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It may be the guy wanted more money and an extension and NE wqsn't going to do that. (talking about Collins and what may have been off with him in NE)
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This is a good start.
Caution to everyone whining and expecting us to continue to sign our own (MAC).
In 2 years we are going to be at the stage where we're going to have guys with expiring contracts. We CAN'T be signing every one of our own to 30+M guaranteed contracts going forward. No team does it. It's why high caliber players hit FA every single year.
We need to pick and choose.
This is a good start though.
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looks to be good news, especially if done this early. It's at least one position we won't have to worry about for a few years
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What did "cheap" get the Browns?...one win?
All the teams remaining in the playoffs spend most of their cap, choosing to carry over less than 10mill.
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He wouldn't sign it if it wasn't ... The guy everyone is so thrilled to sign said we'd have to pay more cause we suck .. *L* ,,, Yup .. thats MY KINDA GUY ... he sure sounds like a building block to me ... 
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What did you expect? The dude went to sleep 8-1, woke up 0-8.
You'd have to overpay any player to stay here. That's the reality until we're finally good.
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I gotta tell you, I'm questioning the source of this information.
By that I mean, for the most part, LaConfora is anti Browns, Anti Haslam.
So to have a positive article from him makes me wonder if we're being set up.
Of course, I hope it's true... but!
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Oh I don't doubt that there could be other factors. But trading him for value when you know you couldn't bring him back is a big part of it. It's similar to the Jimmy cap sitatution In that regard. They have some big $ to spend for their cbs and MLB especially. If I had to choose between bring back Logan, collins or Hightower I'd dump collins too. Your SENSITIVE ass best not read this one pred ... 1st - he was GIVEN AWAY ... literally ... GIVEN AWAY ... The pats are getting a 4th for him if re-sign him ... a 4TH ... ... if not they get the conditional 3rd we would have gotten from the league for him if he left via FA ... witch means the Pats would have gotten THAT SAME CONDITIONAL THIRD we got had they kept him on their team for their SB run ... So they actually GAVE UP draft spots to "trade" him ... *LOL* ... Bill wanted him gone so bad he actually gave up DRAFT SLOTS to get rid of him ... To say this was a decision based off the fact it was a choice of witch players to keep is a MYTH made up to make yourselvesl feel better ... This is an INCONSISTENT, ME GUY ... he was traded because he was FREELANCING and hurting the team ... Think about how bad he had to be for Bill to let him go smack dab in the middle of a SB run ... actually think about that and just don't discard it or fall back to "we need talent" ... go ahead .. if your capable of thinking, think about that for a minute ... then think that were going to make him one of the highest paid LBers in the game today ... i'd be hopeful our FO comes up with a good deal for us in terms of incentives and stuff but there's no way Collins would sign that ... Thank God we got him ... we need more PRIMA DONNA'S ... Bad move IMO ... enjoy your love fest dawgs .. this ones going to bite us in the ass if it happens ...
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What did you expect? The dude went to sleep 8-1, woke up 0-8.
You'd have to overpay any player to stay here. That's the reality until we're finally good. No argument there ... agree 100% ... Its one thing to know it, its an entirely different thing to come out and say it ... if u don't understand the difference ... good luck in your negotiations if u ever go into business ... *LOL* ...
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I found this on PFF (I know some of you don't like them, but it's content and we can talk about it): Pro Ranking All 32 Defensive Front 7s This Season 29. Cleveland Browns
Top overall grade: NT Danny Shelton, 82.4
Lowest overall grade: DT Jamie Meder, 42.8
This ranking was to be expected when relying on a handful of rookies to play impactful snaps up front. What wasn’t as expected was the general ineffectiveness of Jamie Collins after coming over from New England. During his eight games with the Browns, Collins surrendered 27 catches on 30 targets for 235 yards and two touchdowns without getting his hand on a single pass.
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I don't think so but I could be totally wrong here. Miller has 74 sacks in his career; Collins has 12.5 sacks. I think that stat is driving how much money Miller received. That's all he does. I'm guessing Collins will be in the $10M-$12M range annually with a boat load guaranteed, but not $70M guaranteed. Hopefully we'll see soon enough. Miller's contract also has club options in the final two years. It could be smart to include this in Jamie's contract as well.
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Miller is also excellent in coverage. He is a complete player. He is not just a sack guy.
cfrs probably mentioned Miller's contract because it was reported that was what Collins was asking for while he was in NE.
He doesn't deserve that type of contract and I doubt the Browns would pay him anywhere near that number.
But, I have very little knowledge about salaries..........so, who knows?
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I really hope this is true, I would be very happy to keep Collins.
I also really hope they are not stupid enough to use the franchise tag on Pryor. He isn't worth that kinda money.
The only receiver we have had since the return worth using a franchise tag on was Josh Gordon...he was a "Game changer" and a "Big time playmaker" too bad he couldn't stay away from the dope...
Pryor is not that kinda playmaker, and comparable talent can be found in 2nd and 3rd rds of the draft....Pryor just looks decent because everything else is trash...he isn't even Kevin Johnson comparable talent, and he does nothing but run his mouth...Pacman shut him down against the bengals.
You offer him average #2 WR money, and if he refuses let him walk...no way he is wroth franchise tag type of money...
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He's broken a ton of stories. Who broke the story about Shanny wanting to leave? Who broke the story about the dissension between Farmer and Pet? Who broke the story about Williams being hired.
You guys don't like him because he bad-mouths the Browns. Plain and simple. I don't know if this is supposed to be funny? or not. Of course we don't like him if he bad months the Browns...Who would? Do you enjoy putting down our favorite Team? I don't.
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Good news when and if he's signed, sealed and delivered. It certainly won't hurt. And while I know some posters get hung up on how signing so-and-so affects the cap, I personally don't care.
I agree w/this for the most part. While there is some concern w/Collins because NE dumped him for next to nothing, the Browns desperately need talented players. At this point in time, I see this as a positive move by the FO. I do wonder why NE would let him go for almost nothing, but we can't keep creating holes by letting good players go. I'm encouraged that they were willing to spend the money to retain one of their own.
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Will you please quote someone else and misinterpret/belittle their posts?
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This is a must signing ... JMHO 
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Sorry dude. Just responding to your posts. I did not misinterpret anything. Carry on.
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Haslam has never been found guilty of anything and you constantly refer to him as a crook. You state it as a fact. Yet, it isn't a fact. Oh, I almost missed this gem. LOL...............Yep, Jimmy paid about $150 million because he was innocent. Give me a break! "Behind every great fortune lies a great crime." - Honore de Balzac P.S. Hope we get him signed! Lookin' good. We need Collins.
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THIS is a cornerstone, dawgs. Getting this done early would be exciting, and we hand him to Williams. Two rights won't make a wrong, I hope. Get this done.
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I'll be very pleased if we can retain him; retaining any talent we have is crucial. I'm also eager to see how he does in Williams' defensive scheme. There may be some ? re: attitude etc but simply put we can't not try and retain talent when we desperately need more, not less. We are not coming from a position of strength, beggars cannot be choosers,etc. The contract amount will be interesting but we have cap space-amundo. Glass half full and all that  Now get Pryor re-signed - I hope this marks the start of retaining our guys like Pryor, Pazstor, Colquitt, etc.
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I too am excited about this news. With JC, Garret if we draft him and some new guys in the secondary we could have the makings of quite a D.
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j/c = Very good news.
I expect we will overpay - but that is not a surprise, actually it's expected for a number of reasons. But this is a really great piece to plug into the 2017 defense.
Very happy.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Forgive me, I'm just getting back into here but it'd be great to lock him up. On a defense with not much eye candy, he stood out and was virtually one of the best players we have on the defense the moment the trade was official.
I'm worrisome though of the cost.
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Great to see you back bro
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Source: The impending extension for #Browns LB Jamie Collins will eclipse the per-year salary of #Panthers LB Luke Kuechly ($12.36M). https://twitter.com/RapSheet
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Source: The impending extension for #Browns LB Jamie Collins will eclipse the per-year salary of #Panthers LB Luke Kuechly ($12.36M). https://twitter.com/RapSheet Which it should. New year. Higher Cap. These guys are making out with the new CBA. Good for them. You guys worried about the money need to remember the Cap was less than 100M a few years ago. What seems like inflated numbers really isn't.
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Source: The impending extension for #Browns LB Jamie Collins will eclipse the per-year salary of #Panthers LB Luke Kuechly ($12.36M). https://twitter.com/RapSheet Who cares about the per year salary? The guarantees are what's important. If we give him the same guarantees as Kuechly then it's an overpay.
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Still super curious what the guaranteed money is.
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Source: The impending extension for #Browns LB Jamie Collins will eclipse the per-year salary of #Panthers LB Luke Kuechly ($12.36M). https://twitter.com/RapSheet Who cares about the per year salary? The guarantees are what's important. If we give him the same guarantees as Kuechly then it's an overpay. Says who? You? Attention Everyone. Our resident Cap Guru has spoken. GMAFB.
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Source: The impending extension for #Browns LB Jamie Collins will eclipse the per-year salary of #Panthers LB Luke Kuechly ($12.36M). https://twitter.com/RapSheet Who cares about the per year salary? The guarantees are what's important. If we give him the same guarantees as Kuechly then it's an overpay. Says who? You? What is fair pay to Collins to you? More than Kuechly?
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I don't give a rats ass how much we give him. Or anyone else for that matter.
We've got the space. We'll ALWAYS have the space so long as we don't go all Washington or Jax every year.
WTF is to say what anyone's worth?
Their worth whatever someone thinks their worth.
This OVERPAY BS just irks my ass.
If you're going to play the FA game, you're going to be spending big bucks. It is what it is.
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summary of Kuechly's deal, signed before last season: Luke Kuechly signed a 5 year, $61,801,565 contract with the Carolina Panthers, including a $19,000,000 signing bonus, $34,363,324 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,360,313. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/luke-kuechly-9819/
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FWIW... Kirksey, Bitonio, Greco are the relevant guys whose contracts are expiring after this upcoming season, not to mention guys who will play this year on RFA deals (Crowell, Gordon) or potentially tags (Pryor).
Wonder what Kirksey's agent is thinking right now.
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If you're going to play the FA game, you're going to be spending big bucks. It is what it is. Paying one player more than he is worth leads to paying other players more than they are worth. Jamie Collins is not a free agent, we are the only team that can negotiate with him. I expect Collins' annual average salary to be higher than any other middle linebacker/outside linebacker in a base 4-3, but his guarantees to be lower.
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Wonder what Kirksey's agent is thinking right now. "I wish I had a client as talented as Collins"
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Yep. The only way we're getting just about anyone in free agency is by overpaying.
Next up, overpaying Pryor as well.
Just do it.
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If Kirksey has the year he did again, while adding a few more sacks, he's gonna get paid as well.
IMO, he's legit. We need to keep him.
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