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Yo menZas .... he can't be transition tagged ... franchise tag is the only option ....
Why can't Pryor be transition tagged? We used that tag on Mack, but that contract has expired, and the tag expired with it, right? I thought that was the way it worked. Am I wrong? He can be tagged ... I'm an idiot ... was thinking of RFA vs FA not the tags ... oooops .... Sorry bout that ... im the menZa this time ...
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Alright, so if Benjamin is getting 6 million a year and 10 million is overpaying then...
Yea, anything other than the transition tag will be a surprise.
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I'd give him over 10 mil. Closer to 15 tbh.
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Can't sleep ... all I can think about is being great and creating a culture that's unstoppable! Possibly a deal is looming?
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Can't sleep ... all I can think about is being great and creating a culture that's unstoppable! Possibly a deal is looming? Browns have been trolling for sure. Think I saw a TP post on instagram a few days back, and I immediately thought they got a deal worked out. I read the post, and they just posted his jersey number. I'm like really??!! lol
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Dude is a straight up monster and never has played the position before.
We have to pay this dude. Of course not max WR money, but we damn sure can't be cheap, either.
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He has an attitude some times? Good.
The guy is an unpolished Josh Gordan type of WR that actually got humbled, and learned from it..
ReSign him, AND draft Mike Williams..
Try and cover that.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Terrelle is one of those guys that is always going to want to be great and work his ass off to get there.
Pay him. I think 9-10 Mill a year is fair. He has the ability to play WR, QB, RB, and TE and be successful at each. The guy is a playmaker plain and simple. The fact he accomplished what he did in his first year speaks volumes to me. He has an amazing ceiling still!
Why is this even a question and/or debate. Knight of Brown, you are insane. 2 Mill a year? Freakin Dwayne Bowe made 9 Mill guaranteed for us 2 years ago!!
Pay him, Sign him. Get it done. Shouldn't even be a discussion.
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I agree, kash. He was a good player for us on a crappy offence, losing him is a step backward IMO.
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He's not performed at that level...
over a number of years.
What did Benji do before last year? Pryor has way more potential than Benji had/has. They should keep Pryor. They should have kept Travis Benjamin. As for the title of this thread. Why is this question even being asked.
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Pryor is a beast with a very high ceiling. He is only going to get better. If we had decent QB play, the sky would be the limit with him.
He is a #1 receiver already, pay him like one.
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He has an attitude some times? Good.
The guy is an unpolished Josh Gordan type of WR that actually got humbled, and learned from it..
ReSign him, AND draft Mike Williams..
Try and cover that. I'm very open to Williams WR Clemson at 12. Everyone is clamoring for defense at 1&12. Wouldn't surprise me if Williams is BPA at 12. Get me a QB with an ARM (Garoppolo). And Pryor, Williams and Coleman is a stacked WR trio. Throw Switzer in there too.
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He has an attitude some times? Good.
The guy is an unpolished Josh Gordan type of WR that actually got humbled, and learned from it..
ReSign him, AND draft Mike Williams..
Try and cover that. I'm very open to Williams WR Clemson at 12. Everyone is clamoring for defense at 1&12. Wouldn't surprise me if Williams is BPA at 12. Get me a QB with an ARM (Garoppolo). And Pryor, Williams and Coleman is a stacked WR trio. Throw Switzer in there too. I'm all for drafting BPA - but I doubt that WR would be a good fit at #12. jmho - but there are SO many holes to fill on the D that you have to fix that side of the ball before going for the luxury of a 3rd stud WR (yes that's assuming Coleman bounces back which is what I expect him to do). . . . There has to be a real possibility that Haden is either gone, or he's on the decline and isn't going to play any better than he did this last year. We need two safeties and at least one CB ... as starters. At #12 - we're either going to get super lucky and have Hooker or Adams fall to us if the QB's start to really rise and 2 or maybe even 3 are taken in the top 10. (9ers, Jets, Bears, Buffalo all have to be looking). And if those two are gone I'd take one of the many very talented CB's this year ahead of Williams. I'd also take Rueben Foster ahead of WR.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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I'm very open to Williams WR Clemson at 12. Yep. We don't even need to draft a defensive player this year. All of our issues are fixed because we fired Horton and a handful of defensive assistants and replaced them w/the great Gregg Williams, his son, and some of his friends. We are going to kick butt on defense now, dawg!!!!
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Lol.
Didn't our Offense SUCK as much as the Defense?
Adding another WEAPON for Garoppolo lol is a good idea.
Hopefully we slam the Defense in Fa and grab Garrett without hesitation.
DT--Easley or Hawkins
CB--Bouye, Johnson, Gilmore
S--Jefferson, MacDonald
ALL realistic possibilities.
It's a mistake to ignore the Offense.
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I was just playing, Whip. 
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NRTU,
I don't mind Pryor's 'tude. I can look past it because I'm glad we have people that play mad, especially when things aren't going well. He also has the confidence to keep the attitude, even after a 1 win season.
It wasn't that long ago when we were sick of having a bunch of spineless, no talent choir boys for our roster.
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There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Good deal: 7.5 million to 8 million a year. This puts him at the same level as some good WRs like Doug Baldwin, Tavon Austin, Keenan Allen. Good WRs but not elite.
Overpay: Over $10 million. The top 10 receivers in the league start at $11 mil/year. Pryor ain't quite top 10 material.
What I think will get done: Probably 9 million, 3 or 4 years. High guaranteed money.
I say 4 years, $36 million, $18 million guaranteed. He makes good money now but not true elite money and he's still inline to get another payday while he's still a productive receiver.
For the record, he made $1.6 million this year...so KOB's idea of a 2 mill a year deal is just that much more laughable.
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My biggest thing is we need to pay him NOW. It's a gamble but I am perfectly ok with a big time contract because if he has an even better season in 17 on a tag his shark of an agent will murder us in negotiations and likely lose him.
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j/c Spotrac came up with the expected value of Terrell Pryor. 4 years, $37.69 Million Avg. Annual= $9.4 Million Does not get into guaranteed money. I wonder how close it'll be to this figure. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/terrelle-pryor-8570/market-value/
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I was thinking 10 to 11 mill with 20 guaranteed if a 4 year deal.
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Just chiming in this thread... but IMO - give the kid 10-11 million a year and make the guaranteed something that'll keep his attitude exactly where it was at last year.
I stopped listening to the pressers there midseason (because we sucked so bad, being real...) but he was always professional and just was so hungry, it spoke through his body language and words clearly and transparently.
Plus he's been at the position how long? The upside is strong with this one! (Star Wars, ah thank you)
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Agreed dawg. I'd like to throw a really high total at him. All the experts are saying he'd be foolish to sign after only one year and his arrow pointing up so much. Maybe if we thew a large enough total with escalators at him we could land him before he plays another year. It's risky I suppose but it seems pretty unlikely he doesn't do even better next year.
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I think he will get somewhere slightly above or around Crabtrees contract (4/$32) only reason I state above because the market gets richer each year...
And someone mentioned how Pryor reminds them of Josh Gordon minus the off the field baggage...couldnt agree more big tall big bodied WR with fast legs given their size. And just think his route running, understanding, seperation, and his hands all should get better this year as he's still under that learning curve.
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I was thinking 10 to 11 mill with 20 guaranteed if a 4 year deal. I'll bet this is close, maybe a little higher on the guarntee. If he gets this I think he should be celebrating. I think this is more than fair. Then, we could expect some sort of loyalty. Hue put himself out on this one. Pryor isn't probably gonna get much more than that (unless Jax, or someone like them, wants to knife us again). Pryor will have went from a wide receiver candidate who wasn't expected to make the team to a 10 million dollar a year guy in 5 months.
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If the figures I looked at are right, the franchise tag for a WR is $15.7 mil. That is his value.
I believe Pryor is going to bet on himself and make the team tag him. Why wouldn't he? If I was his agent, that would be my position.
Once that happens, teams can't talk about possibly getting injured. The kid already won a nice lottery pot. Eight or so mil after taxes can last nearly anybody with half a brain the rest of their life, and that assumes the guy. never works at anything again.
He is going to take the tag, and then see where his value goes from there. Why sign for 12 mil a year over 4 years when you can take near 15 mil this year and sign for 13 a year over 4 years next year?
Sign now for 12 a year, you gross 48 mil over the contract. Take the tag at 15, then sign for 4 years at 13 mil nets you 67 mil over the contract plus the tag year.
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Hence why I'm very happy we signed collins. With Pryor agent being the shark it's very likely that's exactly what will happen
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Hence why I'm very happy we signed collins. With Pryor agent being the shark it's very likely that's exactly what will happen His agent should be a shark. Players pay good money for soild representation at the table. If, God fobid, you had to stand trial for something, would you want a good lawyer who knew what s/he was doing, or someone who had never been in a courtroom? Players pay agents to do a job. The job is to get the best deal possible. That is the agents charge, and most of them do a pretty good job in doing that. Look at it this way. Teams go in with 2-3 owner agents. Players, at 25 years old aren't skilled in contracts, etc. They have to focus on what they do and let their lawyer focus on what they do. Look at Ricky Williams. He went with some rapper buddy and ended up with possibly the worst player contract ever signed by a top pick.
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I agree let them fight for their money. I mean it's their body on the line after all. I just don't want to lose a good player due to an agent having a ridiculous demands for a contract.
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I agree let them fight for their money. I mean it's their body on the line after all. I just don't want to lose a good player due to an agent having a ridiculous demands for a contract. The agent and player know they can make $15 MIL this season and then go from there. To me, $15 mil is insurance enough to pick up talks next year. Based on most comments, you don't think his value will only escalate? I do. We are in a no barganing position with Pryor. His agent holds a straight flush on the draw.
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Oh I don't disagree. I meant his agent is THE SHARK not a shark. Drew Rosenhaus. Guy is an ass but he's the best in the biz
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The player and his agent should try to get every cent they can. There is no loyalty from the owners. They are the true "asses," to use your description.
Guys like Ronnie Lott, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Tim Brown, etc have been cut by teams they played their hearts out for. Freaking Lott cut part of his finger off so he wouldn't miss any games. He still got cut when the 49ers didn't think he was worth the price they were paying him.
Not getting on you, just telling it the way I see and a bit irritated at reading all the dumb ass posts on this forum.
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Oh I don't disagree. I meant his agent is THE SHARK not a shark. Drew Rosenhaus. Guy is an ass but he's the best in the biz Not sure why you call him a ass? As you said, he is as good as it gets. Do you know him?
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I've just seen a lot of him.
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If the figures I looked at are right, the franchise tag for a WR is $15.7 mil. That is his value.
I believe Pryor is going to bet on himself and make the team tag him. Why wouldn't he? If I was his agent, that would be my position.
Once that happens, teams can't talk about possibly getting injured. The kid already won a nice lottery pot. Eight or so mil after taxes can last nearly anybody with half a brain the rest of their life, and that assumes the guy. never works at anything again.
He is going to take the tag, and then see where his value goes from there. Why sign for 12 mil a year over 4 years when you can take near 15 mil this year and sign for 13 a year over 4 years next year?
Sign now for 12 a year, you gross 48 mil over the contract. Take the tag at 15, then sign for 4 years at 13 mil nets you 67 mil over the contract plus the tag year. I'll play devil's advocate. He signs the tag, has an average first half of the season and tears his ACL or Achilles. He get $15m for his tag and the best offer he gets in FA is 3 years, $15m. $48m over 4 years sounds better than $30m. Again, just devil's advocate. The question he needs to ask himself is which risk is he willing to take?
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That reasoning is exactly why I think the transition may be used. Even using the transition maybe no other team offers enough and we save a little this year. Or another teams offers him and we get him cheaper than we would potentially next year if he were to continue his accent. It allows us to force his hand. It's a win win. Either you get him cheaper for one year or force his hand into a contract thanks to another team.
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That reasoning is exactly why I think the transition may be used. Even using the transition maybe no other team offers enough and we save a little this year. Or another teams offers him and we get him cheaper than we would potentially next year if he were to continue his accent. It allows us to force his hand. It's a win win. Either you get him cheaper for one year or force his hand into a contract thanks to another team. All you STAT gurus? How many Yards after Catch YAC did Pryor have this year? There's a reason I ask.
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OK. 1.3 yards per target.
That's 2.45 per catch.
That seems pathetic on 77 catches.
That ranks 126th in the league. That IS PATHETIC.
TAG him and see what 2017 brings. DO NOT commit long term to this dude YET.
Saunders needs to hammer home to this guy to TURN UPFIELD after the catch. He constantly comes back after the catch.
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