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I am thinking he will be far right on many things, but also far left on others. One thing I don't see him doing is giving a crap about who agrees or disagrees with him

Cool.

Now, how are you going to do that?

Regulations and price caps on meds like the rest of the first world countries do. If they have to do something with pre existing conditions people to get them out of the market then put them on medicare.

I think controlling health care costs is highly unlikely.

In this regard, the only systemic progress I've seen in the Health Care Industry (ie. Doctors) in the last decades was the creation and expanded use of the PA (Physician's Assistant).

And of course some stringent regulation of medicinal (pharmaceutical) costs could help.

(maybe, maybe not - keep in mind a lot of the high cost of meds is "recovery of research costs" - the expenses pharmaceutical companies paid to develop new medicines)

And of course pharmaceutical companies have armies of accountants who can justify those research recovery costs.

Heck, I can justify it right now on my keyboard.

Nice new buildings and facilities (to attract top researchers), high executive salary (to attract top executives), high profit returns (to attract equity investors) (stock investors)

See? We need to keep funneling money to drug companies.

And what about the children?

(always good a good cliche - the "we care" feel) (don't ever forget about the children. "They're our future".)

I need a tissue.

Would you guys stop picking on the poor Pharmaceutical companies?

If you guys look at top industries by profit margin, all the healthcare industries are near the top.

quote above by eve:

"If you guys look at top industries by profit margin, all the healthcare industries are near the top."

I'm just thinking.

Higher profit margins = higher stock prices. Making stockholders wealthier (and happier).

And that makes top company executives wealthier (and happier).

And everybody wants to be happy, so let's spend a bunch of money on development, create demand for a new drug, and include our research costs in the sales price of the drug. (plus say a healthy 50% mark-up - don't worry the accountants will justify the mark-up)

And everybody is happy.

Nobody will ever be able to sell me a sob story that costs to heaithcare companies are too high when they rake in the dough. Especially big pharma. Research costs? My ass.

But what about the little children?

What will he be far left on?

Eve I'm glad you agree with me. I've felt this way for years. They're also why cheaper alternatives will never be available (e.g. Weed and drugs imported from Canada).

No coincidence they are the biggest donors of politicians.

Well, we should start getting answers tomorrow as President Trump is already penning some executive orders; some of the issues addressed is Obamacare, immigration, lobbyists and ISIS.
While no particulars are out yet, I heard something yesterday that the pentagon is looking at Syria which they may send a few brigades (a brigade is 4,000 soldiers) of ground troops and the pentagon is also working on how to "deal with Iran".
As far as Obamacare, I don't think things will start off good if he repeals it tomorrow.
And on a side note, it seems that North Korea is already trolling Trump by setting up 2 mobile missile launchers and will launch to see what Trump will do.

He didn't clean up anything, Obama add more to the national debt then any President in history...all he done was ruin your children's future, and ruin the standard of living for future Americans for the next 100 years.



Obama was every bit as much of a filaure at putting us in debt then Bush Jr. was...Obama was even worse with debt and i didn't think that was even possible after the train wreck of Bush Jr., but somehow he beat him...

My daughters future is fine because of him.

Unless of course Trump screws it up.

You do understand how the budget deficit affects the national debt, right? When W left office, our yearly deficit was about $1 TRILLION. The next person to take office, no matter who it was Dem or Rep, could not make up that $1 Trillion overnight. That means each year, the debt had no choice but to grow. Obama lowered the deficit significantly over 8 years but had no choice that the national debt was going up.

Now Trump has inherited a much lower yearly deficit, which is great. It's what we should all want. Now, unless he somehow can find a way to actually take that deficit and make it a surplus...guess what? The debt will continue to grow but I highly doubt you'll come back in 4 years and talk about how Trump ruined our children's future even more.

I honestly hope he can figure it out. Let's keep the positive momentum of reducing our deficit moving in the right direction.

So your saying your family being on the hook for 151,000 dollars owed on the national debt puts your daughter in a good position? Are you flipping insane!?

Your daughter owes the government 151,000 dollars...that could easily pay for her education....non one in their right mind would say they are in good shape...

this is not to mention the crap insurance...pay 650+ dollars a month for a plan with a 3,000 dollar out of pocket expense is somehow good?

the only people who think Obama did something good for them are the ones receiving some kind of government assistance.

I don't receive one ounce of goverment aid, I am taxed at every turn from property taxes, to income taxes, the whole 9 yard...I didn't even get an income tax return last year...I had to pay the state of ohio 515 dollars and was on the hook to pay uncle same a little over grand

must be nice to live in your world....you don't have a clue what the middle class has to suffer with in this country....we work our rear ends off just to have them take, take, take...you have no clue...no clue...

Swish

I am not trying to be condescending to you, and if it comes off that way. I apologize.

Many people don't understand though, these programs such as health care.

They are not taking from the rich(they have all these accountants and loop hole laws to get out of paying)

They are not taking from the poor as they receive the benefits

Its the middle class working Americans and small business they are taking from...and all they do is take, take, take.

Again, im not trying to start an argument with you, and I don't want to come off as condescending..

I just want you to understand, these people are ruining your daughters chance at middle class or better future because they are impoverishing us all with debt

All of us should want a government that helps us succeed, not drag us down in debt.

I'm going to ignore some of the things you've said, just so there won't be any beef.

All I'm going to say is that my family is middle class, and has been since 2008. Were fine my way. And I thankful that I got to be alive during obamas terms.

You're talking to me as if I don't live in this country. As such, most of your comments don't deserve a response. You're absolutely being condescending right now, and for no reason.

As is said earlier, I was not meaning to be condescending towards you, and I def do not want you to think I am talking to you as if you don't live here.

Yes, we both may be middle class for now BUT the effects of trillions of dollars in debt won't be felt right away. About 4-5 years from now the Economy will finally feel the crushing blow of that 10 trillion that was spent in 8 years...just like to took 8 years for Bush Jr. dumb decisions to effect Obama's beginning term.

Yes the 1st 3 years Obama had in office he inherited Bush.Jr gaffes, I can be fair. I don't think Obama handled them in the right way, but he still inheritied them.

The last thing I want is any kind of beef with anyone here. I want you to remain in the middle class, and for your kids to also have and remain the same in kind, or even better.

We can't go on like this Swish...this kinda debt will dry up the middle class, both of us sooner or later...you can only take take take take take for so long

A country that can save money and invest in its own country is a country that will create opportunities for its people, with careers and work. We have nothing to show for the 7 Trillion Bush Jr spent, and evne less to show for the nearly 9 Trillion Obama spent...enough is enough..this can't continue of there will be no more United States in 70-100 years...

I think we have plenty to show for the spending.

Sorry, but while I hate the level of debt we're at, you're not gonna convince me to ignore the fact that obama has 75 straight months of job growth, of mostly full time employment.

Or the strides we've come with civil liberties, such as marriage equality.

Or our booming stock market, or our positive economic Growth, including last quarter where it hit 3.2%.

Or the fact that companies have been reinvesting into our country, regardless if Agent Orange(one last insult befor he's sworn in) tries to take credit for it, however false it may be.

Or handing down the order to kill osama bin laden.

To me, obama was a fantastic president. Economic wise, and socially.

Please direct your anger to somebody who feels the same as you. Cause you won't be getting any sort of agreement out of me.

Im not angry about Obama or anything else.

what do we have to show for our 20 trillion debt?

How can we pay back 20 trillion? You realize our economy would have to grow by double digits every year for the next 75 years to even hope to pay that off, and that's simply not going to happen. its not feasible. Even at times of huge economic booms of the 20th century you were only seeing a 6-8% increase in economy. What good past presidents have done, be it Obama, or whoever you want to compare it to washed away with how much it costs in debt.

Obama would have had to create 650 million jobs that all paid at least 80,000 dolalrs a year just to break even on the nearly 10 trillion he spent, and we both know that is not the case.

This is the last im posting on this matter, but too many Americans are in denial about the state of this country, and it wasn't just Obama, this has been going on since Jimmy Carter got into office, his successors just carried it on.

Mark my words we(normal middle class folks) will pay dearly for Bush Jr and Obama's nearly combined 20 trillion in debt...one way or another we will suffer for it...give it a few years we will see the largest depression in history...not a recession a DEPRESSION...things are going to hit home real hard about 2020-2022....see you then...

And we Christians don't want to be run by the Marxists/practical atheists either.

Trump won (in part) because the left slit their own throats with their silly excessive extremism. They became too transparent in their devious schemes too early.

The public was not softened up enough yet to accept the madness they were offering. The liberals overconfidently moved too fast, too early. The people arent crazy enough to buy what they're selling. A few more years of indoctrination and propaganda may do the trick.

You don't have to be part of the Christian right to reject the absurdities that the left has been offering. I would have felt the same way about what they have to offer before I became a Christian, and was basically the opposite of what I am now.

Yes, that's what it says in Two Corinthians.

" Thou shall love thy neighbor, unless he has no investments in the stock market"

-Melania Trump

More like 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 6:11)

Note...I was not a Trump supporter during election. I was more just an anti-liberal platform, anyone but Hillary. I became a Trump supporter after he was elected (since he's my president now)

My posts had nothing to do with Trump, but everything to do with the abominable wretchedness that the left has become. They even have blackshirts and thugs to try to attack anyone who opposes them. The left has lost ALL credibility with a lot of people, including moderates, because of their fanaticism. The far left are the real fanatics/intolerant hatemongers

What, did she really say this? Huh?

BTW, I saw all this coming thirty years ago, as did most conservative Christians. Open your eyes and you will see what the left is trending towards, and it's not good.

Maybe someone can cite a source.

There is no source. That was Swish being humorous.

I remember back in the mid-70's, a guy was trying to tell me how the Government was going to control the people, but not like you think he said. First they would gain some control through health care, by telling you what you could eat and what you can't eat. second they would be able to have all your information so they could tell how your living. I thought the guy was a loon, but through the years I can see just how right he's been, now not all things have happened yet, but I can see where alot of this is going.

The rejection of the Democratic platform in 2017 was a step in the right direction. As much as I am uncertain about Trump (I hope he does exceptionally well), I think enough people realized that the path that the Libs were leading us down was not the way to go, and we at least got a short reprieve from it. The Dems were leading us to "progressive" disintegration

Let's face it. Both candidates sucked and more people hated Hillary than Trump.

We knew what we were going to get with Hillary, more of the same but worse. I have a little hope that Trump may do well, but I knew I didn't want four years of "progressive" decay from the radical left

LIke I said, I see where the Left is trending, and I don't want to go there. Though I know it will happen eventually. Where the far left wants to take us is exactly where Biblical prophecy says the entire world will go

And you see, there's a flip side. There is a far right just as there is a far left. Neither is a good thing and both are just as bad.

And Biblical prophecy? Do you think that you can actually change where we are headed by your vote? Do you actually think Biblical prophecy will change?

This year was the first time I didn't vote for president. There is a certain standard that I believe is necessary to earn my vote. Yes, "earn" my vote. I don't believe either party put forth a candidate worthy of voting for.

If you can't see that both extremes of politics is bad for our nation, I don't know what to tell you. Both are more interested in dividing our nation than finding any common ground. A house divided shall not stand.

Yes I realize there is a far right, but the president is not far right. As far as Bible prophecy, I do not see it as fatalistic. Certain, yes. Fatalistic, no. In other words, God is not the author of the evil we will bring on ourselves. It is by permissive decree. God restrains evil and calamnity that would inevitably come upon us due to our own actions and courses, until the cup of our lawlessness is full, and then He removes His hand of Grace and allows us to eat the fruit of our own actions.

So the things predicted in the Bible are certain, for they are foreknown by God. But that does not mean that God causes the things to happen like a puppet show. The things that are going to happen are going to happen as a result of our own undoing. It will not be the fault of the government when it happens. It will be the fault of "we the people". Because sometimes God gives us the leaders we deserve.

SO the fact that something is inevitable does not mean that we should sit on our hands and do nothing while they happen. That is not the intent of biblical prophecy. Biblical prophecies are warnings and calls to action

As far as division and unity, I do not believe in unity when the crowd is walking in the wrong direction.

Very refreshing, good show LA.

Thanks 40

BTW, As a nation, we also need to remember Genesis 12:3. Obama flubbed that one too.

Yes, he cursed us as we clung to our Guns and Bibles.

I am just happy the entire world has finally gotten to see the true colors of the Liberal/Progressive movement. They are everything they claim others to be. They point and call names to keep everyone else from seeing that is exactly what they are doing themselves.

They are the Bullies
They are the Nazi's
They are the Oppressors
They are the Racists
They are the Bigots

Now hold on a second.

You can't be a Bullie if your only against Christians.
You can't be a Nazi if your only against Christians.
You can't be an Oppressor if your only trying to oppress Christians.
You can't be racist, or a bigot if your only ragging about Christians.

It's a good thing the guy you voted for hasn't done such a thing. Like adultery against both of his first two wives. And that little pesky lying thing he does.

Let he who be without sin cast the first stone.