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I wouldn't have a big problem with JG for a 2nd rounder and maybe something else.

The we have to hope we can sign him.

If we do trade for JG, I would hope it is before the draft and the Pats give us permission to talk with JG and his agent, and at least come to some sort of gentlemans agreement so there are no surprises when it comes to getting him signed.

Vers, I like that plan a lot. And I DO think Jimmy G could be had for a No. 2, because no one is going to give the Pats more than that. As for collecting picks, just stop. They had a million picks last year and used them on a bunch of wide receivers who all seem to suck. It did us no good whatsoever. Use picks to get impact guys. No trading down, no stockpiling.
Garrett, another great defensive player, Jimmy G. and a center all in the first two rounds would go a long way toward making the team respectable.
As for the guys who say wait until the team is built to put the finishing touch on with a QB, that is how you end up with a 7-9 ceiling - an average team that never gets a shot at an elite QB. The Jimmy G. play might be the one shot at getting a franchise QB without using a high No.1, otherwise, you have to draft one and draft him high.

Or they will.



Impact guys are only available at the exact picks we have. No "impact players" were selected after we traded down previously.

My point was that we don't need to keep trading down in order to stockpile picks, we need to use our highest pick to try for impact over depth. The higher you pick, the less you have to depend on luck to get a great player. As for Jimmy G. for a No.2, I should've made clear that this was my opinion and prediction and that I am not a time traveler.
Going forward, and it is just a suggestion, there's no need to be rude when you disagree with someone or think, subjectively, that you know more than they do. It doesn't make you sound smarter.

NFL DRAFT GAME 2017Logged in as: edromeo
YOUR TEAM: CLEVELAND BROWNS
GAME OVER!


Your score is: 9103 (GRADE: C+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Desmond King, FS, Iowa (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Devonte Fields, OLB/DE, Louisville (B)
Round 5 Pick 32: D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Sefo Liufau, QB, Colorado (F)

NFL DRAFT GAME 2017Logged in as: edromeo
YOUR TEAM: CLEVELAND BROWNS
GAME OVER!


Your score is: 9337 (GRADE: B-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A-)
Round 4 Pick 1: Eddie Jackson, SS, Alabama (B+)
Round 5 Pick 32: D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Sefo Liufau, QB, Colorado (F)

Had to post this for a laugh. Traded down with SD to get their 2018 1st plus their 2nd round pick, and Garrett was still there at #7. lol.

FWIW couple things I've noticed with the game lately: Hooker is always gone by #12 now. Makes me wonder if he'll be gone when we pick at #12. Sometimes Adams is there or Cook, or Foster, or Tabor. I'd take any of them at #12, or even Robinson.

Juju is someone I'd take a serious look at, particularly if we can't get a deal done with Pryor, and he seems like he could be had for value.

Budda Baker and T.J. Watt have both moved up "the board" in the game, though T.J. is a "B" if taken high in the second. And Corey Clement is now an "A" in the 6th, instead of an "A+"

In a draft like this, missing out on Trubisky, Kizer or Watson, and taking Kaaya or Mahommes wouldn't kill me given the ability to fill out the roster. Picture our D if we could add Garrett, Foster, Jones & Watt, and could pick up a top 3 FA FS.

Your score is: 10759 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 7 (S.D.): Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (A)
Round 2 Pick 6 (S.D.): T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin (B)
Round 2 Pick 20: JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, Southern California (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU (A)
Round 5 Pick 32: Rayshawn Jenkins, FS, Miami (Fla.) (B+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Corey Clement, RB, Wisconsin (A)

Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2018 Round 1 Pick (S.D.)
2019 Round 1 Pick

The problem I have with this line of thinking is you state to want less risk. I'll give you that the higher pick the more likely you are to hit. However you forget that with a trade down when you total all the picks acquired they become much more likely to hit as a whole and you have the possibility of hitting multiple. I just don't understand how people don't see that. It's one thing for later rounds. But the 1st has so much overvalue it just makes sense. The Jets situation that's floating around for instance. 6, and extra 2nd and a1st next year has much more chance of producing a hit. It's the safe move not the risky one. It all comes down to who you pick and straight luck.

Best example I've seen. You got a 50 car race. You can bet on the top guy or 3 of the others. The catch is its not just 1st place who wins. The top 3rd does(lower chance of a draft pick hit roughly). If the top guy wrecks you're left with nothing but with those 3 guys you have some real security and a possibility for multiple top 1/3 finishes! GrantEd each one has a slightly higher chance not to finish higher but together it's much more likely at least 1 does and there's a lot of uncertainty that the top guy even IS the top guy. Won't know til the end of the race might as well hedge your bets.

Now we are using NASCAR comparions! Creative.

To me, wrecks are like a injury. They are going to happen. Just hard to say who is going to be involved, and when it might happen.

Free Agency:

*Release RGIII, Tramon Williams, and Josh McCown - This saves us roughly 19 million. I'd consider Andrew Hawkins too as he'd be a 1.8 million relief.

*Resign Terrelle Pryor and Jamie Collins - These two are priorities. Collins would be 1a. If we lose both the front office needs to be evaluated and criticized on what the hell their plan is.

*Sign TJ McDonald / SS / Los Angeles - Him and Hyde wouldn't be a sexy pairing, but they'd do their jobs and be consistent. Familiarity in Greg Williams system. LA has to choose between keeping him or Trumaine Johnson because money is tight for them.

*Sign Micah Hyde / FS / Green Bay - We pay him to be a starter at our free safety spot. Not a sexy big name signing, but he'd be solid for us.

*Sign Johnathan Hankins / DT / New York - One of the best run stuffers in the entire NFL. Him paired with Shelton would solve our run defense issues potentially once and for all. Not a guy that will break bank. He would be our big name free agent we sign. Giants can't afford to keep him after what they gave Harrison, Vernon, and their secondary.



Draft:

1. Myles Garrett / DE / Texas A&M

1. Deshone Kizer / QB / Notre Dame

2. Adam Bisnowaty / RT / Pittsburgh

2. Jourdan Lewis / DB / Michigan

3. Dorian Johnson / RG / Pittsburgh

***Trade our three 5th round picks to move up into the 3rd round***

3. Tyler Orlosky / OC / West Virginia

4. Alex Anzalone / ILB / Florida

4. Ardarius Stewart / WR / Alabama

6. James Conner / RB / Pittsburgh

I thought it interesting.

TJ McDonald? Why?

The guy is terrible in the open field. No hips. No lateral movement. Big hitter, but a straight line player that whiffs too often.

I'd rather just ride out kindred. The only real difference makers are Berry in FA and adams. If we don't land one of them we might as well not bother with ss.

Love your FA choices.

1-1) Myles Garrett, DE
1-12) Cory Davis, WR
2-33) Carlos Watkins, DT
2-53) Jourdan Lewis, CB
3-65) Patrick Mahomes, QB
4-106) Chad Wheeler, OT
4-?) Jadar Johnson, SS
5-?) Jon Toth, Center
5-?) Josh Malone, WR
6-?) Marquel Lee, MLB

This is the time of the year when people start overthinking the draft and coming up w/wild scenarios.

Guys start falling or rising w/alarming suddenness. And it happens after all the games have ceased.

That's why every year you see guys like Ponder, Gabbert, Weeden, Bortles, Locker, etc get overvalued and end up being drafted LONG before what their actual value warrants.

Very true. But it is entertaining and we (some of us anyway) have far too much time on our hands...lol.

Another laugh, coming away with Tennessee's 2018 1st round pick, three first rounder picks this year and getting Garrett, Hooker, Tabor & Jones. Traded up from #12 to #7, giving up the 2nd, 2nd, to get Hooker. Seriously tried to go BPA here. This draft wouldn't do a thing for the O-line, but defense would take a huge step forward. Oh, to dream.

Your score is: 11299 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 5 (TENN): Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 7 (LAC): Malik Hooker, FS, Ohio State (A)
Round 1 Pick 18 (TENN): [censored] Tabor, CB, Florida (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Patrick Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech (A-)
Round 5 Pick 32: Stacy Coley, WR, Miami (Fla.) (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2018 Round 1 Pick (TENN)
2019 Round 1 Pick

You traded down from 1 to 5 and only got a 3rd out of it? I would have just kept the #1 pick

Watson and Trubisky got drafted quick.

Your score is: 10331 (GRADE: B+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 4 (CHI): Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20: Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson (A+)
Round 3 Pick 20 (T.B.): Howard Wilson, CB, Houston (B+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (B)
Round 4 Pick 13 (ARI): Patrick Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech (A)
Round 5 Pick 32: Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee (A-)

That`s a great draft. I`ve started assuming parts about resigns and FA. Here`s my updated effort -

- We resign Pryor and Collins;
- We pick up Trumaine Johnson in FA. Possibly other positions such as DT,LB but that was the main impact to my draft.
- We pick up Micah Hyde as SS.

Traded down with NYJ to pick up their #6, 2nd rounder and next year`s first. Traded back up to 4 to pick up Garrett.

Your score is: 10863 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 4 (JAX): Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Malik Hooker, FS, Ohio State (A+)
Round 2 Pick 4 (CHI): Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)
Round 2 Pick 7 (NYJ): JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, Southern California (A-)
Round 3 Pick 11 (BUF): Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia (A-)
Round 4 Pick 4 (CHI): Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (B+)
Round 5 Pick 32: D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2018 Round 1 Pick (NYJ)
2019 Round 1 Pick

Might as well put this here. Drafttek's updated big-board.
Can someone w/ football brains explain to me their DLine positions? DL5T, DL3T, DL1T? I am assuming T is for Technique. Is it just where you are lined up against an O-Line?

http://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2017.asp

Top 20
01) Garrett
02) Adams
03) Tabor
04) Allen
05) Hooker
06) Fournette
07) Mike Williams
08) Marlon Humphrey
09) Solomon Thomas
10) Peppers
11) Cam Robinson
12) Dalvin Cook
13) Malik McDowell
14) Reuben Foster
15) Deshaun Watson
16) Derek Barnett
17) Demarcus Walker
18) Marshon Lattimore
19) John Ross
20) Corey Davis

Yeah, "t" is for technique.

Just as the offense has "holes", in play calling, the d has "t #"

This link will do better than me at explaining.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/defensive-line-techniques-the-prototypes/

Shocking Trubisky lasted that long.

All 3 QBs were still on the board at 33 so I traded down 3 spots. They then all went straight after. It's all nonsense but fun nonsense

j/c

Went defense first, then offense

Your score is: 9292 (GRADE: C+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (B+)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A-)
Round 4 Pick 1: Patrick Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech (A-)
Round 5 Pick 32: Jessamen Dunker, OG, Tennessee State (B)
Round 6 Pick 1: Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee (A-)

I enjoy it ... Besides needed a break from working on this week's sermon

If this happens, then I call for Mac to give the Harvard boys a pedicure.

We definitely wouldn't be drafting first next year.

Pass rusher and Wr in the first round, 3rd round quarterback.

I don't hate the idea, and I've seen this on a couple other lists I've read.
I just think it's a clone of last years draft.
and not for nothing, but after the Browns """kept""" 3 late rd. Wr's last year, I don't know what they'd expect to get out of a late rd wr this year, except injury insurance.

Myles Garrett.
I think people might have goo goo goggles for Myles Garrett.

They say when you shop for a new automobile, don't fall in love with one automobile.

People definitely do. But at the same time it really is warranted. He isn't perfect but he's as close as there's been in a long time. You just don't get dynamic athletes with a good head on theur shoulders and elite production. Not to his extent anyways. Say what you will but he has my highest grade since luck.

I still have hope for a couple of last years late round WR, but none are etched in stone.

The Steelers don't care who they have on their roster and it seems every year they come up with a new weapon for big ben.

"itched" LOL..........not busting your balls, my man, but I think you meant "etched."

I wonder if those receivers in Pittsburgh do so well because they have Big Ben and other good players around them?

Link

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 7 (LAC): Malik Hooker, FS, Ohio State (A)
Round 1 Pick 12: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, FS, Iowa (B)
Round 2 Pick 6 (LAC): Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy (B)
Round 3 Pick 1: Forrest Lamp, OG, Western Kentucky (B+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (B+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Marquel Lee, ILB, Wake Forest (B-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Eric Saubert, TE, Drake (D)

Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2018 Round 1 Pick (LAC)
2019 Round 1 Pick

I'm pretty sure the Chargers aren't going to trade up for Ramczyk at 1-1, though.

I was thinking I'd go Barnett at 12, but he went to New Orleans at 11. Considered McDowell, but some of the attitude questions tilted me away from him as we try to develop our hard working culture. Lattimore is in the running for BPA, is Joe Haden insurance, and you can never have too many good corners.

At 2-1 there were a few interesting pass rushers still there but no real got to have guy, and one should last till 2-6. I saw Desmond King and started thinking about our safeties. If we went more interchangeable safeties instead of the more strict FS/SS designations we'd get a lot of flexibility. King and Hooker patrolling the back end is enticing. Both Hooker and King are playmakers which we could use as many of as we can get.

Taco gives us some pass rushing Juice and he's still got upside.

OL Value looked too good to pass up next, JT isn't going to play forever.

Lamp probably won't still be on the board in the 3rd round, but if he is I run the card up to the podium. I think he could play all 5 OL positions. I hope he gets some Center reps at the senior bowl. If he can snap, I think he'd really solidify our line.

We could use a bigger short yardage back and Perine is good value in the 4th.

Our LB situation is somewhat fluid with the change to the 4-3 and I'm not sure who will end where. Lee seems to fit the aggresiveness Hue seems to desire on D as he had 19 TFLs this season.

I'll use our last pick on a small school flier. I've heard good things from Shrine game practices, and the tape I could find looked interesting. Hue had a good thing going with Eifert in Cinci and Barnidge isn't getting any younger.

Saubert 2015 Highlights-Youtube

If we do pick up another 2018 1st, I'd consider using one in a trade for Jimmy G. I wouldn't particularly like it, but I don't think we can stand pat with what we had last year.

Oops! I think that there is more than big ben. Me thinks they evaluate talent better than most. Especially at LB and WR.

Grimm where did you get that mcdowell has attitude problems? Im pretty sure that's a fabrication sir. Everything's been over discussed so much it seems like where starting to resemble that old kindergarten phone game. The only off field note for mcdowell was his refusal to slack at request of his teammates in practice because he was making them look bad giving them extra work. Even that's more of a twitter bs type story. The kid works and keeps his mouth shut to my knowledge.

Curious on the board opinions of this?

Chicago at 3 or the Jets at 6 come calling.

We get 2018 #1 Plus more.

Hooker or Adams in the move down.

Thomas or Barnett at 12.

Would you do it?

We've got to be open to a trade down. It might happen.

I wouldn't.

We need elite franchise changing talent. Not really good, but franchise changing. There's a reason you don't see teams constantly trading down from #1 and it's not always because they want a QB because a QB isn't always taken #1.

Here are some quotes on McDowell from Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 list:






He did play through some injuries this season, and I did consider him for the pick. It's not a huge concern, but I decided to go a different way.

I was going back through Hue's post game pressers yesterday to try to find when Hue commented on there being franchise QBs in the draft, and hard working and consistency were popular buzz words.

I thought the not slacking in practice guy was Derek Barnett?

Find anything?