DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum The 4-3 defense and our current roster.

Hopefully not as I think he'll be a far better fit in a 4-3 than in a 3-4. However, I wouldn't go so far as to say he's secure given that his production last season was more or less non-existent.

And we are going to have at least thirteen draft picks (unless we trade them for more players, future picks, and/or trading up) and sign several free agents. Some guys are just going to get the axe because of the numbers game.

Yep legit 370. Pin high.
Now it was a little down slope and the grass is dead so he got a great roll
Still 370
He shot a 79

https://twitter.com/BR_DougFarrar/status/857694093450792960

probably in no small part because they were winning and the other team had to pass

Even if that was the case, how much did it account for the percentage? 15%?

The league has changed all the way (for now).

It's weird, but it's almost as if I sometimes forget that we have Garrett.

Looking forward to watching this guy sack QB's

Agreed. Maybe cause Garrett was a known thing coming in. Folks were deadset on him. After that, the rest of hte players are surprises.

Come training camp and regular season and Garrett will be the talk. I've been thinking about getting a Garrett T-Shirt, but might save it for a jersey for the wife or the dog. Garrett is gonna be here awhile, so it's a safe bet with them. And hopefully she'll know who he is (my Dog Carl doesn't care, he just likes wearing his Browns Jersey no matter who is on the back .!)

oh yeah for sure. wasn't sure if that was saying sub-packages are the majority or that the Pats and Falcons went to the super bowl in part because they ran sub more than the rest of the league

FS-Ed Reynolds
Sub S-Campbell, Powell SS-Kindred
SS/sub"LB"-Peppers
CB-Taylor, Haden, Calhoun
LB- Collins (SAM), Davis (MIKE), Kirko (WILL)
DE-Garrett, Ogbah
DT-Shelton, Cooper/Ogun

Have no idea what folks see in Reynolds ? Was a day late and a dollar all last season .

Agreed. Reynolds isn't the answer. Maybe the thought is that he's the closest thing we have to a FS.

Hopefully something can pop up.

Why do you assume that folks see something in Reynolds?

I don't see why that would mean that folks see something in him?

Who else should be penciled in at FS? It's not a value judgment on his ability or seeing something in him. He's the returning and only FS on the roster.

I do like Powell's potential. He'll get his chance to compete then its up to him.

Hey if you're saying it was stupid of you who am I to disagree? Lol.

It's a simple point that you're trying your hardest to make it into something it's not.

For the reading impaired....listing the actual starting FS isn't a value judgement of him as a player. It's a statement of fact. Love him or hate him when listing the starters for this defense it makes 0 sense to pencil anyone other then Reynolds at FS.

You can have the last word.

Cheers!

[img]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/864197699905757186[/img] Shelton was in the top ten in run stop yardage last season. That has value.

I keep hearing you refer to Shelton's deficiency as a gap penetrator and I don't necessarily disagree. What your're ignoring is his production against the run. He was among the best in the league in that area on a very bad defense. We will need players who put offenses in 3rd and long situations. Shelton will help us do that. Also I wouldn't completely dismiss him having a role on third down or obvious passing situations. You can judge him as you see fit but when you evaluate his role in combination with our other interior defensive linemen its not a simple assessment of his value. It's a mistake to evaluate him in isolation or, on a single aspect of his game. I think Williams is known for getting the best out of guys and Danny hasn't yet played a snap in Williams' scheme. I'll reserve judgement.

Shelton's role last year was NT, to stuff the run and eat blocks. He did it well.

I expect that he will play mostly 1T, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Williams flip the script and play Shelton at 3T in certain circumstances, and against certain Guards.

Absolutely not, feed the big man some chances to hit the QB. He definitely wants that opportunity and has earned it IMO.

I think Shelton will fit. He'll have a role even if its the same "NT" style from last year. But I expect that Shelton will be allowed/asked to penetrate more and iirc when he was at UDub he was known getting into the backfield with TFL and sacks in addition to stopping the run.
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You make a good point about DD.

He's good just as long as he's going down hill and not having to give chase side to side AND being that the more range your MLB has the better AND being that Kirko can get downhill and has range/coverage ability AND being that DD is likely not going to part of nickel/dime defenses....it basically seems like DD is a limited player when he plays AND he won't be playing often since sub-package are essentially the base D (anywhere upwards of 60% of the time).

Could def see Kirko at Mike, Collins at SAM and Alexander/Schobert at WILL in base 43.

I think between Bryant/Cooper they're gonna keep 1. Can Cooper still be stashed on practice squad or does he have too many game snaps?

There's a glut of edge rushers with Myles, Ogbah, Nassib, Cam Johnson, Orchard, Holmes....

didn't even consider Brantley before bcos of his legal issues but now has been cleared + McCourty

FS-Ed Reynolds

SS-Peppers + sub package nickel safety/"LB"

Nickel Safety-Kindred, Campbell, Powell

CB-Taylor, Haden, McCourty, Calhoun

LB- Collins (SAM), Kirko (MIKE), Alexander (WILL)

DE-Garrett, Ogbah

DT-Shelton/Ogun

DT (3-tech)- Brantley/Ogun/Cooper

I'm going to stop short of getting excited, but on paper this defense looks like it could get some things done.

The secondary is trash. I know that sounds negative, but I really, really think we have a terrible secondary.

I agree, but there is potential - even moreso if the Front 7 plays to their potential, though I still feel we are lacking at Linebacker.

If the Front 7 can stop the run and get pressure, we just MIGHT see Haden return to his old form, and I have little doubt that we'd see the others back there look a little better as well.


All that being said.... I think we'll get torched in the air, but handle teams well on the ground.

I just hope we don't start talking about firing more coaches once reality sets in.

I hope we stick w/these guys for at least 3 years.

Reality is I hated Horton and his defense and I like Williams defence since his time in buffalo n Washington. I also like what we have for this scheme.

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The only glaring weakness for our defense is the FS spot. Other than that, I'm happy with who we have.

I agree. I think CB, with Haden, Taylor BBC and now McCourty whats not to like? Peppers mans one Safety spot and we just need to find another one to go along with him. Should be plenty after cut downs and FA.

I don't known what kind of secondary we have.

Haden tore both groin muscles. Tramon Williams played the other corner a lot of last year. Boddy-Calhoun was aa rookie. We had injuries at both S positions. Add in that we struggled to get any kind of pressure on opposing QBs, and it crated a really bad situation at the back of our defense.

I think that we'll get a truer read of what we have in the secondary this year.

Unless Haden and Taylor lay down I don't think we"ll be that bad back there. Here's hoping.

With Brantley now having his case dismissed, there's going to be some hardcore action going on the defensive line.

I believe it was Ballpeen who said in this thread or another (forgive me if I'm wrong) but there's going to be some good players cut on the d-line.

j/c:

I think you guys are not being realistic. I get that you are fans and want the Browns to win. That's cool.

However, when reality sets in.........people start calling for coaches and/or FO types to get fired. And that ain't cool.

Ummm.. not at the DT spot. We were thin there. Only "good" player that could be on the chopping block is Bryant.

We are far worse in the secondary than on the dline. Fail by the FO.