DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Pep Hamilton Leaving For Michigan?

Smart move, Pep. You were next on the totem pole to take the blame for all the losses.

I don't think Horton was scapegoated out of Cleveland. Foge Fazio was, but that was Butch Davis wanting someone to blame after the playoff loss in Pittsburgh.
I honestly believe Hue wasn't happy with Horton - for whatever reasons - and wanted to upgrade.

Next year, Hue might find himself looking down the other end of the barrel.

This is a smart move for Pep Hamilton. He is now on the fast track to a head coaching job in college. Not to mention he will have way more job security working at Michigan under Jim Harbaugh than he does working for Jimmy Haslam.

For his replacement, my guess is that we hire a QB coach type guy who is out of a job. Expecting anyone who has previously called plays is a pipe dream.

I kind of agree. You are going nowhere in the NFL as an Offensive Coach if you are not even calling the plays.

Hue needs to hire an OC he trusts and give up play calling. Have input, but focus on the rest of the team as well.

I hope not. But you could be right.

I hope not, too. But, not as much now since Hue sacrificed one of his own.

However, I have been saying for months now that one of the biggest problems w/the plan was that coaches lose their jobs. I didn't think it would be quite this early, but I could see it coming.

I think he hired Gregg Williams so that he could focus even more on the offense.

He's already said that he is not giving up play calling.

Hue has worked with a lot of people. I think we'll be able to find a guy to come in to replace Hamilton.

No matter what, we'll need a QB Coach. There's no way that Hue will work with no QB Coach and no O-Coordinator. He needs someone in the same role. QB Coach/Ass. Head Coach. Was Williams hired as Assistant Head Coach?

We'll need someone to run the offense alongside him. Help with the day-to-day operations and such. I dunno if Kirby Wilson or Al Saunders are up for that role. More Saunders cause he's 69 and Wilson probably has no experience coaching QBs.

Even if we promote Wilson or something, someone has to coach that QB position.

Saunders might be a good option and we can bring in a new WR Coach. lol, Chad Johnson got some experience here last year.......

That's what Horton said.

Maybe I was wrong.

This would be an upgrade over Pep Hamilton if you ask me:



https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/818599209125511169

I'm kind of surprised that Roman didn't take the Michigan job. He was Harbaugh's offensive coordinator in San Francisco (maybe he just wants to stay in the NFL).

lol, you're quite upset about the Horton firing.

You don't think it could be that Jacakson realized he made a mistake in hiring Horton, and he doesn't think he's the man for the job?

People do make mistakes. We don't work with Ray. I think Williams coaches from the field too, so at least I can see his reactions when we screw up. With Horton up there in the booth, I feel like I can't blame anyone for when our defense is sucking it up

We didn't have an offensive coordinator last year (Jackson called plays). We had an associate head coach - offense (Hamilton) and a running game coordinator (Wilson). We also didn't have a QB coach.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches.html

Yes, but Hamilton was our QB Coach. Just not in title. So we need someone to coach the QBs and help run offensive practice/gameplanning. I don't think Hue wants to do all that on his own.


Maybe he can bring Art Briles in under the same title as Hamilton. Give him a little taste of the NFL. Although I'm not sure if Briles has much experience actually coaching QBs

Isn't Pep under contract with us? We could block this move

We brought in Williams. You talk of bringing in Briles.

Who is next? Charles Manson for Quality Control coach?

lol, I just figure, in for a penny, in for a pound

Roman would not be a bad hire. Wonder if he would come here?

That always seems awkward. Block his move and send what message to all your assistants?

And have a coach on our staff who clearly has his heart in a different place.


No no. Let Hamilton go and wish him the best.

I doubt if anyone will admit to this................but, isn't anyone the least bit concerned that Pep would prefer taking such a lackluster position in college rather than stay w/the Browns? Especially factoring in all my predictions about how we are going to be blaming coaches for the huge amount of losses.

No concern at all?

I like that idea. But we'd still need a QB Coach I think. That's the thing. Pep Hamilton was a QB Coach. I think Roman had more experience coaching the O-Line.


But he certainly knows how to run an offense. He can hold practice and keep the day to day going while Hue is focused on whatever else



May be he just likes college......... Maybe he loved Harbaugh. Harbaugh is one of the best in the business IMO. Doesn't mean he disliked working for Hue, maybe he just really enjoyed his time at Stanford with Harbaugh

Not really
Pep always seemed more suited for the college game
I think that he is now just realizing that for himself

I certainly do.

There is zero job security or positive results thus far with the Browns. That reason alone is good cause to leave. Yet, I believe if he actually believed in Hues plan, he would stay because that would lead to much better opportunities down the road.

I believe the fact that he watched Horton become sacrificed with no talent, while the D was disappointing, it wasn't any worse than the O. So who would be next? It looks like he could see his face on the platter next.

I certainly don't blame the guy.

My guess is he is probably weighing up options that best helps him ascend his career faster. Asst OC/QB coach vs Asst HC/Passing Game coach will probably help him attain that HC gig quicker.

It is what it is....good luck, Pep.

Hue will need to decide about play calling as it may limit who he employs. If he is ready to hand over to the right person then maybe we will get a solid talent. If not, he will call and he will hire a QB coach.

Might as well see how it plays out.

I'm concerned because it seems (to me) that Hue's stance on playcalling will limit our ability to attract and retain top coaching talent on that side of the ball.

In this specific instance of Pep leaving, it looks to me like Pep has/will run out of room to grow under Hue. Pep making the move isn't all that surprising, but it's the condition behind it that has me worried.

Vers, My buddy is a MASSIVE Bills fan and he says that Roman was a scapegoat but, their offense immediately improved when he was released.

I watched one game (ours) and followed their scores....that is all.

Thoughts?

He isn't leaving for another NFL team.

Good point. But, if we all saw an opportunity to climb the ladder faster....wouldn't we?

The Michigan job is a better job than our job. It's not really close. He might even be getting paid more.

Harbaugh is a king maker. If Michigan is good, and they should be, Hamilton will be a head coach in two or three years.

And, if Pep does well and Harbaugh is lured back to the NFL...the Wolverine gig could land in his lap.

Manson was born in Ohio, but I doubt he'd want to coach in Cleveland. Too much drama and chaos.

Roman created a pretty successful offense with a guy who had never been a starter (Tyrod Taylor). They were first in rushing yards in 2015 and then again in 2016.

(It helps to have LeSean McCoy.)

So, why did foot fetish Rexie fire him for Lynn? Clash of personality/egos?

Btw, my buddy also hopes Lynn gets the permanent HC gig.

I am torn between wishing him the best of luck, and doing my old, fat, guy, with no rythme dance. Let me say I think Pep worked his ass off and did the best job he could. Let me also say his best was no where near good enough. Sorry man but I for one won't miss you, BUT thanks for the effort you put in.

I have no clue. This is what was said at the time:



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ator-greg-roman

Roman has been an offensive coordinator for five years (three under Harbaugh in San Francisco, all of 2015 and two games in 2016 for Buffalo). In those seasons (2011-2016) his teams have finished 8th, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 1st, and 1st in rushing yards.

(I am totally okay with no crediting Roman for the 2016 season.)

I hope the Greg Roman rumors have legs.

His run game focus fits in with old school Hue Jackson philosophy meanwhile Hue could expand Roman's passing offensr.

Roman is like most other coaches. Hugely successful when given very good talent and el stinko when having inferior talent.

I really can't comment w/intelligence beyond that because I did not study Buffalo's play calling/design when he was there.

Roman definitely likes to dominate in the run game. I think that he'd be a solid choice for O/C-Asst Head Coach Offense.

@ cfrs 15

Thanks man!

I remember laughing when Rex fired Roman after his brother's defense was getting lit up like time's square.