and it's because i never heard about it. if it was passed in 2013 then i was still in the Army not paying attention to every little thing going on. that absolutely sucks, bro. sorry to hear about that.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Today Donald Trump becomes the 45th president of the United States. American voters rejected the devil they know so well — Hillary Clinton — for the devil they don’t. Why they did so, and how Trump prevailed, is the biggest political story of our age. But the rejection of progressive hubris, what Friedrich Hayek called the “fatal conceit” of those who would presume to plan our lives, is at the heart of that story.
The Left views Trump’s election as an absolute calamity, despite his support for unions and protectionist trade policies, despite his identity as a New York elite rather than some despised red state politician, and despite his ambivalence toward the social issues that animate Christian conservatives. One would think Democrats would be relieved not to suffer an ideologue like Santorum or Cruz in the White House. Yet their hysteria and lack of self-awareness prompt them to attack the Electoral College, of all things.
Progressives bear direct responsibility for Trump’s victory. They grossly miscalculated in nominating Mrs. Clinton, an avaricious and humorless technocrat who utterly failed to engage ordinary people. They abandoned populist economic themes and union halls in favor of global trade deals. They stayed silent while the Obama administration spent two full terms at war. They excused Obama’s NSA scandals. They cheered the growth of an imperial presidency and an activist judiciary, both of which they are now shocked to imagine outside their control.
But worst of all, progressives have poisoned America with vicious identity politics and a deeply false narrative of racism, sexism, xenophobia, and privilege. How could a backlash not result? By demonizing history, religion, traditional families, and middle America, they deliberately politicized whole areas of life that should be off limits to government. Politics is war, but it is also sales.
Yet Trump represents no victory for conservatives. The political Right, despite installing an ostensible Republican in the White House and gaining seats in Congress, is in ideological tatters. It has no coherent ideology of individualism, capitalism, and opportunity to counter the progressive narrative of dependency and victimhood. Republican identity lies simply in being less progressive than progressives, in merely wanting to engineer society toward different ends. The GOP long ago forfeited any claim to limited government or constitutionalism, as demonstrated by the disastrous debt-fueled presidency of George W. Bush. Republicans remain deeply committed to interventionism and nation-building, a foreign policy doctrine that originated with leftwing radicals. They refuse to address entitlements, either structurally or in the more important sense of rejecting government’s role in healthcare and retirement. Most importantly, conservatives forfeited the wider culture: progressives now dominate academia, media, literature, performing arts, philanthropy, churches, synagogues, and boardrooms across America.
So what can Trump actually do, in the face of this political and cultural stalemate? That’s the wrong question. What matters is what he can undo, or at least avoid doing. The last thing we need is more laws, New Deals, or Contracts with America. What we do need is less political control of society, meaning less state involvement in the economic, cultural, and social issues of the day. Can Trump possibly choose forbearance over action, at least in a few key areas?
Let us offer three suggestions.
First, Trump should stand by his pledge to pursue an “America first” foreign policy. Both the Left and Right oppose this, which suggests it’s a very good idea. Voters plainly want an end to our intractable conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they don’t want another dollar or drop of blood expended to install western democracy in the sectarian Middle East. Trump must resolve to stay out of Syria, stop the saber rattling toward Iran, and reject the crazed calls for resurrecting a Cold War with Russia. He must refuse to normalize constant war as an acceptable feature of American life. By trusting his deal-making nature and refusing to start — or intensify — another conflict, Trump could shock the world by actually presenting a kinder, gentler America.
Second, Trump should get serious about the Federal Reserve. By purchasing Treasury debt, the Fed is the shabby enabler of a deficit-addicted Congress. Interest rates are too low, savers (especially seniors) are suffering, and business malinvestment is once again creating bubbles throughout the economy. Interviewing John Allison — the former BB&T executive who understands sound money — for vice-chair of the Fed was a good sign that Trump understands this (nominating former Goldman Sachs insider Steven Mnuchin for Treasury Secretary, however, was tone deaf). The Fed is the biggest source of cronyism in the economy, and thus anti-Fed populism is both good policy and good politics. It’s time to dispel the myth that monetary policy can make us richer. For starters, Trump should pressure Congress to pass Senator Rand Paul’s Audit the Fed bill.
Finally, Trump should use his platform to continue attacking the illiberal code of political correctness. PC is not just another social issue, like abortion or marriage. It underlies all other issues, because it attempts to frame how we think and speak. The conscious manipulation of language is inherently authoritarian, and Trump’s reflexive disdain for PC comes from his better angels. Trump’s twitter feed can serve him well here.
Good question. We will see how that goes. We've drowned down Iraq, turned Afghanistan into a version of Kuwait, where you can volunteer to get stationed there now ( I'm torn on that but whatever, soldiers like it).
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
In other news, Kellyanne Conway stated that Trump won't be releasing his tax returns.
That's a big deal. As he promised he would. And that makes his already shady ass administration look even shadier.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Let's see what their plan of action is, or if they are gonna continue going to war with the media over how many people were at the inauguration lol.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I want to creat a radio station just so I can make people upset.
Opposite version of Rush Limbaugh
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I need conservatives to explain to me what "alternative facts" are. Cause that sounds like some chain email nonsense.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
And bro, they already got the #spicerfacts going on twitter. Man...it's brutal lol
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It's going to be interesting to see how they (congress, administration) approach NAFTA and TPP in the upcoming weeks.
I know I'm probably the only person on this board who isn't anti-globalization, so I'm sure I'll catch heat from everybody in the future threads, so i look forward to these discussions.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
75 months of job growth, 3.2% economic growth last quarter, 4.8% unemployment rate
Swish, in the spirit of friendly debate, 75 months of job growth does not mean much when you spent nearly 10 trillion dollars to create about 9.1 million jobs
The amount of jobs created with 10 trillion dollars should be around 27-32 million jobs.
The Jobs created by Obama are a net loss, a HUGE loss...a loss that would fire any CEO of any company on the planet.
It will take over 100 years for those 9 million jobs to pay for 10 trillion he spent, most of those jobs won't last 4 years.
when its all set and done, the US taxpayer will be on the hook for a little over 8 trillion dollars for those 9.1 million jobs Obama created, that over half of them won't last more then 6-8 years.
i'd totally call that success from a cost to benefit perspective.....
dude, we started off in a recession. the only way to get out of a recession is to spend your way out.
and that's what happened. you have to spend money to make money. i know that all too well right now.
and net loss? sorry but we're never gonna see eye to eye on this.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Anybody not agree with America First? Didn't think so.
Anybody not agree with the comment about government is there to serve the people? Didn't think so.
Anybody disagree with his comments about politicians being all talk and complaining, but not doing anything about it? Didn't think so.
Daman.....Persident Trump just swung the working class American to the Republican party. He also swung the Republican party to a more Democratic mode of doing business.
America First.
About time.
Well, if you actually believe all of his BS, then yeah. lol
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I agree with you DC. Border security, creating jobs, and reducing national debt are by far his highest goals.
How the hell is he going to reduce the debt? Especially when you have war hawks like McCain wanting to spend an addition 400 billion on the military.
It's just strange to me. When people bring up free education, the response is "who's going to pay for it?" However, why is that never brought up when the right wants to spend asinine amounts on the military? Stop spending on the military and make other countries spend to protect themselves.
Are we trying to become like Russia and North Korea where we live like hermits stockings up weapons while the rest of the country falls apart?
Maybe he's planning on reducing the debt by sustaining this 2-2.5% growth rate that we have enjoyed?
As for the military, I 100% agree with you. With the technology we have, we should be directing our efforts at making it leaner and more efficient, not bigger. There will always be a need for "boots on the ground" though.
When a school system or some other entity complains about needing funding, the response is always, "Well look at all the money you waste." That doesn't apply to the military.. and sadly, if you dare question the military spending or suggest that they could do more with less, you are labeled unpatriotic and disrespectful of the troops.. and that label is almost as bad as being labeled a racist for derailing most political careers... so nobody wants to go out on the limb and question it.
So my soap has been preempted AGAIN by some stupid political new break. I am just sick of it.
I do not care what the press secretary has to say.
However Spicer is quite hilarious. He keeps telling off the press and guilt tripping them. Lol its pretty funny. I like that guy.
All we are gonna get out of Trump and his people are Alternative Facts.
If the press says that the sky is blue, we'll get "NO IT'S NOT" from the press secretary. Still having trouble with a press conference to call into question the number of people that showed up Friday in DC... Geez.
I can't allow myself to think any of that as funny.
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“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I agree with you Daman. I think the media blows but Trump needs to stop this daily feud with them and move on. They are going to be critical of him for next 4 years, best thing you can do is prove them wrong rather than fight with them about it.
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Still having trouble with a press conference to call into question the number of people that showed up Friday in DC... Geez.
Yea, really stupid way to start this whole thing off.. first, dems show up for those kinds of things more than reps do.. always have since I can remember.. what is the last major conservative event you can remember? It's just not something reps do well. Second, the first black President being inaugurated was a BIG DEAL and generated a ton of interest from people who had probably never even contemplated going to an inauguration before and probably never will again... Obama had a lot more people... big deal.
As far as the attendance goes - 2 things: 1. What time were the pictures taken of Trumps inaug. vs. what time were the pictures taken during O's inaug. And 2. Look at a picture of Hitler being inaugurated.
And, you have an extremely valid point: The first black president. And if I remember correctly, O's second inaug. was even MORE attended.
O's inauguration was a never before event in the history of the u.s.
I know the timing of the photos have been called into question and whether the Trump photo was taken at peak time or not.. I also know they are calling into question those white tarps people were standing on because it really highlights any available open space and those were not in place for either of Obama's events...
My point remains the same, he's the President, the media doesn't like him, Obama had more people... those 3 things aren't going to change so stomping around and complaining about it isn't going to help anything.
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump moved to pull the United States out of the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact Monday, dealing a quick blow to Barack Obama's legacy as the new chief executive began fulfilling campaign promises in his first full week in office.
"Great thing for the American worker that we just did," Trump said in brief remarks as he signed a notice in the Oval Office.
The president also signed memorandums freezing most federal government hiring, though he noted an exception for the military, and reinstating a ban on providing federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide information on the option. The regulation, known as the "Mexico City Policy," has been a political volleyball, instituted by Republican administrations and rescinded by Democratic ones since 1984.
Following a tumultuous first weekend in office — consumed by Trump's criticism of the media's inauguration coverage and his spokesman's angry, inaccurate tirade against journalists — the president was seeking to refocus on the sweeping, yet often vague, promises he made as a candidate. He campaigned as a fierce opponent of multilateral trade agreements, particularly the 12-nation Pacific Rim deal.
The deal was the cornerstone of Obama's attempt to counter China's influence in Asia. The Obama administration labored for years to finalize TPP. But Obama's own Democratic Party was skeptical of the pact, and the former president never sent it to Congress for ratification.
As Trump pressed forward with executive actions, a legal watchdog group filed a lawsuit alleging he is violating the so-called emoluments clause in the Constitution by allowing his business to accept payments from foreign governments. The liberal-funded watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics says the clause prohibits Trump from receiving money from diplomats for stays at his hotels or from foreign governments for leases of office space in his buildings.
Asked about the suit, Trump said it was "totally without merit."
The president was spending much of the day reaching out to lawmakers and others with a stake in his economic policies. Congressional leaders from both parties were attending an evening reception at the White House. The president was also scheduled to meet with union leaders and workers.
He began the day huddling with business leaders. He warned that he would impose a "substantial border tax" on companies that move their manufacturing out of the United States. He also promised tax advantages to companies that produce products domestically.
"All you have to do is stay," he said during a meeting in the White House's Roosevelt Room.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk and Marillyn Hewson of Lockheed Martin were among the executives who attended the meeting. The gathering kicked off a jam-packed day for the new president, including an evening reception with lawmakers from both parties and a sit-down with union leaders.
Trump ran for office pledging to overhaul U.S. trade policy, arguing that massive free-trade agreements have disadvantaged American workers. Since winning the White House, he's aggressively called out companies that have moved factories overseas, vowing to slap taxes on products they then try to sell in the U.S.
"Some people say that's not free trade, but we don't have free trade now," Trump said Monday.
The president also reiterated his campaign pledge to lower taxes for companies, as well as the middle class, "anywhere from 15 to 25 percent," although Trump has not been clear on how he intends to make up for the lost tax revenue. He also called for cutting 75 percent of federal regulations — and insisted that doing so would not compromise worker safety.
Monday's developments came after a first weekend in the White House that included Trump lambasting news organizations for correctly reporting on the size of the crowds at his inauguration and mass protests against his presidency on the following day.
Spokesman Sean Spicer was dispatched to the White House briefing room Saturday to reinforce the message, though his remarks included several inaccuracies, including a claim that floor coverings were used on the National Mall for the first time, accentuating empty spaces. Coverings were also used during Obama's 2013 inauguration.
In his first days in office, Trump has been reaching out to several world leaders, including a call Monday with Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi. On Sunday, the president spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who accepted an invitation to visit the White House in early February. The prime minister said he is hoping to forge a "common vision" with the newly inaugurated U.S. president that could include expanded Israeli settlement construction and a tougher policy toward Iran.
Trump also announced that he's set up meetings with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto, whose countries are partners with the U.S. in the North American Free Trade Agreement. Trump has vowed to renegotiate the terms of that pact.
"We're going to start some negotiations having to do with NAFTA," he said of his meeting with Pena Nieto.
Later in the week, he'll address congressional Republicans at their retreat in Philadelphia and meet with British Prime Minister Theresa May.
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Associated Press writers Jonathan Lemire and Lisa Lerer contributed to this report.
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well, this is what you guys wanted, so let's hope this doesn't bite us in the ass.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
dude, we started off in a recession. the only way to get out of a recession is to spend your way out.
and that's what happened. you have to spend money to make money. i know that all too well right now.
and net loss? sorry but we're never gonna see eye to eye on this.
A recession the government created....a largely Democrat Congress
You don't have to spend your way out of a recession. Of course John Maynard Keynes and those of the school of Keynesian economics would make you think so.
""There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."-John Maynard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace (1919)
Obama further crushed the American Dream, many are just too blinded by their bias and refuse to look at the HARD NUMBER FACTS OF DEBT to the 10's of Trillions we have to show for it that they will make up any rationalization or excuse to defend someone they have a vested interest in perceiving as a "great President"
George Bush Sr. SUCKEd as President Bill Clinton SUCKED as President George Bush Jr. SUCKED as President Barrack Obama SUCKED as President
All of them sucked...all of them left us a legacy debt we will never get out of, a poor crap economy, countless American men and women dead is useless wars and police actions, and a country with all our jobs farmed out to 3rd countries
This is the sad truth, im sorry so many people have a hard time face things...I know its uncomfortable...in the 60, 70's, and 80's 100% coverage Health insurance was common place, employer offered premiums were dirt cheap...My father never payed 1 red cent for either myself or my sisters births, hospital visits, any of that...took 2 Vacations a year...quality of life and standard of living was much better
Back then you could graduate high school in the morning, take a physical in the afternoon, and have a job in manufacturing in the evening...at the age of 18 (factoring in inflation) my dad was making 92,000 dollars a year fresh out of high school.
I just don't think you understand how much of a hole we are in.....We invented the Tv and we don't even make any here anymore, and those Presidents on my Suck list are responsible for it...its why all the factories and manufacturing is gone..
Look Obama did some good things for domestic American and Social stuff, but his Fiscal policy was absolutely horid, and his decisions threaten everyone Social Security retirement, and everything else...we will see how much you defend Obama when your 65 and got no Social Security, no Medicare, and too old or have too many medical issues to work to have any insurance, and the government has taxed the tar out of your IRA...we will see how much you like him then...
im sorry but if somone sucked, i'll tel them they suck....every President since Reagan has sucked big time...maybe Trump will change that, maybe he won't...i'll let you know in 4-8 years if he ends up as #5 on my Presidents that suck list...
is that why when Reagan slashed the taxes, he had to raise them back up before he completely screwed everything up?
i know talking bad about Republican Jesus on this board is blasphemy, but he wasn't great, either.
i'm glad you know what the Keynesian economic model is. it makes this discussion that much more fun.
so going off of that, then maybe you can explain why we've gotten out of every recession through government spending? increasing the spending in infrastructure, science, and other industries has helped us push forward out of difficult economic times.
even your boy Reagan understood that, which is why he also increased government spending.
facts. they suck, don't they.
the recession was due to out of control corporations, stupid people taking mortgage loans out they had no business taking.
oh yea, and two damn wars at the same time. which was started by Republicans, if we're gonna continue to play the blame game. do you realize how much those wars cost? we're gonna be paying for those for a while.
you're blaming obama for SS and medicaid? those programs were already a trainwreck, obama did what he could to stop the bleeding. but the reality is that those programs needed reform way before anybody knew who obama was. you're putting a whole bunch of blame on somebody who wasn't even born when those programs were created.
you're talking about back in the day, but we aren't back in the day. we haven't been since the transition of being a manufacturing based economy into a service based one started in the 70's.
let me repeat that again,
you're talking about back in the day, but we aren't back in the day. we haven't been since the transition of being a manufacturing based economy into a service based one started in the 70's.
and as such, the game has evolved. and you have to evolve with it. this is the consequence of using our version of capitalism. this was inevitable, you do understand this. right?
the same thing is gonna happen to China once they complete the transition of building a middle class, something they are currently doing, and as such, their GDP growth will also slow down.
the American dream has been a farce for decades now. to pin that on obama is reckless on your part.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
A look at 10 of the key promises Trump made for his first day as president:
—Introduce a constitutional amendment for congressional term limits.
—Freeze hiring for the federal government to reduce payrolls, although the military, public safety and public health agencies would be exempt. Check!!
—Ban White House and congressional officials from becoming lobbyists for five years after they leave the government.
—Announce plans to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement with Canada and Mexico or withdraw from the deal. (already being discussed publicly)
—Formally withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Check!!
—Lift restrictions on mining coal and drilling for oil and natural gas.
—Remove any Obama-era roadblocks to energy projects such as the Keystone XL pipeline.
—Cancel U.S. payments to U.N. climate change programs and redirect the money to U.S. water and environmental infrastructure.
—Stop all federal funding to "sanctuary cities," places where local officials don't arrest or detain immigrants living in the country illegally for federal authorities.
—Suspend immigration from regions associated with terrorism where vetting is difficult.
thats what yall voted for. so i'm glad that he's at least knocking out some of his promises to you guys.
i hope you understand my point, though, when i say let's hope this is the correct thing to do, and not the wrong one. time will tell.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
you boy couldn't have found a better press secretary though?
this dude is trash.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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