You do realize the number of refugee and immigrant crime from Muslims here in America is ridiculous low, right?
The facts don't support your fear mongering. At all.
Last edited by Swish; 01/29/1709:56 PM.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
If the immigrants go thru a proper vetted program and are found to have no terrorist ties and then apply to become an American citizen then fine let them in.
Shout out to the vets, cause you guys on here simply do NOT get it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
You do realize the number of refugee and immigrant crime from Muslims here in America is ridiculous low, right?
The facts don't support your fear mongering. At all.
If an immigrant is an illegal then 1 is too many. Especially to the victims. That person should have never been here to commit that crime.
Illegals? Now you're changing the subject from Muslims migrants to illegals now?
You have no argument.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
You do realize the number of refugee and immigrant crime from Muslims here in America is ridiculous low, right?
The facts don't support your fear mongering. At all.
If an immigrant is an illegal then 1 is too many. Especially to the victims. That person should have never been here to commit that crime.
Illegals? Now you're changing the subject from Muslims migrants to illegals now?
You have no argument.
I have the same argument and it is all I need. The winning argument. There is no problem for an immigrant to become an American citizen if they file the proper documents and are accepted. Anything else is wrong and illegal.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
Let's be honest fellas, other than the 9/11 attacks, every attack since, while perpetrated by an Islamic extremist was done by a person that was either born here, or had been here long enough to become a citizen, other than the San Bernardino attack. She was here on a fiance visa.
If we are being honest we will say the entire religion is built on hate.
I could not disagree more with you. This is completely irrational, xenophobic fear based on nonsense, disrespect and a lack of knowledge for what the true religion preaches.
Just like the extreme Christians in our own country who are horrible to people who live differently than them or who do not follow the bible as they interpret it....there is a far/extreme side of the religion that dominates the headlines. But, to say the entire 1.6 billion followers of the faith are hateful is totally wrong.
Let's be honest fellas, other than the 9/11 attacks, every attack since, while perpetrated by an Islamic extremist was done by a person that was either born here, or had been here long enough to become a citizen, other than the San Bernardino attack. She was here on a fiance visa.
If we are being honest we will say the entire religion is built on hate.
I could not disagree more with you. This is completely irrational, xenophobic fear based on nonsense, disrespect and a lack of knowledge for what the true religion preaches.
Just like the extreme Christians in our own country who are horrible to people who live differently than them or who do not follow the bible as they interpret it....there is a far/extreme side of the religion that dominates the headlines. But, to say the entire 1.6 billion followers of the faith are hateful is totally wrong.
Fact is Islam is a religion of terrorists and their entire religion is based off of hate for Israel. There may be some Christians who use their religion to push people around. But, how many Christian terror groups are there? How many Christian nations are at war? How many different christian denominations slaughter each other? I stand by my statement.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
You do realize the number of refugee and immigrant crime from Muslims here in America is ridiculous low, right?
The facts don't support your fear mongering. At all.
If an immigrant is an illegal then 1 is too many. Especially to the victims. That person should have never been here to commit that crime.
This sounds like hate to me.
I taught for years. Had dozens of illegals in my classrooms over the years. They were all Mexican, but the point is that they were illegals.
I can truthfully say that not one of them was a bad kid. I never had one problem w/any of their parents.
As a whole, they were honest, hard-working people who were searching for a better opportunity in a land that had plenty of resources.
How different is that than the white mother blankers that came here in the first place.
Are you going to compare what these illegals are doing to what the whites did to the Native Americans? Seriously?
I disapprove of bigoted opinions. And I ain't just talking to you. I am talking to all the bigots on that side of the fence. Freaking whites invaded a land that was not theirs, massacred a huge amount of people and sent most of the rest to live on reservations, where they have faced generational poverty, drug abuse, and alcoholism.
You will almost certainly dismiss my argument and that is fine, but I wanna leave you w/these one quick tidbit:
--I had a female student who I didn't realize was an illegal. I called her angel face. She was sweet, smart, polite, kind, and hard working. Her dad had a lawn care company and he worked his butt off. Her mother was a sweet woman who worked as a housekeeper. Angelina was such a great student, but she missed a lot of school. I questioned her about it one day and she started crying. She said the immigration officers would often sit outside their project housing development and her mom would not let her go to the school bus because of the fear of being grabbed by the immigration guys. I actually organized a group of "white" mothers to pick her up as part of a car pool each day. Angelina's attendance escalated and she actually was voted the Citizenship award for that particular year.
I have more stories, sir. Real stories. Not blind hatred that is based on stereotypes.
He's honestly not wrong. All of the Abrahamic religions are built on hate. Most primative societies can only build their villages and cultures off of exclusion and hate. It is much easier to define yourself by what you are not, than what you actually are. These religions are built entirely on the concept of controlling its followers.
America has always been a country that promoted itself as a haven for people who were escaping religious or political persecution. It is a shame that so many are willing to turn a blind eye to the morals and values that this country has always stood for.
Was it such a shame when Obama banned Iraqi immigrants for 6 months in 2011?
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
You do realize the number of refugee and immigrant crime from Muslims here in America is ridiculous low, right?
The facts don't support your fear mongering. At all.
If an immigrant is an illegal then 1 is too many. Especially to the victims. That person should have never been here to commit that crime.
This sounds like hate to me.
I taught for years. Had dozens of illegals in my classrooms over the years. They were all Mexican, but the point is that they were illegals.
I can truthfully say that not one of them was a bad kid. I never had one problem w/any of their parents.
As a whole, they were honest, hard-working people who were searching for a better opportunity in a land that had plenty of resources.
How different is that than the white mother blankers that came here in the first place.
Are you going to compare what these illegals are doing to what the whites did to the Native Americans? Seriously?
I disapprove of bigoted opinions. And I ain't just talking to you. I am talking to all the bigots on that side of the fence. Freaking whites invaded a land that was not theirs, massacred a huge amount of people and sent most of the rest to live on reservations, where they have faced generational poverty, drug abuse, and alcoholism.
You will almost certainly dismiss my argument and that is fine, but I wanna leave you w/these one quick tidbit:
--I had a female student who I didn't realize was an illegal. I called her angel face. She was sweet, smart, polite, kind, and hard working. Her dad had a lawn care company and he worked his butt off. Her mother was a sweet woman who worked as a housekeeper. Angelina was such a great student, but she missed a lot of school. I questioned her about it one day and she started crying. She said the immigration officers would often sit outside their project housing development and her mom would not let her go to the school bus because of the fear of being grabbed by the immigration guys. I actually organized a group of "white" mothers to pick her up as part of a car pool each day. Angelina's attendance escalated and she actually was voted the Citizenship award for that particular year.
I have more stories, sir. Real stories. Not blind hatred that is based on stereotypes.
That is a great story and I am glad you were able to spend time teaching that little girl. Man, I hope she went thru some proper channels and is an American citizen today.
The fact is for every good story like this you will find stories where immigrants and illegals commit real crimes in the United States and real people are getting hurt.
There is a right and wrong way to do things and as a country in this day and age it must be followed. I cannot justify what our forefathers did. But, I am sure glad they did what they did or we would not be here now.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
America has always been a country that promoted itself as a haven for people who were escaping religious or political persecution. It is a shame that so many are willing to turn a blind eye to the morals and values that this country has always stood for.
Was it such a shame when Obama banned Iraqi immigrants for 6 months in 2011?
Was it a ban? Or was this 6 month period, a period of time where a new set of vetting were being installed and having applicants go through that just took the 6 months? Could you please link a real news site when you answer this?
I cannot justify what our forefathers did. But, I am sure glad they did what they did or we would not be here now.
And that is kind of the bottom line, right? Maybe the parents of my little angel face didn't want to enter the country illegally, but their decision helped the ones they love and cherish and that made the risk worthwhile.
I have always felt that it's about opportunities. Think about the immigration thing that Swish spoke of earlier. I am an Italian American. My grandpops came to this country in search of better opportunities. In the old country, they used to say the streets in America were paved w/gold. LOL
The guy couldn't speak English. He didn't have a job lined up. He had nowhere to live.
Yet, he rode in the bottom of a boat w/rats and luggage as his companions. Why? In search of better opportunities, Dawg.
And that is what it is all about and has always been what it is about.
There are three main reasons for immigration:
1. To find better economic opportunities.
2. To escape political oppression.
3. To escape religious/social persecution.
And going back to my grandpapa and Angelina, can't you see the very human element of those who strive to find better opportunities for not just themselves, but more importantly, their loved ones?
America has always been a country that promoted itself as a haven for people who were escaping religious or political persecution. It is a shame that so many are willing to turn a blind eye to the morals and values that this country has always stood for.
Was it such a shame when Obama banned Iraqi immigrants for 6 months in 2011?
Was it a ban? Or was this 6 month period, a period of time where a new set of vetting were being installed and having applicants go through that just took the 6 months? Could you please link a real news site when you answer this?
I don't know. Seems to me this new "ban" is for 120 days. Until, you know, new vetting processes can be installed and such.
Was it a ban? Or was this 6 month period, a period of time where a new set of vetting were being installed and having applicants go through that just took the 6 months? Could you please link a real news site when you answer this?
I would think that when you "stop processing Iraqi refugees", it would constitute a ban. So, were you just as outraged when Obama banned Iraqis from entering the country?....or are you just going to look for subtle, meaningless differences so you can describe it as something else?
"As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets."
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
I turned on the News this morning to see the Propaganda Machine Media in full swing as they report on "Trumps Muslim Ban" which of course it is not. It bans ALL People from 7 countries considered high threats, regardless of Religion. There are 40 predominately Muslim countries not even on the list.
It is also a temporary ban until a new and better vetting system can begin. The Press seems to forget this too.
I do agree the ban should have more clearly stated Green Card holders were not included in the ban.
So, once again the poorly informed and emotional Liberal Left with the backing of their Hollywood heroes march in protest around the Nation. They step over homeless Americans on their way to defend foreigners against what they perceive as an unjust and bigoted policy. Until the next terrorist attack of course when they will cry, "Why? Where is Trump's promise to protect us!"
Life in America goes on however and the large turnout by the Silent Majority in the election is once again vindicated.
You do realize it's also a ton of republican politicians as well as a good portion of conservative voters also speaking out against this ridiculous nonsense, right?
Not even a week in, and Trump already has a massive L on his resume. The backlash against this executive order is bipartisan, homeboy.
You and others are truly the minority when it comes to this. This is absolutely disgusting. This isn't what America is about, this isn't what America stands for.
Your president as well as those supporting him have made our country worse because of this. Congrats for weakening our reputation around the world.
What's next. A Muslim registry like y'all l proposed last year? Trump deserves all the Hitler comparisons right now.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
This is nothing more then an administrative change people are getting all worked up over nothing.
Trump is doing nothing more then "evaluating the current system" and to make changes to that system. Fortune 500 companies do this every day they change various policy to make something work better.
When this is done the vetting system will work better and faster then it does now. It will be a boon to those coming in.
It wasn't Trump idea alone, the CIA, the Department of Homeland Security and the Pentagon all advised Trump to do this...the Joints Cheif of Staff...they all urged him to do this.
Soon as the vetting system is made better, things will go right back to the way they were.
These protesters better be careful, the police in this country are very very nervous due to the events of the last year and half of these groups killing them....all it will take is 1 moron to do something stupid and you will see a Tianmen Square blood bath...
You couldn't pay me enough money to protest, i'll glady die defending my country, but i won't risk myself over a meaningless administrative change to a vettting process.
soon as the 120 days is up, it will be right back to how it was. Also, Trump is not doing anything but enforcing laws currently on the books...executive orders can't do anything but enforce existing law.
I suggest going to your library one a week and asking for the Federla Register, and you can read these things word for word for yourself instead of trusting a bias media and bias politicians that only support something to help their re-election bid.
in BOTH of these Executive Orders there is NOTHING in them that violates anything, and infact all these orders do is instruct Federal Agencies to begin enforcing the current immigration laws on the books
The liberal media in this country is a cancer, im sorry but what they are reporting is flat out false...and these Democrat Congress men and women supporting this know it false...they helped vote and pass though the laws Trump is currently enforcing.
Bill Clinton gets cheered for the same things Trumnp is doing right now(Enforcing existing law)
109 people were detained and rechecked out of 325,000.
Senator Chuck Schumer breaks down in tears.
I have searched old videos and can not find even one tear shed by Schumer over the piles of dead Americans from the Florida and California terrorist attacks.
Washington (AFP) - Donald Trump's controversial senior adviser Steve Bannon will have a permanent seat at White House National Security Council (NSC) meetings, solidifying his role as one of the most powerful members of the president's inner circle.
In an executive memorandum signed on Saturday, Trump elevated Bannon, while downgrading the status of the Director of National Intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on the security council's principals committee.
The DNI and Joint Chiefs chairman now will only be present at meetings "where issues pertaining to their responsibilities and expertise are to be discussed," the memorandum said.
Bannon, 63, credited in large part with successfully orchestrating the billionaire's upset presidential election victory, led the Breitbart News website described as a haven for the "alt-right" anti-mainstream movement.
The site ignited controversy during the presidential campaign because of its alleged alignment with white supremacists, white nationalists and anti-Semites.
White House spokesman Sean Spicer said in an interview Sunday with ABC television that Bannon was part of "an unbelievable group of folks that are part of the NSC."
"The president gets plenty of information from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and gets briefed and what they've done is modernize the National Security Council, so it's less bureaucratic and more focused on providing the president with the intelligence he needs," Spicer said, explaining the shuffle.
Bannon, "is a former naval officer with a tremendous understanding of the world and the geopolitical landscape we have now," he said.
Spicer added: "Having the chief strategist for the president in those meetings who has a significant military background to help make, guide what the president's final analysis will be, is crucial."
Bannon had a blue-collar upbringing, but he quickly became part of the very establishment he rails against.
He began his career as a Goldman Sachs banker, then became a producer in Hollywood before taking over the Breitbart news platform. Bannon is currently on leave from Breitbart while working for Trump.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
And Jesus would've been banned from coming to America if he was alive today.
All well.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
INDIAN WELLS, Calif. (Reuters) - Billionaire industrialist Charles Koch is launching a campaign to sink a border tax under consideration by Republican leaders in Congress, a move that could complicate the lawmakers' efforts to find a way to pay for President Donald Trump's proposed wall on the U.S. border with Mexico.
Americans for Prosperity, a conservative political advocacy group founded by Charles Koch and his brother David, plans to use its network of wealthy political donors and activists to kill the proposal, which aims to raise $1.2 trillion over 10 years on goods coming into the United States, according to officials from the group, which gathered this weekend for a conference.
Republican House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan is pushing the tax as part of a broader overhaul of the U.S. tax code.
The White House has given mixed signals on whether Trump supports the approach, but proponents say revenue collected from the border tax could finance Trump's drive to build a wall along the southwestern U.S. border. Proponents also say it would discourage U.S. manufacturers from moving abroad.
On Thursday, AFP sent a letter expressing its opposition to the border tax to a House panel in charge of writing tax legislation.
AFP Chief Executive Officer Luke Hilgemann, in an interview, called the measure "a massive tax increase" on U.S. consumers, who would pay more for foreign goods. He urged Ryan to "go back to the drawing board."
AFP and its offshoot organizations have become a powerful force in U.S. politics, bolstering candidates and issues on federal and state levels.
Besides defying Republican leaders on the border tax, the Koch-led organization on Sunday challenged Trump on a policy he implemented on Friday to stop the movement of people from countries with large Muslim populations from traveling to the United States.
"The travel ban is the wrong approach and will likely be counterproductive," said an official of the Koch network.
Koch refused to endorse Trump during his presidential campaign, differing with the candidate over his positions on immigration and trade policy, and his practice of singling out companies for possible retribution if they move jobs abroad.
Nevertheless, Hilgemann said AFP had a "developing relationship" with the Trump White House, which he said had reached out to his organization to discuss some policy matters.
At the same time, former AFP officials have landed high-level jobs in the Trump administration, giving the group a conduit for airing its policy wishes.
Looking toward the 2018 congressional and gubernatorial elections, AFP officials said they planned to boost the network's spending on policy and political activities to between $300 million and $400 million, up from an estimated $250 million for the 2016 campaigns.
Hilgemann also said AFP was laying plans to mobilize activists to help win Senate confirmation of Trump's pick for the Supreme Court nominee. The White House said Trump was planning this week to announce his pick to replace the late Justice Antonin Scalia.
(Reporting By Richard Cowan; Editing by Lisa Von Ahn)
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
British parliament is debating on whether to cancel Trump's planned visit
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Not a problem. If the Brits want to cancel the American Presidents visit, he won't go. He can then focus on Nations that want to work with him.
I look at the basket cases of European Nations with all the uncontrolled immigration and terror attacks and would rather our President stays home and keeps America from becoming like them.
I cannot justify what our forefathers did. But, I am sure glad they did what they did or we would not be here now.
And that is kind of the bottom line, right? Maybe the parents of my little angel face didn't want to enter the country illegally, but their decision helped the ones they love and cherish and that made the risk worthwhile.
I have always felt that it's about opportunities. Think about the immigration thing that Swish spoke of earlier. I am an Italian American. My grandpops came to this country in search of better opportunities. In the old country, they used to say the streets in America were paved w/gold. LOL
The guy couldn't speak English. He didn't have a job lined up. He had nowhere to live.
Yet, he rode in the bottom of a boat w/rats and luggage as his companions. Why? In search of better opportunities, Dawg.
And that is what it is all about and has always been what it is about.
There are three main reasons for immigration:
1. To find better economic opportunities.
2. To escape political oppression.
3. To escape religious/social persecution.
And going back to my grandpapa and Angelina, can't you see the very human element of those who strive to find better opportunities for not just themselves, but more importantly, their loved ones?
No doubt there is a human element but in this day and age of terrorism we need to follow rules. This ban is for the protection of American citizens. I have no problem what so ever protecting our citizens first above the needs of others people. He was elected to be America's President not the President of the world.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
And Jesus would've been banned from coming to America if he was alive today.
All well.
And He would have been lambasted by liberals from coast to coast for saying that there is one God, and only 1 way to heaven ..... and that even lusting after a woman is adultery, they coveting your neighbors things is theft, that hating someone is murder, that marriage is one man and one women, becoming one flesh, for life, only .........and so forth.
The left would be begging for Him to be deported. (as would a lot of the other side, frankly, who would not like having their sins called sins)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
That sounds like conservatives right there, sorry about it.
Tell your people in the south that Jesus isn't white. Time to change the pictures in the church.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
