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If this is the case, then shouldn't we trade every draft pick.

Will you please tell me what round Jimmy G was drafted in?

How about Hoyer?

Cassell?

Mallett? Oh, was it ever rumored that Jimmy G had a drug problem like Mallett did?

These comparisons are so absurd. Jimmy G sucks because he played for NE and other backup qbs have sucked there.

I'm not saying that Jimmy G sucks. I would much rather spend the 2 first round picks on Garrett and [censored] Tabor ( Tabor is projected to be there at pick 12 ), than spending a first round pick on a trade for a QB with a short contract. I have no problem with trading #33, #53 or both for him. Give them any number of picks from #33 down, just don't lose the opportunity to get some playmakers to fill the holes. The Browns have a lot of picks that can be used to keep Belichek happy without losing out on projected Day 1 picks.

That's fine and I am not of the mindset that people should advocate trading for Jimmy G.

I just don't like the comparisons to the other NE qbs. It's not a good argument. Btw--------did you look up and see where those guys were drafted or if they even were?

You did compare him to all those past Pats backups selected in later rounds...... (or Mallett who had all sorts of issues).

Cassel was a 7th round pick and Hoyer was an UDFA. BIG difference than what the Pats invested in Garrappollo. And Mallet was a boom or bust pick for them with all his character flaws.


If you didn't want to invest the 12 for Garapolo, that's fine. [censored] Tabor looks pretty good to me too. He'd be a fine addition to go along with Joe Haden. But comparing Jimmy to those guys (like you did before) is just not really fair.

My comment, Vers was based on so many that criticize JG always mentioning Cassell and Mallett. If you look back through the thread(s), Hoyer's name is seldom.. if ever mentioned. Why, because he played for the Browns, because he started and looked good in Chicago before injury this past year? I was trying to include Hoyer's name to the discussion. chuckles.. remember.. Brady was a low round pick.. and Romo was undrafted ...

Hoyer is best QB the Browns have had since Couch lol.

Heyyyy... I still wear my Anderson Jersey... lmao

You wouldn't see me mad if he came back.

I'm pretty sure compensation picks are based off the new contract signed.

I think it's based on a combination of things....salary being one of them but I believe it's also starting or overall playing time and generally how good they are identified by getting certain awards/recognitions.

It's based off the contract they receive from the new team.

There's some super secret formula for it.

A lot of teams let their players walk and don't sign replacements because that contract you bring in can lower the value of the comp pick you'd get.

I found this:

Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.

The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four. The 32 compensatory choices announced today will supplement the 224 choices in the seven rounds of the 2014 NFL Draft (May 8-10).

Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.

I know virtually nothing in detail about AJ, but Hue Jackson should.

Good grief, what rubbish.

Just for sake of discussion and because I readily admit to knowing nothing about AJ, why is this rubbish?

On this board there are those who say that Jimmy is not worth a 2nd round pick because he was a 2nd round pick and has done nothing to show he is worth that, or more.

If Jimmy has not shown enough, then AJ certainly hasn't either. AJ was a 5th round pick, so I imagine his worth in a trade is capped at a 6th round pick?

Please No! McCarron isn't even as good as Kessler. The guy is a game manager at best. In his 4 career starts he has thrown for 192yds, 200yds, 160yds, and 212yds, his yards per attempts average in those 4 games were 9.14 against San Fran, 5.71 against Denver, 5.93 against Baltimore, and in the playoffs against Pitt. he had a 5.17 and I believe the league average is over 7.00. And yet he put up those pedestrian numbers with one of the best offenses in the league.

I would rather pay Tyrod Taylor 30 million than trade for AJ McCaron.

The only thing more blah than that would be getting Mike Glennon.

AJ is a fair to decent back up. He will never be anything more. Jimmy G. will be a franchise QB that a team can build around. I really hope it's us.

One is of starting material the other doesn't have a hope to be.

Just because some talking head says that some ANONYMOUS scout says so, doesn't mean it is so.

if you lose a FA and he signs a 5 year 50 million dollar deal, you get a comp pick.

If you, in the same FA period, sign a FA to a 5 year 50 million dollar deal.

You don't get a comp pick.

Casserly has us trading our 12th pick to NE and NE makes pick #32 in his Mock Draft on NFL Network ... I guess he thinks we will trade #12 for Garoppolo ... I sure hope he is wrong because IMO that is getting fleeced by Bill and the Pats!

Yet the 2 players, AJ and JG's nfl production is quite similar.

It seems like you dismiss these scouts because they have a different opinion of JG then the previous scouts who you agree with have said.

Why is one set of scouts opinions dismissed as lol 'rubbish'? Lol.

Not everyone is a stat boy. Some people actually evaluate skill sets.

Hope that answers your question.

Mary Kay Cabot is at it again. Thinks we might trade for Jimbo G-Rap AND draft a QB at no . 1

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...bileshort_index

Lots of people think lots of stuff.

MKK is fixated on QBs. Every year she lobbies hard for whichever QB most fascinates her. And she always advocates using the Browns first pick to get him.

She's terrible.

Because I have seen them both play and did not come to my conclusion, based on what the scouts say.

I rely on my own evaluations when it comes to QBs and Offensive line. I seldom care what some news head trying to ratchet up ratings has to say either way.

I have laid out very clearly how I evaluate and what I look for enough times that I don't feel the need to repeat myself anymore.

I don't think you're stupid enough to believe AJ is anywhere close to the QB that Jimmy G. is. No one else does either that actually pays attentions to QB play.

You probably thought aaron rodgers and steve young were useless too on the argument you just made...otherwise I have to believe your just trolling to aggravate people who like Jimmy G. which is old already so please stop.

So....when scouts/execs like JG good. When scouts/execs like AJ rubbish. Lol, okay.

No one was asking or talking about your evaluations. No one was asking you to repeat your evaluation process.


Classy. I guess those execs Jeremiah refer to are stupid also because their opinion on JG is different then yours? C'mon dude you're better then to post like this aren't you? Lol, or should I say I don't think you are stupid enough to continue to post like this?

I posted an article which is related to the thread topic and poses a different view. It shouldn't elicit such a hostile reaction lol.

A thought has been bouncing around in my head the last few days. I'm sure I'm not the only one to think it too.

What if Billy B really covets Garrett and he floated the rumor that Jimmy G is available specifically for that reason?

This post is funny coming from someone who is always talking about evaluating skillset but seldom if ever actually participates in a discussion/breakdown of actual prospects skillset on tape.

I may be a lot of things but even people that disagree with me can acknowledge that I evaluate...in detail..the skillset of the prospects I discuss.

On one video she said that we should sign Tyrod Taylor, and then draft Tribusky #1. Maybe we could also trade for Garoppolo too.