I remember when President Obama told us that elections have consequences, and he won .... so Republicans should just shut up and get out of his way. I remember when Harry Reid neutered the filibuster, and told the Republicans to just shut up and get out of the way.
It often sucks to be hoisted with your own petard.
Except you control everything. So the only ones standing in your way is yourselves. Not the same obama went through. You have every branch of government in your control.
This is why these next 4 years will be entertaining in the most terrible and morally bankrupt way imaginable.
We're about to watch conservatives and their republican leadership tank the nation, and they have no choice but to point the finger at each other, cause they control everything.
My money is on Pence becoming the fall guy.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
We don't have a choice but to have hope, even though we have a pretty good idea on how this is going to end.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I think Trump is an idiot. But I will say that I listened to the hearings on Tillerson and think He might make a decent Secretary of State. Unless he was BSing his way through that of course.
Don't have much faith in his other appointments at all. I mean what could go wrong with all those people in place that dislike the very thing they are assigned to run?
for 8 years, they did everything they could to stop anything that Obama wanted. And for the most part, they didn't succeed.
Nope, you are not seeing it correctly. We did everything to stop Obama from spending money with both hands. We were not looking to stifle him, just his spending.
We managed to hold him to adding only $10 Trillion to our debt.
Really? What about the supreme court vacancy.. What about when he was elected in 2008 (assuming office in 2009) and had various high ranking republicans stand up and say they would never lift a finger to help in anyway and that they would do whatever they could to defeat his every motion.
Your grasp of history is one sided as can be.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
We don't have a choice but to have hope, even though we have a pretty good idea on how this is going to end.
You should start a prediction thread on how this is going to end because I'm pretty sure my opinion of how this is going to end and yours are quite different.
Personally, I don't think it's going to be anywhere near the catastrophe the left seems to think it is... I also don't think it's going to be anywhere near the utopia that folks like 40 think it's going to be.
I also think that the left is setting themselves up to do to Trump what the right did to Obama.. they are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. They are rallying their folks to prepare to fight, to sue, to obstruct, some have even used "go to war" references.. over Trumps policies, which they haven't even seen yet. So after they fight and sue and obstruct, then a few years from now they can say, "See how much division he caused? We told you this was going to happen."
Your boy is out here tweeting like a 16 year old girl who didn't get the car she wanted on her birthday.
The prophecy has already been fulfilled.
How bout this: I'll give your boy a fair shot when he stops YOLO tweeting.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
As hard as it is to look past his childish tweeting, which I agree, looks pretty freaking stupid, looks like amateur hour... tweeting isn't policy. I'm waiting to see what kind of policy he puts forward.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
We shall see bro, I'm not going to fight about something until it is put on paper and put before congress.. Until that happens, his tweeting is just a really bad look.
As hard as it is to look past his childish tweeting, which I agree, looks pretty freaking stupid, looks like amateur hour... tweeting isn't policy. I'm waiting to see what kind of policy he puts forward.
The Tweeting part is childish, no question, but what might actually be worse is his thin skin. Geez, can you imagine what it would have been like with all the insults that were hurled at Obama and Bush if they'd have been thin skinned.
That can't bode well for the leader of the free world. Just can't.
As for policy, I'm not sure but it almost feels like he tweets out ideas (random thoughts really) to judge how they are received..
If received well without a lot of push back, he doubles down. If he gets a lot of push back, he and his folks walk it back..
In a way, it's kinda smart, but geez I'm getting tired of childs play.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
[/quote] It's why I believe politics is just a cycle. [/quote]
It is just a cycle.
It moves right when the country goes so far left because the biggest worries of a party become some males confusions over which bathroom they should use.
It moves left when the country goes so far right that when a woman is raped by a tuna fish she must give birth to that tuna-human.
The check and balances this country has in place is what has made this country second to none.
When you have never lost at anything in your life because mommy and daddy hover over all that you do and make everything alright again.
When you get an equal trophy to those who worked hard and dedicated themselves to the sport. When winning and losing are equal so no one is offended. When how you feel is more important than what you work to achieve and earn.
When you are looked down upon because you are an A+ Asian student who studied hard while others are rewarded for doing nothing.
These are some of the things our society has done to our children and after this election we face their "over the top" wrath as they are, for the first time in their lives, told NO!
take out the Asian part, and you just described the life of Donald Trump.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
You are so full of Balony I don't know if I should even reply to that garbage.
Trumps rich daddy made Donny work in construction where he had to do all the heavy lifting dirty jobs because he was on the bottom.
Rich daddy waited till he was grown and knew what work was before giving him money and introducing him to the people who could teach him about running businesses.
He would cry himself to sleep at night after having to butter his own bread and open his own wine bottle!
Now you know very well the Biden rule tied our hands on Obama appointing any more Justices.
To set the record straight on this subject, no appointment was made, no obstruction ever happened.
Biden just shot off his mouth back then and now all of a sudden it's this made up rule coming from the imagination of bloggers, right wing obstructionists in congress, and the fake media.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
His rich daddy also made sure he didn't go to war with the rest of america.
But of course you left that part out.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Wow! Even Putin thinks some of you Lib Dawgs are immoral dogs! Whoda Thunkit?
of course you're happy that your russian leader is slamming us.
you routinely choose what Russia has to say about us over your own fellow americans.
Screw what Putin has to say. he ain't the leader of this country. but unfortunately his puppet is.
hope you conservatives are proud of yourselves.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Remember when world leaders from such progressive countries and bastions of civil rights such as Iran and China were all gushing over Obama when he won in 2008? The narrative then was, that's because Obama is going to bring peace and diplomacy back, countries of the world will love us once again.. So Trump has a better relationship with Russia than with China.. what's the big deal?
I mean what could go wrong with all those people in place that dislike the very thing they are assigned to run?
Pretty sure Trump appointed them because of that. Maybe it's some sort of way to get them to work better together and fix and tweak what's now in place.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
of course you're happy that your russian leader is slamming us.
you routinely choose what Russia has to say about us over your own fellow americans.
Remember when that Iraqi dude stood up and threw his shoe at President Bush and democrats thought that was the greatest thing ever? And when EU leaders called Bush all kinds of names.. y'all thought that was hilarious. Clearly the left has no issue choosing what foreigners say over their own fellow Americans...
And this is the problem with politics, there is almost NOTHING the left can slam the right for because you have done pretty much everything you are now slamming the right for doing.. and the same the other way
under Obama, countries have loved us again. living in Europe for much of that period of his presidency, all people did was praise the guy.
that's my experience. i'm sure PDX has similar things to say.
the big deal is that Trump is going against...everybody just to suck up to Russia. you do realize that Putin is damn war criminal, right? hell, even Republican Marco Rubio drilled the incoming SoS on that. even mitch mcconnel and Paul ryan support the sanctions on russia, and have stated that even more should be done.
Sorry, but Trump is cool with the Kremlin because he owes them money. there is a very clear conflict of interest in that. and better relationship with Russia = letting them walk all over us.
I want a better relationship with Russia. you know what that requires? Putin taking a hike.
have you seen what he's done to Aleppo? you want to be cool with that? sorry, but i can't and won't ever support being friendly with that douchebag. if you're cool with that, then we just don't have anything left to discuss.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Face the facts man, I enjoy quoting Putin at you but it is you and your liberal minions who are aiding and abetting our enemy Putin by helping him to divide this Nation!
Who is the Comrade here? The mirror will answer that for you.
Face the facts man, I enjoy quoting Putin at you but it is you and your liberal minions who are aiding and abetting our enemy Putin by helping him to divide this Nation!
Who is the Comrade here? The mirror will answer that for you.
Yeah, the nation wasn't divided before. lol
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
nope, definitely not a comrade around here. but i'm sure your boy is. how much money does he owe Russia?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
the big deal is that Trump is going against...everybody just to suck up to Russia. you do realize that Putin is damn war criminal, right? hell, even Republican Marco Rubio drilled the incoming SoS on that. even mitch mcconnel and Paul ryan support the sanctions on russia, and have stated that even more should be done.
Yea, those same people didn't want a deal with Iran either.. they didn't want a nuclear Iran that executes homosexuals and kids under 18, then stomps all over people's basic human rights, and is a perpetual threat to Israel.. but you thought they were idiots and you were right.. now they agree with you they are geniuses.. You are pretty selective in which evil leaders you want to trust and get in bed with.
We stopped Iran from getting nukes, nothing more. They are still an enemy of the United States.
Sorry but the Israel nonsense is nothing more than crying wolf. It's funny how you and others believe those crap lies, yet ignore the fact that no other nation is attacking Israel because they are Us backed. Us money, us weapons, us equipment.
So you can save that stuff for somebody who blindly follows Israel. I ain't one of them. I'm sure 40 will listen.
You're pretty selective for who you criticize and who you want to give a shot to. Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
1) Trump owes Blackstone/ Bayrock group $560 million dollars (one of his largest debtors and the primary reason he won't reveal his tax returns)2) Blackstone is owned wholly by Russian billionaires, who owe their position to Putin and have made billions from their work with the Russian government.3) Other companies that have borrowed from Blackstone have claimed that owing money to them is like owing to the Russian mob and while you owe them, they own you for many favors.4) The Russian economy is badly faltering under the weight of its over-dependence on raw materials which as you know have plummeted in the last 2 years leaving the Russian economy scrambling to pay its debts.5) Russia has an impetus to influence our election to ensure the per barrel oil prices are above $65 ( they are currently hovering around $50)6) Russia can't affordably get at 80% of its oil reserves and reduce its per barrel cost to compete with America at $45 or Saudi Arabia at $39. With Iranian sanctions being lifted Russia will find another inexpensive competitor increasing production and pushing Russia further down the list of suppliers. As for Iranian sanctions, the 6 countries lifting them allowing Iran to collect on the billions it is owed for pumping oil but not being paid for it. These billions Iran can only get if the Iranian nuclear deal is signed. Trump spoke of ending the deals which would cause oil sales sanctions to be reimposed, which would make Russian oil more competitive.7) Rex Tillerson (Trump's pick for Secretary of State) is the head of ExxonMobil, which is in possession of patented technology that could help Putin extract 45% more oil at a significant cost savings to Russia, helping Putin put money in the Russian coffers to help reconstitute its military and finally afford to mass produce the new and improved systems that it had invented before the Russian economy had slowed so much.8) Putin cannot get access to these new cost saving technologies OR outside oil field development money, due to US sanctions on Russia, because of its involvement in Ukrainian civil war.9) Look for Trump to end sanctions on Russia and to back out of the Iranian nuclear deal, to help Russia rebuild its economy, strengthen Putin and make Tillerson and Trump even richer, thus allowing Trump to satisfy his creditors at Blackstone.10) With Trump's fabricated hatred of NATO and the U.N., the Russian military reconstituted, the threat to the Baltic states is real. Russia retaking their access to the Baltic Sea from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia and threatening the shipping of millions of cubic feet of natural gas to lower Europe from Scandinavia, allowing Russia to make a good case for its oil and gas being piped into eastern Europe.Sources: Time Magazine, NY Times, The Atlantic, The Guardian UK.
Now I have to swallow my pride and hope republican congress puts an end to whatever trump is pulling.
man......we got a bought and paid for Russian puppet in the WH. Thanks, guys.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
for 8 years, they did everything they could to stop anything that Obama wanted. And for the most part, they didn't succeed.
Nope, you are not seeing it correctly. We did everything to stop Obama from spending money with both hands. We were not looking to stifle him, just his spending.
We managed to hold him to adding only $10 Trillion to our debt.
Really? What about the supreme court vacancy.. What about when he was elected in 2008 (assuming office in 2009) and had various high ranking republicans stand up and say they would never lift a finger to help in anyway and that they would do whatever they could to defeat his every motion.
Your grasp of history is one sided as can be.
Was that before or after Obama said the following:
Or how he told us that elections have consequences, and he won.
Republicans tried to add things that would lower costs, like open competition across state lines, to the ACA before it passed "so we could see what's in it", but were shut out by the Democrats across the board.
It is no wonder that they said they would do whatever they could to defeat his agenda.
Obama never learned to do the thing that successful Presidents do, and that's to work with the opposition party. Democrats hated G.W. Bush, but he managed to get some things done with them, even early on.
Obama ruled by fiat, using executive actions on some fairly major items. These will be "un-ordered" fairly quickly, maybe even on day 1, and most of Obama's most prized accomplishments will be undone. That is always the danger of executive orders.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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