Not expert or GM like some on board, JMHO- character, yes, OSU, tats for money, penalties-several for showboating/"might" have been close calls, but cost us, Jets CB called him out and he produced nothing....lastly, he "NEEDS" a payday, once he has his millions will he keep working....people change, but not much- character, again, like I stated, he scares me....GO Browns!!!!
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I hope we sign TP who is a talent and can get better no doubt. But the longer this goes on the less I think we will sign him. Some have issues with his attitude and character and I don't know if it is justified or not. He is young and a good player who may be viewed as a team leader in the future. Some of his actions this past season are not indicative of a leader. JMO
Not expert or GM like some on board, JMHO- character, yes, OSU, tats for money, penalties-several for showboating/"might" have been close calls, but cost us, Jets CB called him out and he produced nothing....lastly, he "NEEDS" a payday, once he has his millions will he keep working....people change, but not much- character, again, like I stated, he scares me....GO Browns!!!!
God forbid we get a player with some intensity and cockiness. I don't understand this need for all choirboys. Compared to a lot of players in the NFL he is a choirboy, lol. The penalty he got for flipping the ball to the official that had his arms extended as if to say "throw me the ball" was absurd. That is the only penalty I can think of, which if you google it most (even non-Browns fans) said it was ridiculous. He has an extremely high ceiling. Pay the man, even if it is considered an "overpayment". People act like it's their money. It won't put us into any sort of cap issues. We need to keep talent. TP has talent.
Not expert or GM like some on board, JMHO- character, yes, OSU, tats for money, penalties-several for showboating/"might" have been close calls, but cost us, Jets CB called him out and he produced nothing....lastly, he "NEEDS" a payday, once he has his millions will he keep working....people change, but not much- character, again, like I stated, he scares me....GO Browns!!!!
God forbid we get a player with some intensity and cockiness. I don't understand this need for all choirboys. Compared to a lot of players in the NFL he is a choirboy, lol. The penalty he got for flipping the ball to the official that had his arms extended as if to say "throw me the ball" was absurd. That is the only penalty I can think of, which if you google it most (even non-Browns fans) said it was ridiculous. He has an extremely high ceiling. Pay the man, even if it is considered an "overpayment". People act like it's their money. It won't put us into any sort of cap issues. We need to keep talent. TP has talent.
We need to keep Pryor. If the FO is going to change the culture they must start to re-sign our developed talent and get rid of talent that does not work out.
Where would this team be going into this draft if Alex Mack was our center, Mitchell Schwartz our RT, Tashaun Gipson our FS, Travis Benjamin our WR, Buster Screen our CB, Jabaal Sheard our DE, TJ Ward our SS. I could go on but wow there would be a lot less holes to fill.
Keep our home grown developed talent and cut under achieving, un deserving players.
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As bad as Haden was...I'm pretty sure Revis was ranked even further off...Revis has age to blame...Haden is always hampered by some injury and has struggled keeping pace with WRs
Any WR can be taken out of the game with the right coverage. You can double a guy all game long and virtually make him non-existent. So the argument that he was shut down doesn't mean a whole lot. If he's drawing the apposing teams best corner or getting double coverage that means he's gaining respect from the apposing teams coaching staff. It should open things up for the other WRs and the running game. So I don't see how that's a bad thing.
Plus you guys are forgetting this was only his !st full season playing WR. Don't you think he's gonna get better and learn how to deal with different overages, and different corners? From what I've seen he is a player that truly does want to get better and will put in the effort.
It's funny, until last night, I really thought that Terrell Pryor would be worth top dollar for a WR. But then I watched Julio and Edleman during the superbowl and I now realize, I wasn't correct.
if he wants that kind of money, I think it actually might be wise to let him walk.
JMO
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Every player has a value that the market will bear. None of us really know what that value is at this point. And that's really where the debate lies.
You don't just right a blank check for any player with the possible exception being QB, LT or edge rusher.
I don't have any idea of the fair market value for Pryor but it makes sense that a team who believes they are only one play maker away from competing may be willing to pay more.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Plus you guys are forgetting this was only his !st full season playing WR. Don't you think he's gonna get better and learn how to deal with different overages, and different corners? From what I've seen he is a player that truly does want to get better and will put in the effort.
I doubt anyone is forgetting that.
He absolutey showed he was willing to put in the effort, say the right things, show the right attitude, and work to get better.
In his free agency year. Where he had no place to go with no options.
Hey, I want us to sign him.
But, you watch this stuff for a half century or so and certain trends can't be overlooked.
Please give us a guarantee that we will continue to see "Good Pryor" for the next four years.
I believe the board did a great job of hashing this out. Fair value: 14-20 guarantee, 4 years 32 million, easy out after 2 years. Above that is overpay, which, I think is OK. If we go way above that, then there must be something that Berea really sees that most of us aren't aware of.
+1, easily agree with what you wrote....TP ISN'T as young as the 7 WR we drafted last year, he isn't old, but not YOUNG either- he produced....I don't trust him like I'd trust say Nassib or Ogbah, baggage is baggage....GO Browns!!!!
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Very rarely do I write articles in the first person, but I felt that my personal experience with Terrelle Pryor warranted it in this case.
My first paid job in football was as the Assistant Recruiting Coordinator at the University of Pittsburgh. I was there for three seasons, all of which we went to a bowl game. We beat Philip Rivers and North Carolina State in the Tangerine Bowl, Steven Jackson’s Oregon State team in the Insight Bowl and we lost to Matt Schaub and Heath Miller’s Virginia squad in the Continental Tire Bowl in 2003.
That is just to give you a frame of reference with my time at Pitt. We had many future NFL players on those three Pitt teams. I was there for Antonio Bryant’s final season and both of Larry Fitzgerald’s years in college. But again, we were a strong program all and all under Walt Harris and put kids into the NFL with regularity as the Panthers still do today.
One of my main jobs while there was watching recruiting tape. Every day, a big bin of solicited and unsolicited VHS tapes (yes, I am old) showed up at the facility and I did my best, as a very young aspiring talent evaluator, to figure out what players we might be interested in, as well as sorting out the majority of youngsters coming out of high school that we didn’t think could help us win games.
I spent countless hours watching high school tape-some it is nearly impossible to see because the quality was just so awful. At that time, Pitt recruited all of Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio and down to Virginia on the East Coast. We had a major presence in Miami, a huge hotbed for talent, and during my last season with the Panthers we began to dip our toe into the Houston area, again, because it was just so incredibly rich with talent. Of course we recruited other areas (Fitzgerald grew up in Minnesota as you might know) but you get the idea.
Needless to say, I was fortunate enough to watch some simply outstanding young football players in those three years. Some of them ended up at Pitt like Fitzgerald, Joe Flacco and Darrelle Revis, but the majority of those recruits took their talent elsewhere. But again, I watched a LOT of big time 16- and 17-year-old players, many of whom went on to star in the NFL.
After Pitt, I followed JD Brookhart to Akron, where I served as his Director of Football Operations for about eight months and watched a lot of recruiting tape in that time as well. My stay with the Zips was a short one because after establishing a relationship with the nearby Browns, I quickly found out that Cleveland had an opening for a scout. I jumped on that opportunity and was lucky/skilled enough to get that job.
As has often been the case with that franchise, I was there during a year of great turmoil and my time in the NFL was a short one. I then moved back to Pittsburgh and scouted, wrote and did just about anything and everything for ESPN for the next 10 years. Shortly into my stint at ESPN, there was a young man coming out of Janette High School in my hometown of Pittsburgh that was considered the very top recruit in the country at the time. You guessed it: Pryor.
I made it a huge priority to get down to Pitt and watch Pryor’s tape. Being that shortly removed from the recruiting world, I absolutely had to see for myself if a player from my hometown was worth the extreme hype.
He was.
Not only was Pryor the best basketball player, something he sort of did on the side, in the city of Pittsburgh, but he was far and away the best high school football player in the city as well. In fact, Pryor was the best recruit I had ever watched. Yes, that is a mouthful. He was a full-grown man amongst boys at the high school level and was a jaw-dropping athlete. Pryor had it all.
Now in recruiting, there is a lot of prognosticating as to what a player will become. As you can figure out, young men that age are very far from done growing. A kid that looks like a tight end at say 6’ 5” 240 pounds, can get to college, redshirt, live in the weight room, eat steaks 24 hours a day and before long is your starting left tackle with good athletic tight end feet.
With Pryor at that age, you could see him playing close to any position he wanted in time. Of course he was intent on being a quarterback, but when I saw him, I thought he projected best to a twitched-up edge pass-rusher in the current Von Miller mold or a freak wide receiver like Calvin Johnson or possibly a move tight end that would create huge mismatches like say, Jimmy Graham. Pryor played the game hard, was a tough kid and could have handled the physicality of those positions if he had dedicated himself to it since day one.
Quarterbacking was a different story. He had a lot more work to do at that position to become a superstar than where I thought he should play on the field. Obviously Pryor went on to have an impressive career at Ohio State, but it wasn’t until about last year at this time did he finally dedicate himself to becoming a wide receiver full time with the Browns, who certainly needed help at the position and provided an opportunity that other teams might have not.
Pryor will turn 28 years old this summer and his contract in Cleveland is expiring. He caught 77 passes in 2016 for over 1,000 yards. There were five games in which he racked up 94 receiving yards or more.
The Browns now have to figure out not only what Pryor is worth, but if they should use the franchise tag on him or not. To me, knowing what I know about Pryor, it is an easy decision: they can’t let him leave the organization.
While he probably will never turn into Calvin Johnson, he is similarly gifted and his best days are ahead of him as a wide receiver. Cleveland has more cap space than they can possibly spend this year and have a multitude of needs. Locking up Pryor and pairing him with last year’s first-round pick, Corey Coleman, for the foreseeable future, could actually give this team one major area of strength to hang its hat on as well as making whoever the quarterback is in 2017’s job much easier.
As I have seen first hand, Pryor is a special talent. The Browns are the last organization in the NFL that can allow potentially special players to walk out the door.
Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reports the Browns will meet with impending free agent Terrelle Pryor's representation this week.
Pryor is represented by Drew Rosenhaus. La Canfora previously reported the Browns are "very likely" to place the franchise tag on Pryor if they cannot work out a long-term deal. Pryor has already said he wants to remain in Cleveland, so it will not be surprising if the two sides come to an agreement before the franchise tag deadline on March 1.
Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reports the Browns will meet with impending free agent Terrelle Pryor's representation this week.
Pryor is represented by Drew Rosenhaus. La Canfora previously reported the Browns are "very likely" to place the franchise tag on Pryor if they cannot work out a long-term deal. Pryor has already said he wants to remain in Cleveland, so it will not be surprising if the two sides come to an agreement before the franchise tag deadline on March 1.
+1, JMHO, he still scares me, he was hanging with Gordon-bad;he's got the tats scandal-bad...positives- he's married with kid/s? wants to provide for family-good; he's talented and has only one yr as receiver-good, some upside; seems to like Jackson and Cleveland- good; gets BIGGER money for first time....hope all his prior stuff doesn't return- stays away from Gordon, etc......GO Browns!!! PS- hope Mamma keeps him centered.
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I can't find specific evidence with a quick search, but I recall reading that in addition to working out together, they were hanging out together as well. At the time, I interpreted that as a good thing for Gordon rather than a bad thing for Pryor.
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I like Pryor. He works hard, very hard at improving himself and he has his priorities set straight. We need to keep him no matter what IMHO. There is only so much talent you can draft per year. We HAVE to start keeping our own talent from leaving after we develop them. I am sure Hue really wants to keep the fruit of his hard work in coaching him. I hope Hue can enjoy the fruits of his hard work by us keep TP.
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Trade him for a bunch. He shouldn't bend us over or use us as a chip. Cocky is OK, but he also is on the hook for some loyalty and karma points. Just not TP at any price. Pay him more with escalators and a solid guarantee. Show me upside and define your worth. Hype is a problem for me.
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It isn't the tats, its what he did, lost his OSU career, that whole ball of stuff, training with Gordon/ why not Fritz, and those guys were PROS....I like new article about Pryor and his relationship with Jackson, he's talented, BUT hope he stays on right path.....I like TALENTED chiorboys more than talented thugs.....GO Browns!!!!
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Looking at the performance numbers of those players who turned in similar performances in 2016, DeShean Jackson gained 1005 yds..he played for the Redskins last year and is now a free agent...his value is listed at 7.6 million per year. link
Pryor is 3 yrs younger and should only get better, so I could see a contract near 8-9 million per year, hopefully based on incentives figured into the contract.
Am I the only one that see's this? TP as a WR is worth what? 6-7 Mil a yr.? Why would we tag him at 15+ mil a yr.? I can't see ths FO paying that kind of $$ to him. If they are not wanting to pay him, say, 9-10 mil a yr. or his agent is turning down that same amount, then why would they want to pay him 15+ mil.? Just for one year? Please explain this
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Am I the only one that see's this? TP as a WR is worth what? 6-7 Mil a yr.? Why would we tag him at 15+ mil a yr.? I can't see ths FO paying that kind of $$ to him. If they are not wanting to pay him, say, 9-10 mil a yr. or his agent is turning down that same amount, then why would they want to pay him 15+ mil.? Just for one year? Please explain this
You pay a premium to have a player on a one year contract because you don't have to make the long term commitment.
I understand that. But, to me, that doesn't justify paying someone twice what your willing to pay even for 3-4 yrs. Maybe it's just me then.
Edit: Plus, I would say that the 15+ mil is also guaranteed? It still does not makes sense to me to refuse to pay the guy at say 10 mil a year for what? 3-4 yrs. with 20 mil guaranteed, at least your getting some years out of him.
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Edit: Plus, I would say that the 15+ mil is also guaranteed? It still does not makes sense to me to refuse to pay the guy at say 10 mil a year for what? 3-4 yrs. with 20 mil guaranteed, at least your getting some years out of him.
Just because a player is franchise tagged does not mean they can't sign an extension.
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