DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Garoppolo Part Four

The funny thing is they can make the right decision and then lady luck says scrw you and next thing you know you're in a tailspin of doom. To me if Bill wants to be the greatest HC of all time then he has to show he can lead a team beyond Tom Brady. Otherwise he is a guy who just got lucky enough to find a great QB.

Maybe we can find someone to give us a couple of picks to move back from 12, then send that new first rounder to the Pats. Say if Denver wanted to move up, gave us their 1st and 2nd this year and a 3rd next year...as long as it's not the Dolphins, I wouldn't risk having the 22nd pick in the draft being remotely involved in a quarterback for the Browns.

It'd be weird for a team to move to the middle of the draft when they don't even know who will be available.

Nice post.

I have one issue with it.
Uf he leaves next year as a free agent the patriots don't lose him for nothing. They will definitely get a comp pick. Likely a 3rd rounder.

It would have to be a draft day deal.

That was a good post. There were several good posts since this morning.

I don't know what New England will do. I don't think it's a "no-brainer" either way.

I could see NE keeping him to protect themselves in case Brady has a monumental fall-off.

I can see them trying to get as much for him in a trade because they don't want to lose him for a third round comp pick after next year.

I think it is important to consider that they spent a 3rd round pick on Brisset this past year.

I don't know what will happen, but if he is traded, I hope he is traded to the Browns.

Jc

I will say the one team that I think has the best chance to get him besides us is SF.

#2 for #32 and Jimmy? (No rumors, just a thought)

Is it a lot? Probably. But if he's THE GUY. It's always worth it.

You put Jimmy with Kyle, and as long as Lynch isn't terrible at his job that team could have a QUICK turnaround.

naw... its really vers...

J/C .... I wish that people would not take the Lord's name in vain. There are other ways to express frustration.

Amen Town !

I know J/C means just clicking, but seeing it in a post decrying taking the Lord's name in vain struck me as funny (it's also His initials).

Sorry if that (and this comment offends) but taking the lord's name in vain means nothing to me. My comment was to illustrate frustration. And you recognizing my frustration, is all I needed.

That is all.

That's not the point at all. You are not religious. Others are and have let you know that something offends then.

The point is can you be respectful of their belief and find an alternative way to communicate your frustration.

I'm sorry that I don't necessarily worry about whether a comment offends someone.

That frustrated you?

I doubt it. I think it was just you getting another personal shot in on me.

There have been many complimentary comments coming from guys like Mayock, McCown, Casserly, Eddleman, BB, etc and they continually get ignored by some and instead we keep reading how Jimmy G is injury prone, undersized, a system qb, has average arm strength, leaves the pocket too early, etc.

Yet, none of those comments [which are not true] frustrate you and mine did??????

Sure its frustrating. You preach up and down that you don't like being insulted and then claim people are internet "experts" when they have different opinions than you. You're just a few days from taking off the dunce cap and sitting in the internet corner (again) and you're back to your old, hypocritical self. Damn right, it's frustrating.

Furthermore, it's funny how you chastise people's opinion on quarterbacks when you recently made fun of people, and insulted them, for liking Derek Carr and Carson Wentz.

Maybe you should just stick telling people you disagree with them rather than trying to make them look bad.

Classic!!!!

Listened to Phil Savage on Late Hits last night (2/16). He talked a lot about the Browns and specifically our 1st pick in the draft. He gave a lot of opinion about MG then Allen and did some compare and contrast between the 2.

Definitely worth a listen if you have siriusxm and can re-stream it. I turned the radio on between 7:10 and 7:15 and he was already talking Browns. Just to give you a time window to shoot for so you don't have to start from the beginning.

Did Phil have a favorite between the two?

2 additional things.

1st, Phil's breakdown mirrored a lot of the discussion on here.
2nd, If any of you guys are Nick that called in. Nice job.
Best Browns fan caller in a long time.

Hard to say. I don't want to try to quote him too much from memory so I encourage anyone who can to listen. Bu my take away was this (and I missed the very 1st part about MG):

MG - Makes some great plays but often disappears.
Reminds him of a young Julius Peppers
Got credit for playing injured all season

Allen - Much more consistent "You know what yo are going to get"

MG - outside pressure, Allen inside pressure and can do more to help stop the run game which "Cleveland has been trying to do since I was there and still haven't found a way" Stopping the run game is important because ... don't remember the reasoning but I think we all have a good idea. But MG would be a bigger influence vs the passing game.

Allen had better stats but MG had less support around him and it is easier for a DT to make tackles in the run game than a DE.

Bottom line - He likes both a lot, Choice would depend on what the Browns preference was - inside vs outside pressure. I seemed to hear a little 'bama bias because he does their games. When it came down to it, my impression was that he would lean toward MG but felt that he had more risk than Allen.

He also noted that there could be some thought that coming from the coaching at Alabama Allen was fully developed and may have reached his ceiling, whereas MG has a lot of room for growth.


Disclaimer: These are my memories from last night's show and I tried to be clear what I heard, what I am quoting, and what are my impressions. But again this is by memory so forgive any errors and if anyone does listen toLate Hits please come back and confirm or correct this post.

Thank you!!!
I completely agree with what Savage was saying. The Browns can't miss on this pick and Allen is the safer of the two without sacrificing production IMO. What he lacks in explosive pass rush ability he MORE then makes up for in the run game and higher motor. Much more versatility also, line him up anywhere.

Can you put this in the draft forum? Maybe the Garrett thread or the Who Should We Take thread?

Good suggestion. I actually thought I was in the who we should take thread when I posted this.

Edit: Copy and pasted to the Who should we draft thread
Refs - if you will, please feel free to delete this post and my prior 3.
Wrong thread and I moved them but it is too late for me to delete them from here.

Phil's famous for Thomas pick, but he also traded to get Whimbley....an outside rusher, he's way better than Farmer, but still....hope we get right guy, interview and digging into personal history about love of football and motor HAS to be done....GO Browns!!! Hope we get JG IF he's available.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...-qb#Post1230508

I would suggest this ^^^ thread. I already posted a link (that no one listened and youtube clip) from Mayock talking about the Browns and how he would consider Garrett/Allen for the Browns at pick 1.

I will always remember Phil Savage as the guy who preached to build through the draft.

Then immediately went out and signed two high priced FAs.

And traded a 2nd Round pick for Corey Williams

And traded a 3rd round pick for Shaun Rogers.

After making the Brady Quinn deal the year before, Cleveland didn't have a pick until round 4 in the 2008 draft. I think Phil was swinging for the fences after the 10-6 year and mortgaged the future for a deep playoff run. It failed.

God, I remember that. He asked Romeo if he wanted a Pass Rusher or a Run Stopper. Romeo said pass rusher and he traded up to get Wimbley (given it was like a 6th or 5th round pick only).

But we would have had Haloti Ngata. Not sure if it would have made a huge difference (with all our other screw ups), but Ngata's career surely surpassed Wimbley's

Phil tried. Just didn't work out.

Old saying...best laid plans of mice and men...Savage missed a lot on talent evaluation- IF, IF we can get JG he's been with among the best QBs ever, has some NFL experience and isn't beat up/broken....I'd give up 12 for him, small hands and all....Adams maybe over MG because of motor.....what happens when you give them millions, that's a question too....GO Browns!!!!

They didn't use a first round pick on him and I would not give them one of ours for him ... Period!!!

Thats fine. I disagree. We have different opinions..

However.



With that logic, you also wouldnt trade..

A 1st for Derek Carr.
A 2nd for Russel Wilson.
A Top 10 pick for Ben Roethlisberger.
Or a 5th rounder for Tom Brady..

Those QBs have proved that they can produce in the NFL over an extended period of time. Garappolo has not done that yet.

Frankly, if I'm Belichick, and I think that Garrapolo is a plus level starting NFL QB, I hold onto him till the end of this season, at least.

Brady is a great QB, and has defied age, but if age does catch up to him, it could do so rapidly. Also, he'll be what ... 40? 41? Injuries do happen to QBs, and if they trade Garappolo, and Brady gets hurt, their Super Bowl chances could go out the window. Sure they could lose him next year, but they could also franchise him. Crazy to franchise a backup QB? Sure, but the Pats have cap room to do so, and they could protect themselves at the most important position for the next 3 years. Garappalo wouldn;t like it, but the Pats would be protected for another 3 years.

Just my $0.02 worth.

If the Patriots Garoppolo would make something like $65 million over three years. Their entire team is set up so that Brady makes the most money and everyone falls in line (and Brady takes less money).

There is a 0% chance they would ever do that.

I'm just saying that things are reported like they have no options with Garoppolo, and they do.

what has jimmy g done to warrant a 1st round pick?

absolutely nothing. he hasn't done anything to even warrant a 2nd rounder.

that's a fallacy. those guys have produced at an elite level. Jimmy G, through no fault of his own, has not, and as such, isn't worth a 1st rounder. or a 2nd for that matter, even though that's what he will most likely go for.

A hell of a lot more than Mitch Trubisky.