DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Hiring Gregg Williams (according to LaCanfora)

I wouldn't read too much into it.
Not yet.

Seems a bit extreme, but in a way I get his point. I think that also means the players he coached. I don't think would include the north players.

And he is just one voice in the room, if he gets in the room a whole lot. I am sure coordinators have some say. Just not sure how much.

If I'm not mistaken, we had the most expensive defense in the league in 2015.

We stunk. We went in the opposite direction.

I hope that we go out and get a couple of really good veterans, to add to the young players we have. However, I don't want us to throw money at guys who are "just guys", like we did with players like Davis, and Bailey. I still find it to be inexcusable that we dumped Schwartz for Bailey.

Time to move on though. The front office just can't make these kinds of mistakes, though.

J/c re: Williams "not watching film"

The scouts have compiled data, charted games, visited schools etc....

You know what the scouts haven't done?

Coached the players for a week during practice and in a game.
Williams has looked the players in the eye. He's had his hands on them, gotten to know how they respond when challenged in a drill in a meeting. He knows if they are quick studies and can pick up his system. He knows how they respond to his style. He's put them through drills that can specifically highlight the skills and attributes he wants etc.......

I don't see how Williams actually coaching these prospects can be spun as anything other then a benefit?

I suppose you are talking about me, since I am the only one who is really talking about it.

The issue I have is that I never said I had a problem w/Williams "coaching these prospects." That was NOT my point at all. In fact, I think that is a BENEFIT.

My problem is that if he is going to have a say in drafting players, than I think he should be as well-informed as possible. I don't think that is too much to ask.

We have several posters who watch a ton of game tape of these players and we have one poster who has said he has analyzed every play that Myles Garrett has ever been a part of. None of the posters on this board get paid to do so, yet Williams won't watch any game tape?

I'd say that is a bit of a problem, no matter how it is spun.

I completely agree with you, while acknowledging that Williams has a lot more experience and has played this scenario through many times, and that I might be wrong about it.

Williams said he won't watch any more tape of the guys he coached at the Senior Bowl. How did you get from there to Myles Garrett?

Also, I want the coaches to give input to the Front Office. I'm not sure how much I want them focused on actually grading the players in the draft. I'd prefer they were focused on the team we have as much as possible.

If the scouts have similar grades on players, sure go to the coaches for preferences.

As long as everyone is on the same page as far as what to look for, I think letting the scouts scout and the coaches coach is the way to go.

Having the coaches spend on ton of time on players that won't end up on the team seems a less than optimal use of resources to me.

There is something to your argument, Vers, but I think there are other facets to look at as well.

Is it possible Williams was just lying?

Here is the actual quote:

I could be mistaken, but my understanding is that Williams was referring to the players he coached at the Senior Bowl when he said he didn't need to watch any tape. He went on to say something along the lines of he's seen what he needs to see.

I don't think he was referring to Garrett... But like I said, I may be incorrect about that.

Correct.

? AM I correct in my assumption that he wasn't speaking about Garrett and other players not at the Senior Bowl?

j/c:

I know he was just talking about guys at the Senior Bowl. I am the guy who posted the article. LOL

Y'all can spin this any way you want to, but I don't think I am wrong for wanting Williams to put in the extra work and actually watch game tape of those guys.

Or simply being dramatic?

It's possible. I mean if you don't wish to take him at his word.

Coaches lie all the time. Williams seems to be a bit of a braggart.

I understand lying to try to manipulate other teams into believing you are interested or not interested in certain players in the draft. I understand in trying to deceive other teams about your game plan. Just saying to won't study film on players for the draft? I see no strategy employed in making up such a thing. If you do, so be it.

I think he was trying to say, "I'm so good of a coach that after I put my hands on a player I don't need to watch his film."

I would be shocked to find out he was being serious when he said that.

You are correct in that he was speaking about Senior Bowl players only

Vers Quote:
We have several posters who watch a ton of game tape of these players and we have one poster who has said he has analyzed every play that Myles Garrett has ever been a part of.


vers...who are you talking about?

Who said that, "he has analyzed every play that Myles Garrett has ever been part of"..?

Who are you referring to?
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