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LOL............until tomorrow when mac asks me the same damn question again and guys like Jester and tab play his game and say that I should answer him.

Oh man, that one is hilarious. I kinda remembered it, but I forgot about the "jerk" part.

I will answer your question from my point of view.

If we trade for G, I would not give him an Osweiler type contract right off the bat. I would let him play the year out on his current contract. Then if he earns it, I would sign him to a long term contract, realizing that this would be a few million more per year but accept that cost as protection from him failing to live up to what I expected.

If he is difficult to sign then franchise him.

Brock is not worth Brock money to me...

That is your problem. You want proof of things that can't be known for 2-3 years.



Maybe you can ask the tooth fairey?

For those who wanted to know particulars.

If we can't use draft picks to acquire players with small NFL sample sizes the draft is going to be really boring.

At first glance this is a "show me" one-year deal with most of the guaranteed money paid out in year 1. Does that seem right?

I like that the contract is heavy in year one....when we have the most money to spend.

Thank god, back on topic. Wtf guys?

This is a great deal for us. It's basically a one year contract worth $15.85 million. If Collins doesn't play well, we cut him before the guarantees kick in with little penalty.

(It can't be said enough that Collins signing also allows us to franchise Pryor, which is huge.)

Definitely can be a one year deal if we want to cut him (3.75m dead money if we do). Nice creative deal by the FO - made Collins happy and protected ourselves somewhat.

From a cap space perspective though, it is pretty even throughout, not year 1 heavy.

You ganna have him compete with RG3 and Kessler in TC too?

You might as well just say you don't want to trade for him.

You're right. I was referring to the guaranteed portion being heavy in yr 1. Should have been more clear.

No worries, just clarifying

Collins thread

So, this is a done deal?
Outstanding.

inb4lock

Dont'a Hightower: Collins' Patriot departure 'sucked'

The Patriots adjusted to the loss of linebacker Jamie Collins via trade, but I can't help but wonder if they will miss the versatile defender in a Super Bowl matchup against the Falcons, a team that can fluster offenses with their dual-threat running backs out of the backfield.

Dont'a Hightower told reporters Monday night that Collins was his favorite player in the NFL and gave his honest opinion about his feelings surrounding Collins' trade to Cleveland.

"It sucked," Hightower said, via WEEI. "It's part of the business and we've kind of moved on from it. Obviously he's doing a good job. He got his contract extended and everything. Everything is going well for him and I obviously wish him the best. We're here now."

This must be a conflicting time for Hightower, who is set to hit the free agent market this offseason. The Patriots have made a living jettisoning soon-to-be expired contracts but he is still here playing out the final weeks of his rookie deal. Coach Bill Belichick will almost undoubtedly make an offer, and it is a safe bet that it won't be as lucrative as the one that Collins received. The Patriots have let better players walk in the past.

Collins, who could not reach an amenable contract extension with the Patriots, saw his playing time dwindle before the deal went down. Hightower said the trade was responsible for a slight dip in play before a resounding rebound. The versatile scheme crafted by Belichick and defensive coordinator Matt Patricia is clearly bigger than one player.

"We had guys come in who didn't play, who hadn't done things like that on that kind of level," Hightower said. "Again, I think those guys did a hell of a job filling in and we had a rotation moving around with different defensive linemen and stuff."

Perhaps the only bonus in Collins' departure was that it made New England realize how valuable Hightower's presence truly is. He'll certainly have his hands full this weekend trying to do it without the player he believes is the best in the NFL.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...eparture-sucked

I wonder how people would react if we traded JC to another team for a conditional third rounder and he went on to get the numbers he did for another team and signed a four year contract to stay there

there go the browns , letting talent walk or getting hosed by another team......

yep. and if its a player who comes to the Browns, its they must really suck, the previous team must know something everyone else doesnt, blah blah blah.

Glad to see you posting again, tex. But, what numbers are you talking about?

These numbers?



Seems to me that there are many, many posters who make excuses for the Brown's mismanagement over the years than those who complain about it.

With all of that said.........I am glad they kept Collins. Not sure if it is a good move or not, but it at least shows they are willing to spend some money and are trying to improve the team.

That is a step in the right direction.

Defense
PLAYER..................total....solo.....asst.....sack....fumble
Christian Kirksey.......148......96.......52.......2.5.....0
Demario Davis............99......59.......40.......2.......1
Jamie Collins............69......48.......21.......2.......1

maybe he is not the best for pass defense. but he did make an impact in the 8 games he did play.

Look, the posts that both tex and Turk made have the tone that a lot of us unfairly bash the Browns. I think that is unfair and insulting.

The Browns have stunk for years. We are not wrong to point out their issues.

And how much of an "impact" did he make? How many sacks did he have? How many games did we win w/him?

Do you remember a guy who said things like "we only won 3 games with those guys, so how good can they be?" And, "We are fourth in the league in rushing, so how good was Alex Mack?"

I remember him.

Now...........I will say this again.............I think it is a positive that we kept Collins. I am giving the FO credit, but I don't like the unfair labels that were assigned to some of us. I try very hard to be objective and I find it insulting when people insinuate that some of us just bash the Browns w/out any grounds. That is simply not the case!

lol yes I remember him as well...I do agree it is a good thing we kept him. and it is a step in the right direction.

I think he did well coming in for half a season and being 3rd in tackles is not a bad way to start...

nothing wrong with pointing out mistakes...

just got back from a trip to alaska and wanted to jump in an talk some football

Cool. How was it? I always wanted to go to Alaska.

was a nightmare lol...took twice as long as it should have...with changing tires, then brakes...then protesters. lol I was in Juneau dropping my son off at his moms for the rest of the school year..and was in Juneau for less than two minutes before I was on the return flight home...but the kiddo loved it and was worth the trip to see him happy to see his mother. thanks for asking

Oh, sorry. I thought it was a vacation. My bad.

lol it's ok...just glad to be home and catch up on some sleep.

Pass defense certainly not his strength. And I say we overpaid some because of it. BUT we had to IMHO.

And I forget that one post gets extrapolated into an indictment of all those you have issues with the team

Nonetheless I stand by my general statement that if JC. Was a brown and we traded him fir a conditional pick and he provided those numbers. The board would have lit up. And you know what I probably would have been lighting a little fire myself

I belive a great percentage of posters agree this was a legit signing. That would indicate that if ft if the shoe was on the other foot the FO would have been painted as idiots, in that vein those panning this signing are doing so not for the signing per we but more as an opportunity to bash

Well within their rights but I don't have to agree