DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Fair Value Terrell Pryor

I'm not even an OSU fan and I always thought the tattoo thing was ridiculous.

It was their property. They bartered for something else.

And calling Pryor a thug is slightly ridiculous.

Ding, ding, ding. We need more games out of him to see if he continues to improve. Transition or Franchise him but don't give him a multi-year contract unless it isn't guaranteed because I don't think we all really know what we have with him as a LONG-TERM WR yet.

Maybe I'm not being clear. I'm saying why would we tag him and therefore have to pay him 15+ mil., if we are not willing to pay, say, 9-10 million a year? for 3-4 years? Now it may mean his agent refuses to talk about anything less than 12-14 million a year. I think the best thing that we could do is let him test the market and then offer him a contract that is a little above the highest he can get. We might have also already discussed this with him and his agent, telling them to go get the best deal out there and we would make it better.

I wouldn't let him test the market. Because then he can be gone like that.

I hate the transition tag. But that's the only way I'd let him enter FA.

If we can't agree to a deal before FA starts. He will be tagged.

Okay, I give up. I'll just say that I can ALMOST guarantee you that no Team is going to offer him anything close to 10 mil/yr.
He's just learning the position and even though he looks good, I don't think a Team out there will offer anything more than a 1 year show me contract and then maybe after that he gets paid. I don't know maybe I'm wrong.

It's not even about Pryor.

It's about the other FA WRs.

There aren't going to be many.

So he will get the best offers.

The cap money HAS to be spent so I feel like lets just do it.

No. It doesn't.

The franchise tag is not about the yearly salary, it is about wanting to keep a player on your team. You are getting hung up on the salary when that doesn't really matter (in this case).

But, if Pryor signs the franchise tag offer sheet and not an extension, having a player of his abilities and situation on a one year $15 million contract is actually a pretty good deal. You pay a premium for a shorter contract.

Actually it does or the team gets penalized. It doesn't have to ALL be spent but far more of it that what is currently being spend does.

1. Are we in danger of being penalized?
2. What is the penalty?

(No and the penalty is inconsequential.)

Here is a very good overview of the 89% cap floor spending rule:

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/3/9/81...9-cash-spending

Here is a look at where all the teams stand over the last four year period:



https://twitter.com/NFLPA/status/805867703466676224

70 mil over the limit.

Yeah, we are in deep trouble.

Sup Oakland.

Incentives or not, it is all about the guarantee. That is where it is at for players. Make that right and the yearly totals don't matter all that much.

As much as people wanna say we offered Mack and Schwartz "more money".

ATL and KC have them more garenteed.

That's, to a point, all that matters.

You can sign a 7 year, 70 million dollar contract, but if only 10 of it is garenteed you can get hurt after the first game and not see the rest of it.

what's he legitimately looking to get? probably 4-5 years and 40-55 million right?

I think you mistook us for the Bengals, but yeah, we are not in danger.

You are correct.

This kinda sums up being a Brown's fan. We are good w/being cheap because we won't be penalized for it.

This kid is a phenomenal athlete and a 100 yd reciever who did it with having 6 QBs or so throwing to him. Those saying he is not good are crazy IMO.

He is one of our best players...pay him and keep him.

I agree it shouldn't be all that hard. It's pretty easy to peg a dollar amount on the deal. You just have to hope that both sides are looking at value the same way.

I'd say the chances he signs fairly soon sit somewhere around 80% chance seeing as we want him and apparently he wants to stay. Those two factors usually lead to a middle ground.

No doubt about value? I think that's the biggest issue here. The guy has one successful year as a WR in the league in a contract year. His value to the team is important, but his value contractually is definitely in up in the air, IMO. That's why I think if nothing gets done, a transition tag makes the most sense. Let the market determine value, and if the Browns agree, match it. They have the money to match essentially anything they think is fair. A tag (of any variety) can also buy both parties more time to negotiate during FA, if necessary.

His camp will argue upside. The Browns will argue small sample size. Both have legitimate points. I want him to stay but I think this is actually a pretty tough situation regarding dollar amount, not the decision to want to keep him or not. At a minimum, he'll be tagged and will be a Brown in 2017 is my guess.

It could work that way. That is why I think there is a 20% chance he won't reach a deal.

That said, I think the Browns also know his upside and won't try to downside things.

Last year, it was shown they made a good offer to Schwartz. I don't want to get in to that arguement, I am just pointing out the FO seems to know how to value players.

I think they will make a solid offer.

Just speculation:

I say those above stated numbers are about as high as the boys will want to go in negotiations. They may go to the mid 20's on guarantee, but I'd be surprised if they go to the high 20's. That is when Drew is given the tag and told best of luck.

Although I get the point about the 15 mil franchise tag, I think that is probably the last option, other than letting him walk, that they want to do. Terrell Pryor on a one year, 15 million dollar contract doesn't make me happy.

As we've said since the beginning of the thread, it looks like the transition tag. Lets hope Drew isn't getting the calls and responses he's hoping for.

If some nut franchise comes in with 30 mil or over guarantee, I think we will let him walk.

I think Hitt's concerns are rational and reasonable. I think CFRS's response to him was rational and reasonable.

Yeah, I wouldn't be all that surprised if another team came through with a ridiculous offer to lure away TP. Teams have done crazy stuff for lesser-talented players. It's too easy to imagine a team seeing his physical talent, his performance this year, and then extrapolating that out to something ridiculous given his passers and his potential for improvement.

Personally, I think he's in a weird grey area between bonafide #1 WR and complementary target. I would be really happy if the FO and TP could agree on a contract that gives him a reasonable guaranteed amount (almost but not quite #1WR money), but then allows him to really do some damage with incentives.

He is a cancer, and we would be wise to let him walk. All he does is run his yap, and yap to the media(threw the team under the bus a few times after games) and run his yap to his opponents and get shut down like Pacman Jones did to him.

Do you think Bellichik would put up with someone who runs their yap like Pryor does? Pryor would have been told one time to shut his hole and catch the ball and if didn't like it, bye...thats how it is.

Pryor is a project, his route running needs work...he is a #2 WR at best and is "maybe" worth 3-4 mill a year on a contract...he isn't a Josh Gordon/Megatron/Antonio Brown type of talent, you don't pay guys like Pryor that kinda money.

If he wants 10 mill+ per year, bye we will replace you with someone in the draft.

The last thing we need is a receiver who want shut his yap, that isn't eve elite asking for ridiclious amounts of money per year..paying him would be fleecing the organization. I very highly doubt we franchise him or pay that kinda money for him...that would be silly...now a health Josh Gordon coming off one of his career years? Sure...this guy....no chance.

Wow ... what a shocker ... your not high on something were going to do ... STUNNING ... almost as shocking as mac not being happy ....

And the sun came up in the morning ....

If you hadn't paid any attention, 99.9% WRs have that type of attitude.

But, and not to be rude, but I disagree with all of your post. His upside is unreal. His effort is always max. He's still young. He's still learning a very new position to him. His physical attributes are unreal. We have no WR weapons.

I mean, are you just joking or something? You'd franchise JG over Pryor? I'm having difficulty digesting your post...

Yes. He traded for Randy Moss.



Do we know what he is asking for?

It's like you don't even watch the games.

Yes, Pryor has room to grow and polish.. YET as an unpolished prospect on an offensively flawed team, he still racked up a 1000 yard season. Why oh why would we invest in that?

Whereas 10 may be high, 7 or 8 mil is completely realistic given his production and room for further growth.

The Browns need to invest in keeping their talent. They'll do that with Pryor....even if they have to franchise him to get it done.

I'm not devaluing Pryor. It is what it is...one season playing WR with very good numbers. That's all we have to go off of. I think it's an interesting situation that the Browns are in. I bet the FO does want to add incentives that provides a safeguard...what FO wouldn't? But I also bet Pryor wants more guaranteed money than an incentive-based deal. As he should. It takes two to tango Mac and what the Browns want to do in terms of contract structure may not be what the other side wants. Pryor is 27, just moved positions and is a FA, I bet he wants to cash in on that long-term deal right now while he can. I get that angle completely. I hope he gets the best deal for him and the Browns.

It's not about devaluing Pryor. In fact, its the opposite....it's finding the right market value for his services and I think Pryor and the Browns are in a very rare situation when it comes to a contract.



I think the money they just recently forked over to Collins is an angle that can go against the above, but it can't just be one deal.



I'm not disputing that. I'm talking about finding the right value for him. And it may result in a transition tag to see how the market feels about him to determine value IF a deal isn't done by March 7th.

After the latest post about Pryor telling his agents he wants to stay in Cleveland, my hope is they make it happen, do the research and give him a solid offer.....GO Browns!!!!

Or some of us understand that spending it just to spend it screws us both now and later.

Yeah, I championed spending money "just to spend it."

Yep according to you the cap doesn't matter in today's modern nfl.

Are you trying to start another argument. I never said that. I said that the cap isn't the issue that it used to be and that teams are more able to get out of cap hell than they were in the early 2000s. Are you denying that?

You're the only one that starts arguments around here.

The rest of us are just stuck with your reality.

Yeah........I replied to you first. And you didn't answer my question.

But yeah, I started it.