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I wouldn't pick him with our 1st pick but say we trade down and pick up a 2 and 4 this year and a 1 next year and Trubisky is there then I would take him or I would take him at 12 ... We need a Franchise QB and I think this kid could be just that ... JMHO If you think he is a franchise QB, then you take him at #1. Don't screw around and possibly lose him. I guess that was Hue's philosophy when we drafted Kessler in the 3rd. I think they panicked because Jackson wanted Jacoby Brissett and he didn't want to lose out on Kessler after that.
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I think Kessler was a solid pick for what he is and where we took him. Even back up QBs are becoming very valuable in the QB starved league. He is a solid back up so to me he was a solid pick.
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There was a lot of rust in many of the college games after the holidays. I don't think his evaluation will be on one game. Sort of surprised you would have stated that. Usually you are the one scolding a poster for a one game evaluation.
I don't think he has #1 overall pick status. But as we know if we like a guy and usually so does the entire NFL that is where we would have to pick him - IF HE IS THE GUY.
Btw I saw the next great QB possibly to come out next year and picked overall #1. Sam Darnold of USC. Next year cause he will have his Sophmore Red Shirt Year. Which would be 3 seasons since HS making him eligible for the draft. Timing is every thing, obviously no way we get the #1 pick next year. Arrrghhh
We are in that predicament...We do not have our franchise QB...so we have to overpay in draft pick to get one. The longer we wait the more likely we get a Kessler, McCoy, Manziel, the Dak's in this world are once in a blue moon.
jmho How often IS once in a blue moon? Or is it simply, players luckily getting drafted by teams that are ready to win, and simply need an above competent QB? Kessler may already be that guy...look at what kind of team he was drafted to, and he did pretty damn good, other than getting his bell rung. Put him on the Cowboys last season, where the team was actually dedicated to running the football...Cowboys-499 rushing attempts to 483 pass attempts...compare that to the Browns-350 run attempts to 567 pass attempts, that was whether they were winning or not, didn't really matter. So the Cowboys had 982 offensive plays, and 51% were runs Browns had 917 offensive plays and only 38% were runs, despite having the 2nd highest rush per attempt in the entire NFL...yes, you read that right, only the Bills had more rushing yards per attempt than the Browns in the entire league, including Le'veon Bell's Steelers and Zeke Elliot's Cowboys. So, what happens if they actually take advantage of that and run the ball, taking the pressure off of the rookie QB? Well, maybe they end up winning more games...well...if they had a defense that didn't spot the opposing team 14 points in the first quarter every game. Moral of the story...find a defense that sends shivers down a QBs spine and you begin winning in this league.
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Two comments and one question.
Kessler doesn't throw the ball down the field well. He is very limited and I don't believe he helps Dallas win.
Zeke and Dak never seem to get enough credit for turning Dallas around. All you hear/read about is the OL.
What was the Cowboys' record last year w/that OL and w/out Dak and Zeke?
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Once in a blue moon is not a term for an exact space of time. Its something that is considered rare. When I made that statement I was pretty much saying a find like Dak in the 4th round is pretty rare.
If you cannot see the difference with Dak and Kessler that does not bode well for you. His arm his accuracy on all throws his ability to check out and into the correct call. His ability to spot blitzes and hit the hot read. His quick decision making and his ability to run and withstand hits.
I think Kessler did well for himself he must keep improving/progressing and possibly after 3 years can be evaluated if he is a possible starter. Dak in year one Is a Starter.
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I like Chad Kelly at QB. Take him at the top of the 2nd.
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I like Chad Kelly at QB. Take him at the top of the 2nd. please no.
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Chad Kelly will be lucky to be drafted with all that is wrong with him off the field.
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Chad Kelly will be lucky to be drafted with all that is wrong with him off the field. And a torn ACL. Mettenberger was in a very similar situation and he fell to the sixth round.
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UNC redshirt junior QB Mitch Trubisky announced he will enter the 2017 NFL Draft.
Trubisky is a one year starter, completing 68 percent of his passes along with 30 touchdowns and six interceptions. Some believe he has a strong case to be the first quarterback off the board. Trubisky was UNC's starter for four months, and now the draft community has four months to pick apart his game. Trubisky plays in an offense with many defined reads (like most), but the focus will be on how he handles plays and pressure once the structure is broken. He joins early entries like Deshaun Watson, DeShone Kizer, Brad Kaaya, Jerod Evans and Patrick Mahomes.
http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/cfb/nfl-draft?ls=roto:cfb:gnav
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So its finally official.... please dont spend a first round pick on this guy. please.
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Players Tribune Link "I love you no matter what, man.”
Those were the last words I said to Nick Weiler, our kicker, before he trotted out for his game-winning, 54-yard field goal against Florida State earlier this season. We all believed in Nick, and not just because he had been kicking beauties all year. He’s a great teammate. Whenever I threw a bad pick or made a mistake this season, he was always one of the first people to have my back. He’s also a sincere person, which is emblematic of our entire team. Everybody genuinely cares about the brothers they line up next to. The relationships we have run much deeper than wins and losses, and they make winning that much better.
Up until that point, it had been a wild game. I don’t think anyone expected our team to be competitive against the No. 12 team in the nation. Except for us. We knew we could go into Doak Campbell and grind out a win. Down 35–34 with just four seconds left, we had more confidence than anybody knew. We had battled to get to that point.
As I knelt on the sidelines, repeating a prayer in my head and gripping the hand of wideout Ryan Switzer (who was having a monster day with 158 receiving yards), I literally felt 77,000 fans shaking the stadium with their voices. I looked over at Switz — his face as calm as ever — then back to Nick near midfield. I kept repeating the same thing in my head:
This has to happen. This kick’s gotta go in.
The snap was good. The kick was gorgeous. As the stadium fell silent, our sideline erupted. We chased Nick around the field. I tried to soak in the moment because I knew, one day, that it was all going to come to an end.
After a lot of prayer and thought, I have decided to forgo my senior year and enter the NFL draft. This has been the most difficult decision I’ve ever had to make. But no matter what happens next, I know I’ll never experience something as special as being a Tar Heel.
Back when I was trying to decide where to go to college, I asked myself a simple question: If I took football out of the equation, where would I want to go to school?
Easy.
Chapel Hill.
This is where I always wanted to be.
Like a lot of freshmen, my first few days on campus were a little rough. I’ll admit I was homesick. But a week or so into my first semester, things started to change. And it was all because of a couple of guys I had met on the football team. Their names were Jordan Fieulleteau, Khris Francis and Ryan Switzer. They happened to be my roommates. What I didn’t know at the time was that they’d also become my best friends.
I’m going to miss that sense of brotherhood the most.
I experienced a lot of great memories on the field during my four years at North Carolina, but I think what I’ll miss the most are the nights we spent sitting in the common area of our dorm, talking football, playing video games and cracking jokes until the sun came up.
I’ll never forget how nervous we were before our first Blue Dawn — those mornings during spring practice when we would watch film at 5:15 a.m. and then go out for practice 45 minutes later — and how we woke up to snow on the ground and realized how brutal it was going to be. I’ll never forget our conversations about wanting to leave a mark on this program. Heck, I’ll never forget giving Switz grief for always putting up a Christmas tree and decorating our entire dorm with lights. (It looked good, bro, we promise.)
For me, I’m going to miss that sense of brotherhood the most, because I know I would not have been nearly the same caliber player or person without it. There are a lot of things about playing at the next level that excite me, but my decision to forgo my senior season was one that I agonized over because it really killed me to know that I wouldn’t be suiting up with everybody in Carolina blue any longer. Being a part of the UNC GunClub — what the UNC quarterbacks call our position group — was nothing short of awesome. It was an honor being a part of that group and constantly challenging ourselves to improve. It’s pretty cool to be able to say that I’ll be a member of the GunClub for the rest of my life.
I want to say thank you to every single coach I’ve ever had, from my dad when I was just seven years old and I got excited every time I made the ball spiral, to Coach Fedora and his staff, who improved my skills and pushed me to a higher level as a player. My high school coaches played a huge role in my development as a quarterback. I’m lucky to have had them by my side, because they really set the groundwork for my confidence as a football player. It’s hard to get very far without the right mentors. To all of you: Thanks for being my guiding lights for so many years.
And to the UNC training staff and strength staff, and particularly to Coach Heckendorf, our quarterbacks coach: Thank you for trusting me and believing in me. I’ve developed into the quarterback I am because of you. (And a special shout-out to Coach Heck and his incredible wife, Ms. Mia — another amazing source of support and inspiration — for having twins this year. You better believe Uncle Mitch is gonna come back to Chapel Hill as soon as I can to see those boys!)
And finally, to the fans and my fellow students: Playing in front of you guys was a dream come true. You have made me smile and picked me up when I needed it the most. I’ll never forget how much you’ve done for me. We’re family. I’m proud to be associated with you.
The people at UNC will always be close to my heart for how they molded me into the young man I am today. But I would never have had such an amazing opportunity if it hadn’t been for my parents. From an early age, they challenged me and my brothers Manning and Mason and sister, Mariah, to work hard, and to value family, friends and faith. (We grew up in the great town of Mentor, Ohio, which is a place I’ll always return to — I have to thank everybody there for helping me along this journey.) Throughout my football career, my parents have supported me in invaluable ways by coming to all my games. Everything I do is for them. My goal has always been to make them proud.
Going to the NFL has been my goal ever since I was a little boy. And now that I have that chance, I’m incredibly excited.
I don’t know where I’ll end up or what’s in store for me. But I’m going to tell Tar Heel Nation the same thing I told Nick just before he kicked the game-winning field goal:
No matter what happens, I love you guys.
Thank you for the greatest experience of my life. God bless.
Number 10 for the Tar Heels,
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With the first pick in the 2017 NFL Draft the Cleveland Browns select ....
MITCH TRUBISKY
Ya Baby ... we finally have our QB ...
MITCH MITCH MITCH MITCH!!!!
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I'm glad he came out. I want as many options as possible.
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If we pick this dude 1st overall I might break my tv
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I won't be surprised or unhappy if we use our #1 Pick on this kid, he looks like an NFL QB, can make all the throws, and he is one of us!!!! 
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If we pick this dude 1st overall I might break my tv Because we have the #1 pick, we will know well before the draft who were are picking.
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Those two couldn't make all the throws not even close ... 
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Now instead of going to college another year and learning more about playing quarterback Mitch at 23 decided to enter the NFL.
Now his learning will take place in the NFL.
So with limited experience playing at the college level (13 games) a team needs to figure out if Mitch can learn what it takes to make it in the NFL.
The Browns will have to spend as much time as possible with him to determine how quickly he can pick up the concepts of the NFL game. Then no matter what they think he will need snaps.
Last year Wentz came in to the NFL but he came from a NFL type offense. Wentz was in total control of the system they ran at North Dakota. He had major responsibility for running their offense.
Mitch came from a simplistic system. He got plays from the sideline. The passing game was not based upon multiple reads and options. Mitch proved in his one year that he could play "that game".
Can he develop into a NFL talent? That remains to be seen.
It is up to the Browns to figure that out.
There is plenty to like about Mitch. He has NFL potential. He has the size. He has the arm. He has displayed accuracy and touch. He showed he can make NFL type throws.
The key is can he apply what he has into NFL speed? Will he be able to process post snap information fast enough?
All of these college players represent risk. And quarterback is the highest risk.
The Browns need a quarterback bigly. It is up to them to figure out if Mitch is that guy.
If they think he is the guy more than likely they will have to use the number one pick.
If it works he will be worth it. If not heads will roll.
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Those two couldn't make all the throws not even close So you're saying QBs from the Cleveland area can't make all the throws? And I forgot one: 
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Besides I would trade back with Tennessee @ #5 they may think their 1 big pick from the playoffs, and pick up a 2 and maybe a future 1 or 2 if they want one of those 2 DL, SF will pick Watson or Kizer and Chicago needs Defense, Jacksonville has their QB so we need to stay in front of the NYJ ... JMHO
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Besides I would trade back with Tennessee @ #5 they may think their 1 big pick from the playoffs, and pick up a 2 and maybe a future 1 or 2 if they want one of those 2 DL, SF will pick Watson or Kizer and Chicago needs Defense, Jacksonville has their QB so we need to stay in front of the NYJ ... JMHO You seem to know a lot of stuff. If you think a franchise QB is available, you don't screw around with trading down. You pick the player you think is a franchise QB.
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I say we just take the kid #1 and quit messing around. He has the skill set for the AFC north, has the IT factor and I don't see how he last to 12. We could have the best defense in the league and not win crap till we get a QB here long term and this kid is our best chance to build for the future. This is a DEEP draft for defense and easier to build in later rounds. Let him fight it out with RG3,Cody and if he has to sit a year.. fine. JUST PULL THE TRIGGER HUE !
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True and I am just speculating nothing but speculation so if he is "the guy" then you are right don't trade take him and I am just a fan if I knew "a lot of stuff" they might hire me ... 
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We have had plenty of QBs with big arms here. What we haven't had is a QB with the brain and reaction time to use those big arms in a consistently good fashion. To me that is the part of a QB you have to get lucky with because you won't know till you see them facing NFL level pressure and speed. Plenty of QBs can wing it at the college level but then fall apart when they get to the NFL because they just can't process information fast enough.
We know Trub has all the tools but we won't know about his mental make up till after he is put into the fire so to speak.
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Can we as a franchise afford to make a hail mary out of the #1 overall pick for a guy with one season of college under his belt?
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Can we as a franchise afford to make a hail mary out of the #1 overall pick for a guy with one season of college under his belt? The only guys with similar lengths to their college careers and were selected very high in the draft are Cam Newton and Mark Sanchez.
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That's the question?
Mitch probably has gone as far as NC can take him. That and the fact that he is 23 pushed him to his decision. In addition he has been given a first round grade.
Can he become what we are looking for?
That is why the people making these decisions are paid big bucks. They have to look at him like their lives depend upon it.
I don't think we can tell. It's not like anyone here is going to be able to go through the evaluation process.
Talk with him as much as possible. Talk to everyone who has had experience with him. Work him out. Put him on a board. due everything possible you can to determine he has what it takes.
In the end the Browns are in a position were they have to decide a course of action in regards to quarterback.
Maybe Mitch is the answer maybe not. Maybe Kizer, maybe Garoppolo. But it sure is not Griffin or Kessler. McCown most likely will be gone.
So they are going to have take a swing at someone or more than one.
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To me, I feel for hue and the guys because this will be a tough choice. To pass on a possible franchise QB yet again and then go another season with a RG3 that might fizzle out could end his career as a head coach. Yet, if he passes on Garrett and Trub isn't able to make that step up to the NFL he would also ruin his career.
It's just a tough and sucky situation for Hue. I honestly think the best move for Hue to have a future is to draft garrett and trade for Jimmy G. If they can use future picks for Jimmy G instead of this years picks then to me that is a no brainer unless by a miracle Trub falls to us at 12.
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Can we as a franchise afford to make a hail mary out of the #1 overall pick for a guy with one season of college under his belt? Doesn't it sound like something this dumb-ass organization would do?
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Can we as a franchise afford to make a hail mary out of the #1 overall pick for a guy with one season of college under his belt? Doesn't it sound like something this dumb-ass organization would do? Dumb-Ass because you don't agree with it?
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If was me making this decision I would trade for Garoppolo as well. At the same time I would look real close at the others in the draft
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Would it be dumb ass if I agreed w/it? LOL
Btw.........I think you misplaced the dumb ass.
I put it before organization rather than decision.
Hard to argue the label for a team that has not won one playoff game since their inception in 1999. A team that goes through more coaches and FO personnel than any team in the league. A team who makes terrible first round draft choices over and over and over. A team who is the laughingstock of the entire NFL.
I sure as heck wouldn't call them smart.
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Would it be dumb ass if I agreed w/it? LOL
Btw.........I think you misplaced the dumb ass.
I put it before organization rather than decision.
Hard to argue the label for a team that has not won one playoff game since their inception in 1999. A team that goes through more coaches and FO personnel than any team in the league. A team who makes terrible first round draft choices over and over and over. A team who is the laughingstock of the entire NFL.
I sure as heck wouldn't call them smart. Well if it was Kim Kardashian's ass it would be Dumb-Ass cause that is definitely a capital A.
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Question for anyone:
How realistic would it be to take Garrett, then if we want to take a chance on Trubs, we trade up from #12 to get him?
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Not saying I'd want to, I'm just curious..
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Question for anyone:
How realistic would it be to take Garrett, then if we want to take a chance on Trubs, we trade up from #12 to get him? We definitely have the picks to trade up, but I don't see the front office giving up assets to move up. If a QB is good enough to trade up into the top ten for, then you should probably just take him with the first pick.
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Unless you can get both a QB and Garrett.
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