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*i feel*

Yep. I disagree.

I disagree with you, and also think it's unfair to "magically" put him on another team and say that.

I agree with your concept, but not really the specific case with Watson. I feel like as much as anything it was Kaaya holding the Miami offense back. Mitch also had his stretches of great QB play, but he didn't really seem to rise in the big moments consistently, and he threw some back breaking picks (see Duke game)

As far as ND, I'm not as sure he'd be successful, but that seemed a somewhat toxic situation with Brian "Bully" Kelly and a decimated defense.

Mahomes was on a poor team and still gets talked about to some extent.

While Watson did have some great pass catchers and he benefited from them, I think they also benefited from him. The rest of the team seemed to really trust and believe in him, and they played better because of it.

Eli Manning isn't the greatest QB ever, but he was good enough to win the Super Bowl. He's benefited from some spectacular catches over his career. The "Helmet catch", the OBJ one-hander, etc.

I'm not sold completely on Watson and would probably still go defense in the draft, but I could see him working out in the NFL.

In the MMQB article linked in a different thread, it mentions about how every players performance is connected in the NFL more so than other sports. I think this is true- and it works both ways. QBs do benefit from their surrounding cast, and they rely on QB play.

It also mentioned how fit can trump talent. I do think Watson could fit Hue's aggressive, hard working philosophy. If Pryor comes back and can grow as the receiver of back shoulder throws, they could prove a nice pairing.

Been watching games. Man is Watson only 6'3? Why does he look so much taller on TV?

Anyway, Watson reminds me a lot of Marcus Marriotta in stature, disposition and in play. I view the other QB's in this draft as just guys and Watson as the guy.

I have been since forever a big proponent of taking player who played against the best and performed well. I can't say that about the other two guys. I can say that about Watson.

I bet he's 6'1.

Also, your logic is how teams end up drafting a Manziel.

Manziel has off the field problems. He had all
The talent to make it, and flashed that a lot when he did play.

Watson, at least for now, has no such off the field problems.

lol wow, what a terrible conclusion. I can tell we are not having a rational discussion.

What talent? He was a turnover machine who couldn't read defenses. Maybe you like QBs like that?

What?

QBs who perform in "big games" in college means absolutely nothing. Derek Carr was destroyed against USC in his bowl game. That was the best team he faced all years. Aaron Rodgers sucked against USC.

So can I just conclude that you hate Watson?

He's a good kid. However, as a prospect yes.

Just for reference, Dan Marino had 64 INTs in college.

He probably thinks Jameis Winston is a bust too.

Want me to give you a list of QBs with INTs in college who sucked in the NFL? I bet my list is bigger.

It was also a totally different style of offense. Throwing that many picks in a spread system is kind of hard to do (if you are good).

I'm not sure why people compare Watson to Mariota like it's a good thing. Mariota has been injured 2 years in a row now. Watson is skinny and thin like him. I mean do people forget Watson destroyed his knee a few years ago?

I will admit this is a cool story about Watson and Warrick Dunn-

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/clemson-alabama-deshaun-watson-warrick-dunn-charity-home-photo

Talent wise you'd want Mariota. Whether he is injury prone or not is a different question.

(I don't think Watson is similar to Mariota. In three years starting for Oregon, Mariota had a total of 14 INTs.)

Agreed. Watson showed up bigtime in the two title games. But in other games i watched, i was a lot less impressed, especially with the talent on his team.


Mariota was a much better college qb and a better prospect

I'll take that guy every time.

Good point. I really don't see the comparison between Watson and Mariota.

Watson is growing physically as I type if you believe the media hype.

If we drafted Watson #1 this is how I would try to salvage the offseason. Take a path similar to what Ted Thompson has in Green Bay by not being massive spenders in free agency and investing in the trenches. The Trumaine signing would be equivalent to TT signing Charles Woodson in regards to logic. Hankins would be equivalent to TT signing Ryan Pickett.



Free Agency:

1. Release RG3, Tramon Williams, Josh Mccown, Desmond Bryant, and Alvin Bailey
2. Franchise tag Terrell Pryor
3. Sign Johnathan Hankins / DT / NYG
4. Sign Trumaine Johnson / CB / LA



Draft:

1. Deshaun Watson / QB / Clemson
1. Antonio Garcia / OT / Troy (I feel this kids hype will skyrocket and everybody needs to watch him, future LT)
2. Charles Harris / DE / Missouri
2. Dan Feeney / G / Indiana
3. Eddie Jackson / S / Alabama
4. Taywan Taylor / WR / Western Kentucky
4. Alex Anzalone / ILB / Florida
5. Dominick Sanders / S / Georgia
5. Ejuan Price / DE / Pittsburgh
5. Artavis Scott / WR / Clemson
6. Will Likely / CB / Maryland

FYI. Dominick Sanders is returning to UGA for his senior season.

Damn.

Just switch him with another potential 5th round safety then.

Josh Harvey-Clemons / S / Louisville

If you have time, check out Rayshawn Jenkins - S - the U

He's a free safety, but this guy does NOT stray away from laying wood. He has a stone cold shoulder.

If we draft Watson at #1 I am probably done until things blow up again. I couldn't handle watching that kind of disaster all over again while watching Garrett, Allen, Hooker, Derek, or Jamal become a hall of famer for some other team ... I mean there is so much talent for the defensive side of the ball that should be taken first that taking ANY QB at #1 is just too depressing ...

I agree with you. That was just my attempt at making the best out of a bad situation.

I don't know that I could ever be done, but my attitude towards the FO would take a dramatic shift.

I know how you feel brother. I may not agree with you on politics or Tebow, but I agree with you on practically everything else. In a perfect world, I'd take Garrett #1 and take a guy like Patrick Mahommes or another strong armed QB in the 2nd round. If Chad Kelly didn't come across as a dumbass, I'd like him too.

I do still support the idea of fixing the trenches by investing with high picks. It's what Green Bay and Dallas have done.

Same

At least there is one thing we all agree on =)

QBs really don't participate in the combine like that. They're there more for interviews. But Deshaun's last game film is him beating the best defense in college football. He ended his career on the highest note he could, it'd be dumb for him to risk his draft stock with the Senior Bowl.

Watson played a 15 game season, and he took some big shots in the NCG.

I understand wanting to get completely healthy and get some time with NFL type training before going in front of a potential employer.

He won a National Championship, let the guy enjoy it for a few weeks before he is back in the grind. I'm fine with him taking a little bit of time to recharge now. (emphasis on little bit) I think part of the reason for the "rookie wall" is that a lot of the guys don't really get an offseason. They play their last college game then it's straight into a combine training crash course while trying to get knowledge of the NFL ("PhD level stuff") crammed into them at the same time.

Savage runs the senior bowl. His bias is enormous. I'd say the Senior Bowl helped Wentz, but I'd also say the percolation of QB stocks, post-season helps a ton.

Whether or not Watson attends, he will STILL be under consideration to be drafted by the Browns.

We are not the Patriots, the Steelers, the Falcons. We dont have any luxury in saying bc you didnt participate, we are scratching you off our list.

Watson did a phenomenal job winning the national championship against one of the best teams in NCAA history. He's gonna be aight.

Great opportunity to meet with the Browns and Bears staff both of which hold high picks.
I thought Watson already decided that he wasn't going to attend.
He won't be the first highly rated QB to skip the Senior Bowl.
The kid is in a tough spot....coming off a long season, only 2 weeks? removed from the end of his season and sandwiched in between Combine/Pro Day prep.

I would love for him to show-up and just let it rip.
But, I get it.....its not show friends.....its show business