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Jimmy G. has played at a very high level every where he has played including the NFL. Nothing in the college level is elite IMHO. To me its just boys playing boys. No matter what college they go to they have a tough adjustment to make once they hit the NFL.

So it's my opinion that you should throw out most of the stats and watch the film. Erase the final scores from every game. Now nitpick every motion, every intent, and every technique. When it's a bad play whose fault is it from what you can gauge? Level of competition is not going to change quality of technique. They either have it or they don't. They either fold under pressure or they don't.

Jimmy G. Has great technique. Jimmy does not fold under pressure. It's obvious he is very good at reading defenses because he just shreds them. He has a good arm but I think some mistake him removing velicity on purpose to make the ball more catchable as having a weak arm. He can throw a 60 yard pass on a rope with the best of them. He has fantastic character and is a natural leader that all his teammates love to play for.

He is definately worth a first round pick BECAUSE he is a first round caliber player. He only fell to the second round because of idiot Haslem and because some worry too much about his school being smaller.

Franchising, and paying the salary that goes along with franchising, Garoppolo is not really an option.

No but holding on to him through the final year of his contract is. As far as the Browns this off-season is concerned makes no difference what they do after that year.

This was included in my post:

"If he left in FA next year, I think NE would probably get a 3rd round compensatory pick? So you get 'something'? (correct me if that isn't right.)."

Some of you guys amaze me, I mean you jump all over someone for wanting to trade down from #1 or pick an unproven QB with the 1st pick yet you want to use the same pick for another unproven QB just because he sat behind Tom Brady?

That's an interesting point. I'm not sure the round the pick would be in but they would get something. I completely overlooked that angle. Maybe assuming a one round downgrade on what they could get now is worth it if Brady gets injured or has that moment of diminishing physical skills. I think that's worth considering to a certain degree.

Still, I think NE has always hit the "refresh" button on Brady's heir apparent over the years. It was Garappolo a few years back; Brissett last year. Maybe Mallet was even in consideration. If JG is traded to the Browns, there are a couple early second-round QBs they could consider if the Browns ended up handing over #33.

Literally none of that reflects anything anyone has said.

Somehow, Memphis didn't get "frustrated" by that assumption. LOL

YTown, I noticed you challenged That Guy's post. Does that mean you agree w/Pastor that because NE didn't use a first round pick on Jimmy G, then he isn't worth a first round pick now?

LOL man........seriously. Which claim is more absurd?

And why would I get frustrated?

That's what we thought the last time you got frustrated.

Cool, man. Whatever makes you feel better. Just next time you make a comment like that, add some substance.

Really i must be reading a different Message Board ... lol

Please, if I'm wrong, point on who said to trade the #1 pick for Jimmy?

Like, specifically said to do that.

Because the general consensus is literally not that.

And if you HONESTLY think the only reason people want Jimmy as our QB is because he "sat behind Tom Brady" then don't even bother replying because there's no point in discussing anything with you.

+1, no one has stated Bill is dumb, folks have different opinions on what they'd give up for Garoppolo today, where he was drafted,etc means nada, what's his value today, ASSUMING he is available JMHO, I'd give number 12 up....MAYBE even number one, depends on what Hue/ the FO think and want, I trust them, but for me he's shown he can do it...WIN- I also respect McCown's opinion....hope we sign him if he's available....GO Browns!!!

You wanna sign the guy we just cut?

Why?

It would be unconventional, but Belichick does all kinds of unconventional things. He has a Super Bowl team, with a ton of cap space, and a 40 year old Hall of Fame QB. He keeps Garappolo this year, which would make sense, There is no reason to give up a quality QB, even for a higher pick, if your Hall of Famer gets hurt, and you go 8-8 as a result of that decision. The odds are against Brady playing 2 more years. Yeah, I know that he is quite possibly the greatest of all time, but the end can come quickly at that age in the NFL.

The Pats are an excellent team, with quality players across the board, and I have read that they have a ridiculous amount of cap space. Some of that will be used to re-sign some of their players, but some of their better old players will be let go. The Pats have managed their cap extremely well, and if they wanted to make sure that have a couple more Super Bowl runs., they can do so. Having the QB, and a quality backup to your 40 year old QB, is important.

Do you really think that Belichick would be all that concerned about overpaying a high quality piece, who just might be necessary? It would be unconventional to franchise the backup, but Belichick has never really been conventional. I a not saying that he will do it ... but it wouldn't surprise me if he does.

I don't think Belichick wants to overpay anyone ever.

Paying a backup two times more than Brady makes is not unconventional, it is absurd.

About as absurd as giving up a 1st round pick for a second round QB with very little game experience.

And only one year left on his contract.

Of all the people who have stated reasons for trading for Jimmy, not one has said they want him because he plays behind Brady. And no one has suggested the number 1 pick.

You don't want Jimmy. Fine. But don't twist what others say.

You once said a high third was too much for Jimmy because he is unproven. Ok, your opinion. But then you have said the #12 pick would be good for Trubisky. Trubisky is basically unproven in college, let alone the NFL. You're not the only one making contradictory points like that, but don't make up what others say.

And as absurd as using a first round pick on any QB in this draft.

You're ================ above your gmstrong thing stretches my screen, cap. I've always meant to tell you that. It makes it hard to read on an iPhone. Could ya dump it if you don't mind?

J/C

Something tells me if we do end up with Garoppolo, that some people on here will hope he does poorly just so they can say, "I told you so." For that matter, I'll bet it happens if we draft a QB at 12 also. Sad, but I think it's true.

uh-oh

LOL...........I wonder if that post will "frustrate" anyone?

Wow, really? And you don't see it?

It's gone, lamp. No idea it was causing problems.

Thanks, man! I hoped I didn't sound like a D when I made that request.

No, dawg, not at all. You asked nice, you had a good reason.

I wasn't attached to it, just wanted a separation for the sig. But the board does that automatically anyway, with a little line. So it's all good.

Still not feeling better about yourself yet? It's ok....keep trying little buddy. You'll get there sooner or later.

I would love to hear the logic behind people that wouldn't give a 2nd rounder for Jimmy, but would take Watson or Trubisky (or god forbid Kizer) #1 or even at 12..

There's plenty of angles.

but if you're a fan of Jimmy g then it doesn't matter what logic is presented to you, you're just gonna find some way to dismiss. The same is true vise Versa.

But regardless, and people can dismiss my reason all they want, but backup QB's, as a whole, going to other teams and starting just doesn't have a good track record. Actually, the numbers are really bad.

And it's even worse when focusing in on patriot backups. They are are 0-3 in long term franchise QB's. And I want no part in being the team that makes it 0-4.

That's my biggest reason and I'm sticking to it. If he comes here, then I'll root for him because he's a browns player. But my optimism will be low, because I don't expect him to be any good.

And he got injured his 2nd ever NFL start. We already have a bunch of busted breakable QB's on the roster. Why add another one?

I am not one of those people (I wouldn't trade a first for Garoppolo or draft one of the QBs you mentioned), but I would guess that one of the main reasons is the contracts. With the rookie QBs you get incredible value (if they are good) because you aren't paying much for a starting quarterback. Garoppolo would have to be paid after only one season (if he is good). Because of this you have more time to self scout and develop the QB without the worry of having to pay him a huge contract soon. Theoretically Garoppolo could have one good season, get paid, and then suck. That would be the worst case scenario.

Like I said before, I wouldn't want to use a first round pick on any of the "available" QBs. But if everyone was just a free agent I would take Garoppolo over everyone. The draft pick compensation is very risky.

Sorry, don't mean to cherry pick your post, but given their record, using the draft pick is every bit as risky as trading it. And maybe more so. Our record of blowing early picks is beyond epic, bordering on "biblical".

EDIT: Acknowledging, of course, that the current regime wasn't responsible for some recent draft fails.

"And it's even worse when focusing in on patriot backups. They are 0-3 in long term franchise QB's. And I want no part in being the team that makes it 0-4."

For some reason .. many people here are forgetting that we had Hoyer, a former NE backup. I keep reading JG is not Cassel.. JG is not Mallet.. Is he Brian Hoyer.. What is Cleveland's experience with NE backups. I am not anti Garopolo, I'm fine with a second or third round pick for him, as I am happy with a second or third round pick for Trubisky, Kizer or Watson.

Have you watched both Brian Hoyer and Jimmy Garrapolo play in the NFL?

No, they are not the same thing.