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bringing your AR 15 to chipotle cause youre too scared to walk outside without being strapped is the reason it will never be.

How many times have you personally witnessed a civilian carry around a long gun, in the United States, in their day to day lives?

I have never witnessed that. I've seen the often-shared exceptions on social media, though.

A lot. I personally saw it all the time when I was stationed in Oklahoma. Texas and other states in the south/southwest you see it on a fairly regular basis.

And it's just not rifles, even though I fully expected you to latch on to that part of the comment.

So, in places you've seen open carry, was it legal?

And really, what is "a lot"? Open carry in Ohio is legal and has been for as long as I've paid any attention to it, and aside from hunters, in the woods/fields, I myself have never seen anyone open carrying.

Oops, I take that back. I have seen some in the mountains of W.V. open carrying - when they were, you know, up in the mountains, 4 wheeling, on trails that take you from no where to a new no where.

The comment about "....to scared to walk outside without being strapped..." what's that about?

My bro-in-law has both a 9mm & 40S&W Shield, though I think he sticks with the 9mm for his daily carry. The 9mm is decent to shoot, but I found the 40 to be way too snappy; it was not comfortable to shoot at all.

I'm currently looking at Springfield's new XD MOD.2 4" Service Model in 45ACP for my own carry gun. It's not a sub-compact, but it should be ok for a 4 o'clock IWB carry. I almost always wear larger tshirts or if I'm out, an untucked dress shirt, so printing shouldn't be an issue (not that I particularly care all that much).

You made a comment about people bringing their AR-15 (wait for it... a rifle) to Chipotle. How else was I supposed to interpret that?

Did you see it among fellow military members or civilians? I assume you mean civilians otherwise you probably wouldn't have mentioned it, but whatever. Carrying around a rifle in one's day to day life is getting a little paranoid, sure. I still need to get more consistent in carrying around a small handgun before I start open carrying an AR-15 to the local Chipotle.

And IIRC, most everyone here if not everyone was rather critical of that kind of thing. I know I was becuase

1) it's private property and there for they have no Right to carry there if the owner doesn't allow it and

2) so much poor weapons handling... makes me cringe

Both. I clown my homeboys for doing the same thing on a regular basis.

At the end of the day, do whatever. I'm just looking through the thread of all the posters who have clowned liberals for being snowflakes or implying that we need safe spaces, while simultaneously needing a mobile safe space attached to their hip just to buy a foot long at subway.

It's hilarious.

C'mon dude.. you aren't seriously saying that people should leave their safety in the hands of cops when they go out in public do you? j/k

Good to see you back!

Glad to be chopping it up with you again.

I can understand the point of view in questioning why someone would want to carry a gun. I don't really get the connection re: snowflakes. That's a tenuous connection at best.

Anyway, I've tried to explain some of my thought processes throughout the thread. Some I feel are up for debate (e.g. I tend to favor small, light, easy to carry guns but you give up something in capacity and shootability for that) and others I don't think are very debatable (e.g. having a mindset that I'm a civilian, I try to avoid conflict, and carry just for the remote possibility that I may actually need it.)

I knew there would be comments along your lines when I made this thread. I was a bit hesitant to start this thread, not for that reason, but because I think people should be cautious of putting a lot of personal information online. That's especially true with something sensitive like this. That said, look.. there are over 600,000 active concealed carry permits in Ohio, and more than 10 million in the United States. This is not a secret anymore.

Millions of people do it. I think the positives of networking, of realizing that there are like-minded people out there who do this, far outweigh the negatives in regards to putting vague information out there or being questioned by somebody about why they feel the need (or desire) to carry a firearm. That's kind of where I'm at with this. Of course, there are likely many more out there who would prefer to just lurk and stay anonymous and that's obviously fine too. That's a judgement call we all have to make.

I have personally carried for 35 years and have needed it 5 times. I am happy to note, if not for concealed carry, I would not be posting this statement.

I think there's a time and place for it.

For example, early in the thread you made the example of walking around the downtown cleveland area at night.

While I have my own opinions on it, at the end of the day, I understand why people would want to be strapped in ANY downtown location late at night.

But it starts going into the paranoia and just downright being scared for no reason when we're talking about broad day light at a strip mall trying to buy something to eat or going grocery shopping.

That's just my opinion, anyway.

I know this much: if I lived in a city/state/ country where I felt I needed to walk around strapped 24/7, then I wouldn't be living in said location in the first place. But that's just how I view it.

One more thing about this and then I have to go:

The thing about safe spaces that makes them humorous is the way they are used on campuses is that they are safe spaces for words only. A safe space or safe zone, as interpreted more literally, would be something more along the lines of a space that is literally safe from physical violence and aggression. Ponder this for a while and maybe you can see why the comparison makes little sense.

I think - THINK, some of what swish was getting at is/was he's young, vibrant, strong, knows how to fight, macho, etc. Consequently, he doesn't feel the need to carry a gun. He'll let his fists do the talking.

That's all well and good.

Perhaps that's NOT what swish was getting at.

But, I see every day all these guys that used to be tough, macho, I'll take care of it with my fists types that, guess what? Got older. They can't physically take on an attacker anymore. And what about females?

I'm there with them. Not proud of it. And I don't carry on a regular basis, either.

I would never see the need to carry an AR-15 into a chipotle, though. In fact, I can only imagine a couple of reasons to carry a long gun anywhere. And, at this point in time, the only one that applies is hunting. And you don't hunt at Chipotle.

What if somebody lives in a bad location and they don't have the means to get out? What if they have a young family as well? (I would seriously reconsider my choice of firearms in that case, that's for sure)

I ponder this before posting.

And I still posted it. Why? Cause it makes a ton of sense.

You need a gun to make you feel safe in your personal space.

A safe space. If that's how you want to roll, then go right ahead, it is legal after all.

But just call it what it is. You need a safe bubble in order to buy a sandwich. Nothing wrong it.

Then do what most people do: grind your sss off to get out of that location.

That's actually what I did. I understand that's it's hard and sometimes impossible for certain people.

But in general, that's how I view it in a broad sense of things.

Here is sort of the fallacy of that...doesn't matter where you are at, all it takes is one person to be up to no good for the area not to be safe anymore. Most places you live, chances are there is a not so nice area not all that far away and you have knuckleheads no matter where you are.

And the chances are nothing is gonna happen to you in a decent area.

Let me make this clear: if you're strapped up at home, I'm all for it. I agree and encourage people to be like Rambo and have their house secure. Be on some spy stuff and have a 9 taped under the table for all I care. Have at it.

But I mean damn bro, you need to be strapped to go to Chuck E. Cheese and Dave N busters?

Correct the chances are nothing will happen and I sure hope nothing ever does happen. But there is a chance something will.

You do realize there isn't some magical formula to tell you when something might happen right? I mean, lets see I should only carry in scenario x because I know nothing will happen in scenario z.

Whats funny is you say you are 'all for it' but then you make condescending and over the top comments about 'some spy stuff and a 9 taped under the table'..so its rather obvious you aren't all for it.

Bottom line is I'm doing my best to be prepared just in case, I'm not doomsday prepping. If you saw me on the street at Chuck E Cheese or Dave N Busters you would have no idea I am carrying.

Make up your mind bro.. is it Chipotle or Subway? I never carry to Subway, but you can't trust those people at Chipotle.

What's condensending about taping a 9 under your table? I'm sure a ton of people do it. I said it because everyone I would probably do it too.

It's rather obvious you don't really get what my opinion is. Here's a tip: don't assume, you'll end up looking bad.

Awesome, you think you nobody notices you're carrying.

There's of course no way to verify that. I've seen plenty of people walk around and it's obvious as all hell theyre carrying.

Especially the guys with their hands around their waste looking nervous like they're expecting something to happen. Those kind of guys are the absolute worst, because they are more likely to shoot themselves or the wrong target before they hit the actual threat.....if there is any threat in the first place.

Again, you can do whatever you want, but with regards to carrying in public, that's my opinion on it. Some of you guys need a safety bubble just to go to McDonald's. It's funny, if not borderline pathetic.

Fine.

Chick fil-a

No need, Jesus protects Chick fil a.

And I'm thankful for that. Those chicken burgers with the natural lemonade.

Must come from heaven directly.

How do you think they make so much money? They give Jesus one chicken, he gives them 5,000 chicken sandwiches.

You're right I don't know your opinion other than what you are typing here. I'm not assuming anything, just deciphering what I am getting by what you are typing....which pings pong back and forth.

lol what is your opinion on it? Just that people that walk around looking nervous and touching their waste are the worst? I would agree with you there. Got it, so that clears up your stance completely.

pathetic? lol ok gotcha.

If you think I'm calling you pathetic, I'm not. I hope you didn't get that from the post.

I just think being strapped to go some food or something is way too much paranoia. And in a way, could potentially make it unsafe for people around the location.

If I notice some nervous train wreck out in about in broad daylight, I'm actually more concerned about his actions than I am about the potential of getting robbed.

I would agree with you. If someone is carrying, and they're all nervous and antsy.....some kind of red flag goes up.

But, if we're talking concealed carry, how do you know they're carrying? I can tell on occasion, but that's rare.

OK, misunderstanding then. And I kind of agree with you, I don't think everyone should carry because like you said someone who is nervous/paranoid/or an overzealous [censored] is no bueno. Take for example, my wife has her concealed permit, but she is nowhere near comfortable with a handgun yet so she doesn't carry.

I think the difference between us is I figure if I'm carrying its an all or nothing thing, I don't really see it as a pick and choose when to carry, I carry all day when I can. To your point though, lets say I don't have my holster on and I need to run and get some food, I'm not going to necessarily go put my holster on just for that...unless its McDs...that food is dangerous

I dunno about you other guys but for me it is not about where I am going it is about going out anywhere. Got my wallet, got my gun, off I go. No more thought than that.

Unless I will be drinking. Then the wallet stays home.

some of my boys call it the "oh crap is it still there?" stance.

basically some guys will place one hand on their hip in a way to check to make sure they still got their piece.

i think some of you guys know what i'm talking about. like your so use to it being there that you forget if you even have it on you. like your keys or something.

i'm terrible cause i do that crap with my glasses, even when its sitting on my face ( don't ask lol)

and its super obvious with guys who were tighter clothing.

food is dangerous for your stomach, sure.

but it's so good sometimes.

Agreed. If someone is a fearful chicken-little who is going to be nervous, that person should NOT be carrying, because they will likely be the one that screws up the most important decision: when NOT to shoot (the most likely scenario with whatshischeese that shot whatshisface in Florida).

I view carrying (which I don't even do, yet) the same way I view a seat belt. You don't plan to get in a crash, but you still put that seat belt on every time you drive - just in case. If you knew you were going to need the seat belt on a particular trip because you knew you were going to get in a crash, you wouldn't even go.

Carrying is the same way. If you know you're definitely going to need it, you Don't Go. Period. The thing is, you don't know when you might need it. The odds are greatly in your favor that you won't ever, but as someone that has been a victim of violent crime, I can tell you that things can most definitely happen.

As for malls, I think the folks up in the Twin Cities might have a slightly different thought on whether or not friendly CCW is a good thing there or not.



lastly, the "snowflake" comparison is semi-humorous snark, but it holds no water.

I only post this because it just happened to a close friend of mine. He lives about 33 miles south of Chicago in a nice suburban neighborhood (Mokena). The Subway he goes to about 3-4 times a week, and sometimes with his kids, was robbed at gun point during the lunch shift. From what I understand, the guys took the cash and the wallets of everyone. Now, he wasn't there that day, but he could have been. If a bad dude in a ski mask is screaming at you with a gun in your face, maybe you pull your wallet or maybe you pull the gun, but he carries for that choice. Subway's can be robbed too.

Stuff can go down anywhere. If you're allowed to carry in downtown at 2am, then you're allowed to carry at Pizza place at 2pm. I think most just carry because it's a habit and you don't necessarily know where the day will take you.

The group I run with tends to be a bit overprotective and paranoid, which isn't really me. They practice running with a fake kid in their arms during a gangbanger attack (even though all of them are suburban dads in their 40's) or what to do during a zombie apocalypse. But hey, it's their life, they can be overly prepared.

I get you though. There are times when I feel I should be carrying and there are times I'm doing it for "just in case". However, I passed the states training and application fees, so it's on me to choose.

i think location matters a ton.

the moment you said chicago is the moment i went "Chiraq".

so i feel you.

I've never been one to criticize people who don't carry or don't want to own a gun. When people ask me at work if I think they should get one, I always tell them that it's really a personal choice and they have to figure out if it's right for them and their family.

Having said that, I would like to point out that it takes a simple Google search and you can find plenty of people at plenty of places... ATM's, malls, diners, universities.... movie theaters, that all thought they were in a safe place. Heck, have you guys ever seen footage of these nut jobs who rush in to a police station guns blazing??


I personally wouldn't characterize your position as being based on machismo. I think people with our backgrounds have developed a keen ability to assess danger and people who are/may be potential threats. You bring up a good point about it being obvious some people are carrying concealed. No matter what I do or wear, when I look in a mirror it always looks obvious... to me. But then I know what I'm looking for. Most people don't and frankly aren't all that observant of their surroundings.

Being able to recognize these kinds of things as second nature make them obvious to us.

And that is one of the reason why we're moving out of the city next June. However, you can never move away from bad guys. It sucks.

damn bro i didnt think people were bold enough to run up in a police department and do that. yikes.

and you have a valid point. we already know what we're looking for. i guess it isn't as obvious to a soccer mom or something. so...word.