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Clearly, the longer it takes for the team to sign Pryor, the more it shows us that they don't really want him.

Totally.

Man I am getting tired of waiting to hear some good news!!!!

Sorry, I don't believe this at all. I said awhile back that since Pryor is such an unknown, I think the FO told him and the agents to go find what they thought would be market value and come back and they would make it better. I said it then and I'll say it again, I don't think anybody will offer him over 10 mil a year. He's just to new. Someone might offer him a show me contract but we should already be past that offering. If we offer 10.5 mil and they still hold out then let the market set it for them.

I was being facetious.

Opps. Sorry about the rant. Following all of the politics have me in knots. Gotta just chill out

Kind of thinking that Pryor was determined all along to enter FA without a contract from Browns....his quotes were nothing but lip service....

Once he knows his market value then IF HE REALLY WANTS TO STAY he will give the Clowns the chance to match....otherwise adios!

I don't think Pryor will be in Cleveland next year....

I think he is a deva but we really don't need to create yet another hole in the damn....

My $0.02

Pryor is a member of a class of divine beings in the Vedic period, which in Indian religion are benevolent and in Zoroastrianism are evil?

Wow!

That's why I come here, it's educational LOL

You mean, you didn't know that already?

Its pretty much a given

Collins is signed.

If we can't sign Pryor before FA, we'll tag him.

If he acts like he won't sign long term after we tag him, then we just whisper into his ear that Greg Williams put a bounty on him in practice.

Bingo. Pryor is going to be on the team next year. In fact, the tag might be the best thing as he will have to prove himself again (and we will get to see if he was a one year wonder). His one year price tag might be high, but that's the price you pay for not signing a long term contract.

Good points.

I'd rather TAG him to be honest. Gives both sides a chance to see if there is a long term future.

Mnan, I had to Google Zoroas .... that word.

Franchise tag would make Terrelle Pryor NFL's best-paid receiver in 2017

Pat McManamon
ESPN Staff Writer
Feb 22, 2017
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Silence can be golden, but the silence regarding the talks to keep Terrelle Pryor off the free-agent market seem mildly concerning.

Especially for those who want to see Pryor remain with the Cleveland Browns.

The team and Pryor's camp both have maintained a public silence about the situation, with the only comments from Pryor at the end of the season that he told his agent he wanted to stay in Cleveland, but a deal has to be fair to both sides. That's a point that has yet to arrive.

As the March 9 date for the start of free agency approaches, the deadline for placing the franchise tag on Pryor gets closer. That's a move neither the team nor the player wants.

The nuances of the tag are explained here by ESPN's Kevin Seifert. The bottom line is the tag essentially keeps a player with his team, and pays him very well. The teams don't like to anger the player, who loses freedom, nor do they like the high salary that goes with the tag. Players don't like their chance at not being able to decide where they want to play.

The Browns could put one of two tags on Pryor. The first keeps him from seeking offers. The second allows him to sign an offer sheet, and if the Browns don't match, they receive two first-round draft picks.

The Browns would probably make that trade yesterday. No team is going to sign Pryor to that kind of contract and give up two first-round picks to get him. He simply has not played enough receiver to warrant that consideration.

Franchising Pryor would keep him in Cleveland at a price expected to be near $15.8 million. If he's franchised, the Browns could continue to negotiate a long-term deal. Pryor also could sign the offer at any time.

Once he signs the franchise offer, he becomes the NFL's highest-paid receiver, in terms of cash paid in 2017.

The Rams' Tavon Austin right now is the due to receive $14.977 million in cash and bonuses, according to both ESPN's Roster Management System and spotrac.com. Next are Dallas' Dez Bryant ($13 million), Denver's Demaryius Thomas ($12.5 million), Atlanta's Julio Jones ($11.5 million) and Arizona's Larry Fitzgerald ($11 million).

Pryor would pass them all, and the Browns would have to swallow the entire salary-cap cost. 
Cleveland, though, is one team for which that cost would not matter. The Browns are projected to have around $108 million in salary-cap room when free agency begins.

As Seifert points out, in the past five years, 47 players were franchised. Twenty-two signed the offer, 24 signed long-term extensions and one signed a modified deal -- that was Jason Pierre-Paul, after his fireworks accident.

The advantage for the Browns is clear. They retain their top receiver for at least one year, which is important, given the lack of depth at the position in general. If Pryor leaves, the Browns are suddenly barren at receiver.

The team also gets another year to see Pryor at the position and assess his long-term value. The fact that no deal has been agreed to indicates the team and player disagree about that value.

The Browns have used the tag twice, for place-kicker Phil Dawson. Though Dawson was more than deserving, the fact that the team used it on a kicker speaks to its talent in recent years.

Dawson was and is the ultimate professional, and even he didn't appreciate being tagged. Players simply don't like it. A player like Pryor worked his entire life for the chance he has now -- to be rewarded by the team that gave him a chance or to test his value on the market, where teams typically are overly generous.

Having that freedom revoked usually does not go over well. It's tough to project how well Pryor would do on the market, but at 27, he might be at his peak in terms of marketability.

ESPN's Roster Management System analyzes age and production, and it shows 27 is when a receiver hits his peak. He then maintains a high level through the age of 31. At 32 is when productions starts to drop.

The other risk for a player is injury. If a player has a serious injury while on a one-year contract, his bargaining power decreases.

However, the tags were negotiated by the players and management in collective bargaining, so players must live with them.

In Pryor's case, he'd live with it for a year. At least he'd live well.

No way i tag Pryor.

Look I want Pryor to be here, at the right price. He simply isn't worthy that kinda money. Look i'll come up some and say 6 mill a year, but anymore then that, were getting fleeced.

Gordon put up better numbers in 4 less games played.

KJ put up better numbers
Winslow put up better numbers

He only caught 4 TD. Of course he is going to look great when everything around him is trash.

Look im willing to keep him for a fair contract, despite me thinking he is a cancer that can't keep his mouth shut, but...you do realize guys like Lavon Bell...a Flippin Pro Bowl running back is only worth 9 mill a year...offering Pryor 6 mill per year is VERY generous for a guy with no Pro Bowl berths, and really looking at his numbers an above average year.

The Browns need to stop getting fleeced. Pryor is a good player, but tagging him or paying him 12-15 mill per year is ridiclious....that Megatron kinda money, and the only WR we have with that kinda talent is Gordon(if he can keep himself clean)

Hopefully Gordon does have his life straightened out and is able to come back because if he is, you will see what upper echelon WR talent looks like.

I'd offer Pryor 5-6 mill per, if he balks let him walk.

Mike Willaims, John Ross, Corey Davis, and Curtis Samuel are all grading as first rd talent at Wr in the upcoming draft by Walter Football. We will have the option to get a very very good Wr(probably better then Pryor) at the #12 spot if Pryor doesn't want to be reasonable with his monetary demands.

Franchise tag only affects our cap for one year. We have more cap space than we can even possibly spend this year. We don't have much WR talent, we won't be drafting one, and there is nothing special in free agency. YET, you think we should let him walk over freaking money?! Knight that is flat out silly. That is the same as trying to lose on purpose.

We will not draft a WR with our #12 pick. That pick will be either used on defense or a QB. I mean Mike WIlliams fits the mold of what Hue likes but they just spent a first rounder on Corey last year so I don't think it's likely with the high talent of defensive picks this year. There is nothing we will draft in the second round that beats out TP.

a franchise tag on him doesn't hurt us in any way, shape or form. I think it's perfect for seeing if he shows he has what it takes to elevate things to the next level. If they sign a contract I seriously doubt its for less than 8 mil a year with incentives to yards and tds that boost it to 12 mil a year. I love contracts based on incentives.

Either way franchising him doesn't hurt us in ANY way.

j/c:

Still think the transition tag is still the better option of the two tags, if it comes to that.

Razor, I understand your reasoning. It makes sense.

But, I get what Knight is saying too.

When I think of "flat out silly" I think of Terrell walking out on the field, day 1 of training camp with a contract of over 15 million for this year. I think that's silly, crazy, whatever. Joe and a few of those guys are gonna take a look at him and ask themselves, WTF?

I do get what you are saying, "its not gonna hurt us long term" at least not when it comes to contracts or money. But... man

Whatever happened to our thought that it was inevitable that he would be transition tagged and allowed to go out on the open market to determine his value? It just seems to make the most sense.

j\c He is an average receiver on a bad team is why he might look good to some,he drops a lot of balls, runs the wrong routs,causes a little dissention at times I say trade him for a quality person that's willing to work hard for the Browns after all 4 tds aint worth too much anyway

I get what your saying but I don't like the transition tag with him. There could be some crazy stupid team willing to way over pay him and then to match it we are stuck with a bad contract. I haven't seen enough from TP to lock him up in a long term contract just yet for that kind of high end money. I think it's better to franchise him for a year and see how he does. Then we either sign him long term or we don't based on a much larger sample size from being in the same system for a second year in a row.

I think our entire offense will do better in the second year. It will be interesting to see how that effects how TP performs. For instance, If corey starts to play like a first round pick should then it could mean a LOT less pressure on TP and a chance for him to shine or fall.

Either way I think a franchise tag for a year is the most beneficial for the Browns unless TP is willing to sign a reasonable contract. I don't think his large ego will allow for that though.

i'd give pryor 8-9 million with PBI to earn 11-13..he had a good year..not great or exceptional and did alot of thing well and alot of issues still as he learns what he can and can't do..provided his demands are reasonable then work out a mutually beneficial deal.. we have the cap. But I think we'll probably pull another 2-3 WR in draft/UDFA as well. Who knows, maybe even JG comes back. But we owe it to our offense to stablize the QB position..we've seen what a good QB can do for receivers. So if TP had played with a brady or ryan or rodgers, who knows he might have had 1300 yards and 9TD

It's funny how people are comparing him to TEs and WRs... that have been playing that position most of their lives. Upside is a factor one cannot neglect when bashing TP or saying he's an average at best WR.

jmo

I don't see a team offering some crazy stupid contract, because if that's the Browns' perception of the contract, they aren't matching it and that team is stuck with making a stupid decision.

This is precisely why I think the transition tag is great in this particular instance. No team is going to risk making some outrageous contract that, in the end, may be responsible for. More likely, the market will generate a legitimate price tag for his services, one in which the Browns would most likely match because their abundant cap space.

If the Browns were in a situation were cap space was limited, I wouldn't see the transition tag as a logical option. They could easily be outbid. Today, not so much.

Don't let another team negotiate for you. Didn't we learn our lesson with Mack?

Or they could be happy for a teammate that worked hard and is now making a lot of money.

Or they can understand that Pryor has only played one year and the team doesn't want to commit to him long term until he proves himself (again).

Or they will understand that the NFL is a business and worry about taking care of their own selves.

Receiver TDs are not a good indicator of how well a player performed. They tell us almost nothing.

j/c

I think they should make him a good offer and give him until the FA signing period starts to sign it.

Then when he comes back the last day before the FA signing period starts, pull the offer. At least they have experience doing that.

so, knight, for $5-6 million you would let Pryor walk and have to expend another first round pick on a receiver. a pick we really need to use to build a defense. sorry, but we do not get better by letting talent walk.

The lesson from the Mack tag is that he should have been extended the year before.

Well yeah, but because of that failure he signed a contract with the Jaguars that ended up screwing us in the end.

When you have a probowler like mac you should just pay the darn money. that is what they should have learned. You can't nickel and dime probowl level talent in the prime of their career.

That was one of most bizarre posts I have ever read.

At some point I stopped assuming he wasn't trolling and realized he might actually believe what he's saying.

I then became very concerned.

If another franchise wants to screw us, and they sign him to a crazy contract, the one thing that isn't being mentioned is we get the tender. Am I wrong? We would probably put a second round tender on him.

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