DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2017 NFL Season 2017 NFL Draft Who should we draft in 2017? v2.0

Your score is: 10127 (GRADE: B+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 15 (PHI): Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A-)
Round 2 Pick 12 (PHI): Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A-)
Round 2 Pick 18: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A)
Round 3 Pick 21 (HOU): Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss (B+)
Round 4 Pick 21 (HOU): Conor McDermott, OT, UCLA (A+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Jon Toth, C, Kentucky (B+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (C+)

Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Malik Hooker , FS, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A-)
Round 2 Pick 18: Patrick Mahomes , QB, Texas Tech (B-)
Round 3 Pick 1: Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (A+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Jayon Brown, ILB, UCLA (C-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State (A)

Was on first-pick, think the link option timed out while I was looking at Gregg Williams stuff.

The switch from Horton to Williams has caused me to re-evaluate who should (IMO) be selected at #1. Was Allen, now I believe it should be MG...

With the exception of Kelly, I think this would be a wonderful draft...

Your score is: 10093 (GRADE: B+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 14 (IND): Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A-)
Round 2 Pick 14 (IND): Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A)
Round 2 Pick 18: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (A)
Round 3 Pick 12 (PHI): Quenton Nelson , OG, Notre Dame (A-)
Round 4 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (B+)
Round 4 Pick 12 (PHI): Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (A+)
Round 5 Pick 1 (PHI): Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn (A)
Round 5 Pick 32: Will Holden, OT, Vanderbilt (B)
Round 6 Pick 1: Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B)

Admittedly, I haven't seen as much of Garrett as I have of Allen. Ive heard so much on the sub par quality of teams that Garrett had his most production against that frankly I'm concerned. Any input as to this point?

Myles Garrett sacks 2016

UCLA - 1.0
Auburn - 2.0
Tenn - 1.0
UT San Antonio - 4.5

The case could also be said that Allen benefits from how great Bama's defense is, and how much other teams have to account for other players.

Myles Garrett in his other years:

2015:

Arizona St - 2
Nevada - 3.5
Arkansas - 1
Miss St. - 1
Alabama - 1
South Carolina - 2
LSU - 1
Louisville - 1

2014:
South Carolina - 1
Lamar - 2
Rice - 2.5
Miss St - 1
Ole Miss - 1
Louisiana Mon - 3.5
West Virg - 0.5

Stat manipulation.

Look who Jonathan Allen had sacks against:

USC - 2 (back before Sam Darnold started and USC started off 1-3)
Western Kentucky - 1
Kentucky - 1
LSU - 1
Florida - 1.5

Not exactly high powered offenses.

This is not stat manipulation in any way shape or form.

1oldmutt posted:

"Admittedly, I haven't seen as much of Garrett as I have of Allen. Ive heard so much on the sub par quality of teams that Garrett had his most production against that frankly I'm concerned. Any input as to this point?"


So I gave him Garrett's 2016 sacks.
These are indeed his sacks per ESPN.com - sorry I forgot the link
I gave no interpretation of these stats
I made no mention of Allen

Where is this so called stat manipulation you suggest?!

Well then it's good we (allegedly) have a new D coordinator and crew coming in so IF the pick is one of the two it SHOULD be ( notice I didn't say WILL) the guy who best fits the new scheme.

How do you folks figure Malik Hooker falling out of the top 10 ??

NFL DRAFT GAME 2017Logged in as: edromeo
YOUR TEAM: CLEVELAND BROWNS
GAME OVER!

I've been fighting the urge to trade on first-pick.com but I had to.....

Your score is: 10138 (GRADE: B+)

Your Picks: 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 16 (BALT): Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson (B+)
Round 2 Pick 15 (BALT): Ethan Pocic, C/OG, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson (B+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (B+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A)

http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=a03cb2f3-f2cc-44eb-aaef-a59202f4c4d1

Your score is: 9112 (GRADE: B-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 12: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson (A)
Round 1 Pick 15 (PHI): Ethan Pocic, C/OG, LSU (B)
Round 2 Pick 1: Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida (B+)
Round 2 Pick 7 (NYJ): Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana (A)
Round 2 Pick 10 (N.O.): Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11 (PHI): Garett Bolles, OT, Utah (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20: Justin Evans, SS, Texas A&M (B-)
Round 3 Pick 1: Marcus Maye, FS, Florida (C+)
Round 3 Pick 12 (N.O.): Gerald Everett, TE, South Alabama (C-)
Round 4 Pick 1: Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee (B+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Davis Webb, QB, California (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Obi Melifonwu, SS, Connecticut (B-)

Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2018 Round 1 Pick (NYJ)
2019 Round 1 Pick

OK, IF we traded out of #1 AND Hue is fine with RG3.... This draft gives us a GREATLY improved 0-line and secondary. It gives us the best WR in the draft, a good receiving TE, and some fresh blood for our #3 HB. It also gives us a possible future at QB to use these WR weapons because Webb has a nice arm.

We gained a LOT of 2nd round picks that will add immediate starters and upgrades in talent. We also gain an extra 1st round pick in 2018.

It doesn't have the flash of a myles garrett pick but for building for the future I have to say I really like adding this much talent. We could end up with a really nice WR corps =)

Looks like first-pick has updated their rankings of players (even positions - Desmond King at FS)

I 2nd

Your score is: 9747 (GRADE: B)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 17 (WASH): Jabrill Peppers, OLB/SS, Michigan (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 17 (WASH): Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A)
Round 4 Pick 5 (L.A.): Jake Butt, TE, Michigan (B)
Round 5 Pick 5 (L.A.): Jon Toth, C, Kentucky (C+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Danny Isidora, OG, Miami (Fla.) (B)
Round 6 Pick 1: Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (B)

Both safeties, the DE, and QB position knock out in the first 5 picks with a trade back.

Nice.

Just for giggles. You guys doing these mocks.

Do one with Trubisky at #1

What can we get defensively at 12, 33?

Ok I'm Going To Step Out And Say I Want Trubisky With The Number 1 Pick, No Trading Down, I Want To Take Him To Finally Fill That Elusive "Franchise QB" Position We Have Longed For Since 1985 When We Took Bernie Kosar In The Supplemental Draft !!!

Pastor - I like how you mix up the styles. From ALL CAPS to Capitalize Each Word. Thanks for keeping it fresh!

PastoR iS A trenD setteR.

Thats why the church keeps growing I give them fresh manna

I like your style. Why do these trade down guys always want o pass on great players for average or worse players?

I say draft Myles Garrett and don't look back.

There are only great players exactly when we pick and nowhere else.

https://theringer.com/nfl-playoffs-draft...5837#.2agpeoqk0

Not sure if anybody saw this, but I found it pretty intriguing.

And it appears that the Browns are prioritizing explosive athletes, particularly those with good scores in the vertical and broad jumps.

Might be a trend worth following when trying to project whom they might draft.

I did see that and thought the exact same thing.

Obviously not one combine measurement will be a defining tool, but I always felt broad jumps showed explosion.

hence ricardo lewis

I bet Hooker tests off the charts in both areas.

If we draft Watson at 1. . .

Are they basing it off those two drills or all of sparq?

I think we will consider him or Mitch. Maybe that is why we floated our keen interest in Garrett. Maybe we do want to move down a bit to get one of the QBs and gain more picks.

In this case I think it a mistake. I would rather keep Garrett and then trade up with the Eagles pick to get the QB.

Other tidbits that cross my mind. Maybe the hiring of a new DC signals maybe we will try to get by with his theme rather than draft D at the top of the draft.

Maybe we do plan on hitting free agency a bit harder and address 3-4 needs via that route. We need to start spending some of this usless money we have in cap space. It's hard to spend it on rookies. You have to spend the lions share on vets

I was looking at the Rams free agents. Maybe TJ McDonald would be a target at safety if the Rams don't tag him with something.

Another thought. I know the value chart is sketchy at best, but it does seem to be a guise.

The 12th pick is worth 1200, The 5th pick is worth 1700....a difference of 500.

The first pick in the 2nd round is worth 580.

It wouldn't be so costly to move back up to #5. We could get our guy there. Garrett would be 1 pick. Allen is going to be one of the top 4. I think one of Mich or Watson will be there at 5.

I say pick 5 because the Jets are at 6, and they will probably be looking for QB,