where your undying love for everything that is the Browns sometimes clouds what you are reading.

Okay bleed. Have a good one.

You too

You ask for honesty and straight talk but Sashi gave it when he said this season wasn't about winning, and he caught a lot of crap for it. So why would he continue to give it?

Not arguing your comments on Sashi's performance.
Just saying, you asked for honesty and straight talk.
I gave you an example of what I thought was honesty and straight talk.
You have supplied a couple more

Exact quote:
“We are not focused on wins and losses this year,”

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/11/hue_jackson_defends_sashi_brow.html

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...sses-this-year/

http://www.fanragsports.com/news/browns-...sing-this-year/

When Sashi Brown made his comments about wins he made them based on the plan they had in effect at the time. He did not make that statement with the knowledge that the QB who was the starter all through training camp would go down in the first game, his backup would go down in the second game and the third string rookie, (who wasn't expected to play at all), would start games three through ten.

If he had made his statement, (4 wins), knowing that Kessler would be the starting QB for 8 of the first 10 games then I would agree with you. But he didn't know that at the time. He expected RG3 to be the starter for the majority of the season. That was the plan.

If player A and player B were to have a foot race and you said you were sure that player A would win, but then he breaks his leg but runs in a cast anyway and loses badly you could hardly be blamed for being stupid. If you knew in advance that player A would have a broken leg you would have made a different prediction.

haven't seen you here in quite some time.
Everything alright?

j/c...

I'm surprised I didn't see this gem posted. Gave me a chuckle.

Haslam says he has to "look at the tape" lol.

"Shon Coleman came in today and played - I haven't looked at the tape - but played a very respectable second half..."

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Okay, then tell me, what evidence have you seen that they're "doing a good job"?

I agree with those who say there hasn't been enough time to say one way or the other if they are doing a good job or not. There's nothing "smart aleck" about it.

There are some draft picks that could develop just like Shelton did in his second year. The jury is still out on that. In year one of a rebuild and a 1-15 season, it's very hard to say that anyone is "doing a good job".

I would have said it was gibberish had they slammed the coaching staff and FO as well. There's not enough evidence one way or the other to make such a statement one way or the other.

Now that I've taken my time to explain the things you think you saw that wasn't there, maybe you can quit stalking my posts? lmao

I hope Joe is right, but too be fair, I think he has said similar things before.

We'll learn an awful lot about this FO/Hue this off-season ...

We have a lot of bullets in the gun ... this is it ... we have a chance to be a very very good football team in 3 years if we get this right ...

I have very little faith in this set up ... but .. its what were going into it with ... lets hope it works out .. lord only knows ... there's almost no way they can miss on all the picks and do nothing in FA .. NO WAY ...

but then again we do a lot of almost statistically impossible things .. L ..

This is it boys and girls ... we have a shot here .... and like it or not .... this is what were going into it with ...

GOOD LUCK GUYS .....

So you would question this quote from Joe also?

"“You sometimes hear fans say, ‘Well we were 1-15 with them, we can be 1-15 without them,’” Thomas said...you have to keep your good players. You can’t keep getting rid of good players and think you’re going to get better.
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I thought I recall Haslam saying that any changes to the coaching staff would be left up to Hue Jackson? I suppose it depends on how you interpret the word "significant" when Haslam said, "no significant changes would be made.

I do recall Hue saying this at his post season press conference which seemed to open the door for a potential change:

On if the Browns will make any changes to the coaching staff moving forward:

Jackson: “I think everything is – I am going to take a look at it all. Our staff worked extremely hard this year, but I think as being one of the leaders with these men here, we have to go back and look at it all and see how we can get better. That is truly our charge – how can we get this organization better in all areas as we move forward?”

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