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If we trade for Garrapollo it will be yet another huge mistake for this franchise.

JG will do NOTHING without Bellichik...just like Cassel, and Mallet before him.

If you want a QB you draft either Trubinsky, or Watson. I would also consider taking a flier on Tyrod Taylor if he becomes available.

Trading draft picks is simply out of the question, especially for a guy who was hurt in his second start that we really have no idea if he is any good.

We need to hit on both our #1 picks. We can't do that if we trade for a ? mark at Qb now can we?

If Garrapolo was as good as folks think, Bellichik would not be trading him. If JG was a franchise QB, Bellichik would cut other people and find a way to keep him on the roster.

I'll give Bellichik credit, not only is he a great coach, but he is also has great PR people....

Cassell won 11 games and was traded to KC for a 2nd rd pick(#34) even thinking of trading the #12 for JG is simply nonsense, and if this FO does that, they will be out of the league shortly.

Were better off staying pat, drafting a Qb in the draft and kicking the tires on Tyrod Taylor if he is available.

In fact if we can get Taylor, you draft Defense Rd 1.

If we offer any 1st rd pick this year or in future years for JG we are getting fleeced and rooked.

I think our 33rd pick and maybe a 4th or 5th is more than fair compensation for JG. I had said I'm ok with our 12th in rd 1 but the more I think about it I feel that is too much. We need to hit on our picks this year, especially in the 1st 2 rounds and get impact players. In the past, as we all know, our FO people couldn't find talent if it was an elephant in a broom closet. Let's hope our new FO does a better job.

Well, like I said above: We are not getting a "KNOWN" QB. He's not Bradford. He has little history. He's still a newby. The only thing he has on a rookie is, he has been in the NFL and knows what it's like as fars as training. Thats a leg up, but not a sure sign.

Honestly,

I think AJ McCarron is a better option.

Hue Jackson coached him for 2 years, he knows the O system here and can step in day one.

He is only 26-years old has completed 102-of-160 passes for 1,066 yards, seven touchdowns and three interceptions

McCarron is a very young prospect we could probably get for a late 2nd or early 3rd. I think Lewis may make an exception and try and help his friend Jackson.

I think McCarron will end up being the better QB, and McCarron fits here in this division.

Honestly, i think JG stuff has just been buzz all along, I think A.J McCarron has been Jackson target at QB all along.

These two statements are contradictory.

The Bengals and the Browns do not trade with each other.

That's an awfully absolute opinion. I disagree. I think JG will be good wherever he ends up - it's just a question of how good. Good enough to start as an NFL starter and be somewhere in the middle of the pack in which case he's at least as good as any QB we've had since 1999. Or very good and a top 10 guy.

Trubisky I am willing to roll the dice on if he was there at #12. I see enough talent that if Hue thought he's the QB of the future I'd be on board 100%. I think he has a super high ceiling. I want nothing to do Watson - not even at #33.... I've decided (despite the fact that he truly excelled in the national championship game and impressed me) that I don't want him as QB as I think he will be more (bad) Michael Vick than (good) Russel Wilson.

If there is any way to get JG for a collection of picks including this year's 2nd rounder(s) I do it.

Well Browns have not had a franchise QB in the days of Kosar. As really need one. How many QB's has the team gone through since 1999? About twenty!

Whatever, let's give BB a 1st rd pick for JG. Egg on face is bound to appear either way with our luck on this matter.

May as well be our fireworks to cheer for. Or worst case scenario, just another dumpster fire to watch in sorrow.

Yeah we should over pay for trades ... over reach for picks and we should operate in a state of fear of always repeating past mistakes.

I didn't think purple was needed here. I was wrong.

Sorry if I didn't get your sarcasm. But it was my understanding that you typically assume the worst.

There is a trading deadline each year. Seems sometime in Nov. I think all leagues have a trading deadline for good reasons.

That has passed, so no trading until March 9th.

The value of Jimmy Garoppolo: How similar quarterback trades have played out for both sides

By Dan Labbe, cleveland.com

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Jimmy Garoppolo speculation isn't going away anytime soon. The possibility that the Patriots could trade Tom Brady's backup this offseason will persist until either they say otherwise or they actually make a deal. Assessing the potential of backup quarterbacks can be difficult. They're coming from a different system, have been groomed by a different coaching staff and, of course, for whatever reason, their team is willing to give them up.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported in December that the Patriots would like a first round pick as part of a trade for Garoppolo, a player they selected in the second round, No. 62 overall. The teams that appear to be in the mix are sitting on top five picks, a price that would be high for what similar trades have netted. That's part of why the Browns' pick at No. 12 is so intriguing. In reality, second round picks have been the more common form of currency.

Understanding that the results of previous trades have little to do with how a future trade will work out, it is important to know what the cost has been in recent years and, ultimately, what the return was for the team trading the quarterback.

Here is a look at some of the significant quarterback trades, what was given up to acquire the quarterback and how those draft picks played out. There are a few trades I passed up: the Jay Cutler trade was a different situation; the Ryan Mallett trade by the Patriots was for a seventh-rounder and he had not started. The Brett Favre trade was in the '90s and we're not going back that far (although that trade did involve Green Bay giving up the second of two first-round picks). The multiple trades of Sam Bradford feel irrelevant, since he is a known commodity.

So here's a look at some of the higher-profile backup or disgruntled quarterback trades in the last decade:

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March 22, 2007 -- Texans acquire Matt Schaub from Falcons

The trade

Texans acquire: Schaub, Atlanta's 2007 first-round pick (No. 10).

Falcons acquire: Houston's 2007 first-round pick (No. 8), 2007 second-round pick (No. 39), 2008 second-round pick (No. 48).

Schaub offers perhaps the most interesting parallel to Garoppolo. The 2004 third round pick started just two games in three seasons for Atlanta. The first was a 26-13 loss at New Orleans during his rookie season. Schaub threw for 188 yards and two interceptions. The second was a 31-28 loss to New England in 2005 in which he threw for 298 yards and three scores.

Schaub's final game in Atlanta was probably his best statistically. Starter Michael Vick was knocked out of the season finale with an ankle injury on the Falcons' first offensive play of the second half. Schaub's first two passes were incomplete before completing 15 of his next 19 for 175 yards, a touchdown and an interception. The Falcons lost, 24-17.

That was enough, though, for the Texans to swap first-rounders with Atlanta, add in their second-round pick that year and the next for Schaub and immediately name him their starting quarterback over former No. 1 pick, David Carr.

Neither team received much from their first-round pick that season. Atlanta used the Texans' pick on defensive end Jamaal Anderson who registered 4.5 sacks in four seasons with the Falcons. Houston defensive tackle Amobi Okoye, who collected 5.5 sacks his rookie season and just 5.5 combined over the next three with Houston.

As for the other picks, Atlanta selected guard Justin Blalock at No. 39. He started 125 games for the Falcons in eight seasons.

It gets complicated after that. In 2008, Atlanta traded their second-round pick from Houston to Washington as part of a deal that netted the Falcons Washington's first, third and fifth round picks. Those players became tackle Sam Baker (started 61 games in his eight seasons), wide receiver Harry Douglas (3,131 receiving yards and eight touchdowns in six seasons with Atlanta) and defensive end Kroy Biermann (23.5 sacks in eight seasons with Atlanta).

As for Schaub, he spent seven seasons with Houston, throwing for more than 23,000 yards, 124 touchdowns and 78 interceptions and made the Pro Bowl in 2009 and 2012. Schaub played in all 16 games in just three of his seven seasons with Houston. His best individual season came in 2009 when he threw for 4,770 yards and 29 touchdowns. The Texans went 9-7 and missed the playoffs. Schaub's lone playoff season with Houston came in 2012 when the Texans went 12-4. They beat the Bengals during Wild Card weekend and lost to New England the following week. Atlanta, by the way, lost in the NFC Championship game that season.

Ultimately, Schaub's time in Houston was marked by flashes of strong play, overall inconsistency and injury. This blog post from the Houston Chronicle offers the full roller coaster. The Falcons, for their part, didn't exactly cash in on their end of the deal.

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February 28, 2009 -- Chiefs acquire Matt Cassel from New England

The trade

Chiefs acquire: Cassel, LB Mike Vrabel

Patriots acquire: Kansas City's 2009 second-round pick (No. 34)

You want to talk about sample sizes? Matt Cassel gave the league one heck of a sample size in 2011 when he started 15 games for New England after Tom Brady was injured against -- Who else? -- the Chiefs. Cassel started 15 games, completed 63 percent of his passes, threw for 3,693 yards, 21 touchdowns against 11 interceptions and the Patriots finished 11-5, somehow missing out on a playoff spot.

New England included Vrabel, who turned 34 prior to the start of the 2012 season, in the deal. The Chiefs gave the Patriots their second round pick, which turned into safety Patrick Chung at No. 34 overall. Chung, who started at safety for the Patriots in Super Bowl LI, was probably the second best of the Pats' twelve picks that season. Their draft that year also included wide receiver Julian Edelman -- though that pick was unrelated to the trade -- in the seventh round. Interestingly, New England traded their first round pick that year to Green Bay, a pick the Packers used on Clay Matthews.

It's also worth noting that Chung actually left New England for a year to play for the Eagles in 2013. They cut him the following offseason and he returned to the Patriots.

As for Cassel, he followed up a rocky first season with the Chiefs with a 2010 season that saw him complete 58 percent of his passes, throw 27 touchdowns and just seven interceptions. Nothing spectacular, but good enough to go with the over 2,300 combined rushing yards from Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones. Cassel, however, completed just 9 of 18 passes for 70 yards and threw three interceptions in a Wild Card Weekend loss to Baltimore at Arrowhead Stadium. He never came close to matching that season, starting just 17 games during his final two seasons with the Chiefs and has started just 18 games in the four seasons since Kansas City released him.

With Cassel, GM Scott Pioli and head coach Romeo Crennel (who replaced Todd Haley in 2011) gone, it meant Kansas City was in the market for a quarterback which led to ...

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February 28, 2013 -- Chiefs agree on trade for 49ers quarterback Alex Smith

The trade

Chiefs acquire: Smith

49ers acquire: Kansas City's 2013 second-round pick (No. 34), conditional 2014 pick (No. 56)

Smith lost his starting job to second-year quarterback Colin Kaepernick late in 2012. After Kaepernick led the 49ers to the Super Bowl, the 49ers traded Smith to the Chiefs in exchange for Kansas City's 2013 second-rounder (No. 34 overall) and a conditional mid-round pick in 2014 which turned out to be the No. 56 overall pick.

Smith has started 61 games for Reid's Chiefs over his four seasons, running an efficient offense in which he has completed 64.5 percent of his passes with 76 touchdowns and 28 interceptions. The Chiefs have made the playoffs in all but one of Smith's seasons as a starter, but have advanced just once, beating Houston during Wild Card Weekend in 2016 and losing to New England the next week. Smith and the Chiefs lost to the Steelers in the Divisional Round at home this past season.

San Francisco traded the No. 34 pick in 2013 to Tennessee in exchange for the Titans' second and seventh round picks in 2013 and their third-round pick in 2014. The 49ers selected linebacker Tank Carradine with Tennessee's second-round pick (No. 40 overall). They traded the seventh-round pick they acquired to Green Bay as part of a trade to move up from No. 93 to No. 88 to select linebacker Corey Lemonier. They used the 2014 third-round pick on linebacker Chris Borland.

It gets a little more complicated from there, but ultimately, the 49ers also used a 2015 fourth-round pick acquired through the moving parts of this trade to acquire wide receiver Stevie Johnson from the Bills in 2014.

Hyde has been a good running back while Borland retired, citing concerns over concussions, after a promising rookie season. Carradine has appeared in 36 games for the 49ers while Lemonier has bounced around between the 49ers, Browns and Jets. Johnson played one season with the 49ers, catching 35 passes for 435 yards and three touchdowns.

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October 19, 2011 -- Raiders acquire Carson Palmer from the Bengals

The trade

Raiders acquire: Palmer

Bengals acquire: Oakland's 2012 first-round pick (No. 17), 2013 conditional second-round pick (No. 37)

I'm including this trade because it involves a key Browns decision-maker: head coach Hue Jackson.

Jackson's Raiders were off to a 4-2 start following a 24-17 win over the Browns. That win came at a cost though, when starting quarterback Jason Campbell broke his collarbone. Campbell was playing well, having completed 60.6 percent of his passes for 1,170 yards and six touchdowns. The Bengals, meanwhile, had drafted Andy Dalton after Palmer requested a trade and threatened retirement and was placed on the reserve/did not report list when he didn't show up for training camp prior to the 2011 season.

Palmer had a history with Jackson and the Raiders were an organization in flux following the death of owner Al Davis. They gave up a 2012 first round pick and 2013 conditional second-round pick that could have become a first-round pick if the Raiders reached the AFC championship game.

Palmer made his first appearance a few days later, relieving starter Kyle Boller in the third quarter of a 38-0 loss to Kansas City. Palmer started the next game following a bye, a 38-24 loss to Denver, but the Raiders won their next three games with Palmer starting to move to 7-4. That was the high-water mark, though, with Oakland losing four of their last five, and Palmer throwing seven touchdowns and eight interceptions over those final five games.

The Bengals, meanwhile, used the 2012 first-round pick acquired in the deal to select Dre Kirkpatrick, who has been one of their starting cornerbacks the last two seasons. They selected running back Giovani Bernard with the 2013 second-round pick. Bernard has rushed for 2,442 yards and 14 touchdowns in four seasons while sharing a backfield, mostly with Jeremy Hill.

The Raiders hired Reggie McKenzie as their GM following the 2011 season and he fired Jackson. Palmer started 15 games for Oakland in 2012 for head coach Dennis Allen. The Raiders went 4-12 and, on April 2, 2013, they traded Palmer to Arizona in a deal that included the swap of 2013 draft picks and a conditional pick in 2014.

Arizona was in the market for a quarterback in part because of a trade they made a few offseasons earlier ...

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July 29, 2011: Cardinals acquire Kevin Kolb from the Eagles

The trade

Cardinals acquire: Kolb

Eagles acquire: CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Arizona's 2012 second-round pick (No. 51)

Kolb was supposed to be the heir apparent to Donovan McNabb in Philadelphia. He started the first game of the post-McNabb era in Philadelphia in 2010, but backup quarterback Michael Vick, in his second season back in the league, lined up all over the field for the Eagles, including starting the game at wide receiver and taking snaps in place of Kolb. Vick eventually took over at quarterback when Kolb suffered a concussion.

While Kolb didn't initially lose his starting quarterback job, Vick played well enough in his place that he was promoted in front of Kolb. Kolb returned to play after Vick was injured in the second quarter of the Eagles' Oct. 3 game against Washington. He started the next three games before Vick returned and Kolb made his final start as an Eagle in 2010's meaningless season finale.

Following the resolution of the lockout that offseason, the Cardinals shipped a 2012 second-round pick and cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to Philadelphia. Rodgers-Cromartie was coming off of a season in which he intercepted three passes and returned two for scores.

Kolb started just 14 games for Arizona, suffering two more concussions during the 2012 season, he wrote for MMQB. He threw 17 touchdown passes and 11 interceptions. The Cardinals cut him in March 2013.

Rodgers-Cromartie played two seasons in Philadelphia, starting 19 games, including all 16 games in 2012, a season in which he intercepted three passes. The Eagles traded the No. 51 overall pick to Green Bay for the Packers' second and fourth round picks. They used the second round pick from Green Bay on defensive end Vinny Curry, who has 19 sacks in five seasons with the Eagles. They selected cornerback Brandon Boykin with the fourth round pick. Boykins last appeared in a game for Pittsburgh in 2015 after three seasons in Philadelphia, including a 2013 season in which he intercepted six passes and scored a touchdown. He missed all of 2016 with a pectoral injury.

Looking back on these trades, it's safe to say that none of them were franchise-changers in either direction. Smith was probably the best quarterback acquired and, at the time, that was a trade that many thought San Francisco had won based on the assets they acquired. It turned out, though, that Hyde was the best of all of those assets. It's safe to say Kansas City would make that trade again.

Atlanta ended up with a longterm starter at guard and a good receiver in Douglas. Schaub, while inconsistent, had some productive seasons for the Texans.

The Patriots flipped Cassel into a good player who is still starting for them, but it hardly feels like a robbery, despite things not working out for Cassel and the Chiefs. The Patriots did allow Chung to walk for a season, after all.

The Eagles ended up getting a good player in Curry.

Perhaps the best return came for the Bengals trading Palmer, but that trade was made under extreme circumstances for both teams. Of course, that's the trade that involved Jackson, so we'll see if that looms large in the Browns' decision.

Wait, someone "liked" that post? I yi yi yi.

There are so many false concepts in that post that I almost don't know where to start.

Let's try and look at a few of them:

--How do you know that trading for Jimmy G will be a "huge mistake?"


--Jimmy G will fail because Cassel and Mallet did? Were either drafted as high as Jimmy? Didn't Mallet have a drug problem? How are they similar other than they all played for NE?

--What guarantees do you have that Trubinsky or Watson will be better than Jimmy G?

--Why is trading draft picks "simply out of the question?" Isn't the idea to improve your team?

--We can "hit" on both of our picks if we choose wisely w/the first pick and Jimmy G turns out to be the answer. You can't sit here and tell me that you absolutely know that Watson and Trub are safer picks than Jimmy G. I can't say the opposite, but I do feel that Jimmy G is a better qb than those two guys.

--I am really tired of people saying that if "Garrapolo was as good as folks think, Bellichik would not be trading him. This has been explained numerous times by numerous people. Brady is in great shape and is not slowing down. NE would lose Jimmy G to FA if they don't trade him before the end of his contract. What is so hard to grasp?

--Oh, and it isn't in this post that I am replying to, but did you say that AJ McCarron was better equipped to handle the AFC North than Jimmy G? Please name the ways:

+Arm strength? Negative

+Leadership? Negative

+Size? Negative

+Athleticism? Negative

+Reading coverages? Negative

+Getting rid of the ball quickly? Negative

+Accuracy? Negative

Here is what I think................there are quite a few posters who are offering negative comments on Jimmy G w/out ever really watching him play or studying his tape. It's pretty obvious as to who those people are. LOL....it's most of you, but some just stand out more than others. Like Knight and the guy who said Jimmy G was a "system qb."

J/C ......

If I'm Belichick, I hold on to Garappolo through training camp, until a solid+ level team suffers a QB injury. (Like te Vikings with Bridgewater, who then horribly overpaid for Bradford) Sure there's a risk the no one gets hurt .... but odds are against that.

Not only would a starting QB need to get hurt, but the starting QB would have to be on a team with championship aspirations.

If our starting QB got hurt in a situation similar to Bridgewater, would we give up anything of value for a new starting QB?

That would severely limit the market.

Belichick's best chance at getting the best possible return is to trade Garoppolo when there are as many teams bidding as possible.

Maybe, but looking at your argument, we would give up a lot for Jimmy now, but not after the draft?

I also believe that the media is whipping themselves into a frenzy over Garappolo. I don't see any team giving up a top 10 pick for Jimmy. I think that he is a good prospect, but not a sure fire star. I also could see Belichick wanting to hold onto him through camp, just to make sure he doesn't wind up with his 40 year old QB (this coming August) being injured, and then has a Super Bowl team without a QB. I could definitely see him being willing to trade Jimmy for some ridiculous offer, but not for anything less.

I could be wrong though. It has happened twice in my lifetime .... or maybe it's at least 3 with that statement.

If we didn't address the QB position at all in the off-season? Maybe. But if we do not trade for Garoppolo, then I would guess we would probably sign or trade for another veteran (Taylor, Glennon, etc.) and/or draft a player pretty high.

I agree with and don't see anyway a team will give up a high first round pick (top half of the round) for a player that has one year left on his contract and has made two starts.

You might be right and if so that would work to our advantage to be sure. However, I think there is a legit chance that the 49ers will trade the #2 pick for NE's first pick and Jimmy G. Kyle wanted to have Jimmy G. for the Browns at pick 22 so he already graded him as a first round pick. Think about that for a minute.

Kyle is the new head coach of the 49ers and he views Jimmy G. as worth a first round pick. To me that is a very important consideration to think about if your the Browns front office. They already have Kyle's scouting report and opinions about Jimmy G. ON FILE. Kyle is not perfect by any means but he is regarded as one of the best offensive minds in the league by many of his peers.

So it doesn't matter if Jimmy G. was drafted in the second round by NE. Kyle has to rebuild the 49ers and he desperately needs a QB. If he views Jimmy G. as a better QB than what's in this draft then the #2 pick is well worth it to get a QB who will be the one who determines his success as a Head Coach.

There is also the high probability that Kyle would love to stick it to the Browns by preventing them from getting the QB he told them to take in the first place. He trades for him and has success with him then he can rub in it Jimmy Haslam's face for not listening to him.

I'm honestly afraid we will lose out on the one QB that has a chance to be a difference maker for the Browns. I mean I don't see the Browns being able to pass up Myles Garrett. So we will end up with the third most important piece of the team but lose out on the 1st most important piece. I'm actually pretty saddened by how fate just keeps screwing us over when it comes to finally getting a franchise QB and Jimmy G. is going to be a top 10 franchise QB. I just know it deep down in my gut.

Shanahan may believe that Jimmy G was worth a first round pick, however, that was also with a rookie contract and knowing he would the QB in the fold for 4.. possibly 5 years.

I have Battered Browns Fan Syndrome. I can see a 4 year older Garoppolo looking for his payday. I can see him going with the trade, after all, he has no choice. I can also see him playing 1 year and bolting to San Francisco, LA, Denver, Houston or even back to the Patriots. You talk about Shanahan wanting to stick it to Haslam ?? That would stick it to Haslam... and the Browns would be out a much needed # 12 draft pick to build the team.

if we traded for Jimmy G and didn't work out a contract, would we be able to franchise him the next year?

It would be another knife through the heart for some of us who have followed the Browns for decades if Shanny was able to swing the trade for the Jimmy G.

It would be like father, like son to be sure ^^

I am almost to the point that if the Browns don't find a way to get Jimmy G. that I might lose whatever hope I have in this front office. We need a franchise QB. Jimmy has all the skill sets of a franchise QB. We need to be the ones that grab him instead of letting a chance like this slip through our hands yet again.

There is certainly risk associated w/trading for Jimmy G. The scariest part is if the Browns can't re-sign him when his contract comes up. That would be awful. I don't know much about such things, but I wonder if the Browns could somehow quietly reach some sort of understanding w/his agent before they make the trade?

I don't think Shanny would love to stick it to Haslam all that much. The latter did release him from his contract when he wrote that power point. I think the guys who Shanny had a problem with are gone.

While I agree w/you that there is risk involved in making such a trade, I think there is risk involved no matter what we do w/our draft picks. Drafting a qb high means you are married to him for at least three years. That means you pass on qbs in the subsequent drafts. What if you draft a guy like Trub or Watson and they bust? Isn't that risky?

Again, while I acknowledge that there is certainly risk involved w/making a trade of this magnitude, I still believe that Jimmy G is a much safer choice than either Trub or Watson.

I'm on the Jimmy G train as much as anyone, but I would be shocked if SF pulled that off. Dropping 30 spots from #2 is astronomical. Not saying it won;t happen, but I do not see it as likely at all. This is why I think we are in the driver's seat. I do not see SF or Chi willing to trade the #2 or #3 pick (those usually go for ransoms, and are the target of the trade, not used to acquire someone already in the league). That moves those teams down to offering their 2nd round pick. Our 2nd round pick is a better pick, and we have the #12 pick to offer as a swap with NE.

The Jets and Bills could both be looking at QB and they are before our #12 pick, but I do not see NE making a trade within the division.

If SF offers the #2, then they can have him. I can live with dropping from #12 to #32, but not from #1.

Well at the very least we can have him for 3 years. 1 year on his remaining contract. Then we can franchise him twice. I don't want to hear nonsense about the cost of it either. This team has so much carn cap space its stupid. For those three years we would end up paying about 44-50 million(rough estimate). Rounded up that's about 17 mill a year.

We could easily offer him 18 mill per year on a 5 year contract with the first 2 years guaranteed money. That's 90 million with 36 million guaranteed. Dead money would be gone after 2 years so if he sucks we can cut him(wont need to do this though). There is no way he turns that down. It also send a very clear message to the team who the new captain is and Jimmy will never look back.

With our cap space who cares about the difference in a rookie contract. I WANT TO WIN!!! Jimmy G. is a bonafide talent at QB. You can't watch him play and think anything else.

I get that many are worried and feeling insecure but Jimmy G. is flat out one of the best throwers I have seen in awhile. He has elite ball placement and awesome touch on his passes. He is great at reading defenses because he has great field vision. He processes information super fast and gets rid of the ball like lightning. He is very intelligent and a high class individual who is confident yet humble.

We are so lucky we didn't draft Jimmy and ruin him. Instead we have a polished and trained player who is ready to go. NOW not a few years from now after Hue has gotten fired due to bad QB play. We don't have forever for a QB to be groomed. I honestly don't trust Haslem not to blow things up if QB play is as bad as it was last year. I like Trub but is he going to progress fast enough to stop the team from blowing up again? Who knows. I have watched hours upon hours of film on Jimmy though and I am VERY confident he will add wins to our record right away. Also, watching him play QB is something that will change your Sundays to a day of Joy again instead of yelling at the screens because our QBs sucks so bad.

Honestly whatever it takes to get him I am fine with it. It's the most important position on the team and it's time we put someone who is special there for once.

It boils down to this...does Shanny think Jimmy G. is a franchise QB? If the answer is YES then then the #2 pick is nothing to give up. To me this is what we are truly up against if we want a real QB then we have to do what it takes to go and get him.

"The scariest part is if the Browns can't re-sign him when his contract comes up. That would be awful."

I don't think it would be an issue. We have the franchise tag so he is ours for at least 3 years. And while nobody likes the franchise tag, financially it wouldn't be that bad of a deal for the Browns.

We would have JG on the last year of his rookie contract - $700,000
Then 1st franchise year - $20 million
Then 2nd franchise year - $24 million

Essentially a 3 year $45 million contract
That averages about $15 million per year.
Pretty good deal for the Browns if he performs well enough for us to want to franchise him twice.

Note: All salary numbers are estimates

Thanks for the information.

j/c Vers

I just keep coming back to the same thought on Jimmy G...

Every team that needed a QB in 2014 passed on him twice.. what have you seen from him in the last 3 years that would elevate his grade to a top 10 (or so) status?

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His draft class was highly regarded. You had Carr, Teddy, Bortles, Manziel, Jimmy G, Mettenberger, McCarron, Boyd, Savage, Thomas, Fales, Murray, etc.

All were considered good prospects at different points in time.

I was sold on Teddy. I was gung-ho on drafting him. I didn't know much about Jimmy G until Razor kept preaching about how good he was. Thus, I decided to research him for myself and mostly liked what I saw. I have listed his positives and concerns several times on here. Nothing he has done in the NFL has changed that view.

That was a highly thought of draft class that towers over this year's class. I don't believe in grading a qb high just because he is at the top of his particular draft class. Instead, I believe in assigning them a grade that is based on their overall abilities.


Thus, I still have a higher grade on Jimmy G than any qb in this year's class.

Even though it hasn't worked out in the past, our best bet would be to draft our own QB and develop him. Lord knows we are due for one to finally work out for us.

The problem with that is that there may not be a QB worth drafting high in this draft.

I think people say that to justify not drafting a QB. Deshaun was worth last year, and after winning the championship I don't see why his stock would go down.

Deshaun is a much better prospect than JG ever was, the same goes to some other QB's in this draft.

Or there is no QB worth drafting high.



People always run to anoint the next great QB. Always. Does it make you think twice that that has not happened so far this year? Do you think that is happening for a reason?



Why? Who?

Will you please attempt to justify that claim?

Will you give us your analysis on things like accuracy, mechanics, release time, reading defenses pre and post snap, arm strength, physical dimensions, pocket presence, experience, etc.

Thanks a bunch.

The biggest thing that changed is the caliber of QB available today vs then ... You have no one that is thought of as highly as Bortles, Carr, Bridgewater or Manziel coming out ..

Jimmy's worth back then was tied to those guys .... today his worth is tied to the QB's coming out Way more than what he's actually accomplished in the NFL ...

Jimmy has also been in the NFL for 3 years getting reps in pre-season and learning the NFL game ... even though he only has 2 starts .. that maturation and learning the speed and differences in the game is HUGE ....

Your doing yourself a dis-service if u look at it strictly from the standpoint of everyone passed on him twice back then and he's done nothing in the NFL to change that opinion ...

Your right in that he hasn't .. but everything around him has changed and MOST IMPORTANTLY his "competion" has changed ....

Hope i explained that right and u understand it ...