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I am glad we invested in some veteran offensive linemen.

wow. that's amazing.

Sending less people, but getting more pressure?

Interesting.

My $.02 on why that might be...

1. Defensive linemen are getting bigger, stronger, faster at a rate that OL can't keep up with... Can't say this for sure, but I bet if you look at DL 40 times and cone drills over the last 20 years, they have improved far more than OL have on average.
2. DCs have become much more savvy in disguising pressures.
3. OLs don't stay together as a unit long enough to really master the synergy it takes to play the position as a unit.

The result of all of this is going to be more short passing, more one reads, etc... not many QBs are going to be willing to stand in and take the pounding Big Ben takes to throw the ball downfield the way he does.

I think the general decline in QB's itself has helped cause this. Lots of bad QB's that scramble as a first instinct, can't read a defense, hold the ball forever, etc....

I agree. Good QBs read blocks just as backs have to read blocks. If one of your tackles has inside position, you have to help him out and not roll outside, unless of course your center and guards have allowed a bumrush up the middle.

o-line are not coached as well these days either and it's much harder to build up an O-line than a D-line. We are really hurting on LT and RT depth. To the point if Joe gets hurt we are screwed big time.

I'm hoping we draft a C in the later rounds (ie Toth - Kentucky/ Fuller -
Baylor) and the same for the tackle spot (ie Holden - Vanderbilt). Let them both play backup, and if a injury happens, they should be serviceable.

Just go ahead and cut Erving. Dude is trash.

We also have that Rieter kid who played very well until he got injured. He should be ready to go this year.

j/c

I posted this on 2/20/27:

"Some folks think we will find a starting C in Rd 4 who hasn't played yet in the NFL.

They knew who Reiter was before they stole him from WAS...they had him for a few weeks before he played. Then he played well and received praise from Joe Thomas. I bet they think they know what they have in him. They know more about him than any soon to be draftee.

Fabiano was on and off the roster/PS throughout the year and then back on the roster for several weeks before starting the last game. The coaches thought enough of him to give him his first start against the Steelers. I bet they have a good idea what they have in him. They know more about him than any soon to be draftee.

Greco filled-in well at C.

How many C's do we need? Do you take a C early in Rd 4 or another DB/S/TE/RB? I just think that that mid-Rd C that some people want to draft is already here in Reiter and Fabiano.

I don't think a 3rd-4th Rd center beats out those three guys - a rook RT would have to be picked by Rd 3 or so it would seem to beat out the guys we have there. If we upgrade the position(s), I think it would have to be through FA."

Since then we added two Cs and a RG. If we draft a C, I'll be shocked.

I said "invested" not "solve." Our offensive line should be better. Also, don't forget that we now have Greco as a backup for the interior linemen positions. I believe Shon Coleman will be the starting right tackle next year and Erving will be on a different team.

I think he explained himself pretty well.

I don't want to take an OL very early though. It's not a good draft for it. Emphasize DB, DL, RB

I believe that is why we hit OL quick and hard in free agency, so we do not have to rely on the draft for a fix. This is not a good draft for OL. IMO, a good decision by the FO.

I wouldn't be surprised if we take Julien Davenport with our 3rd round pick.

j/c

Everyone has projections about the RT position, but so far no answer for it.

I'd like to sign Paztor again, but doubt it will happen because of numbers. They love Grecos versatility and I think they want to give Irving every shot cause he's athletic and perhaps a nice guy who fits in. They want to leave one slot on a nine man o-line open for a surprise late draft pick, great value pick, or udfa

Well we will have plenty of time to see if they draft anyone at the RT position in the draft and if he will deserve that roster spot before cut downs.

EO...the first time you said... "I don't think Mac is a liar"..., I let it pass...now I see what you are doing and what and who you really are...then you say..."A good example that you are not a liar"...
you are attempting to call me a liar, without saying, you are a liar.


Now I'm suggesting something else about you...smh

Do you think Erving can handle this? I thought he was atrocious much of last season. His beats were horrible IMO. And he will be better at T? Might be better to trade him if possible.

I'm surprised everyone is sleeping so much on coleman with how many serious comments joe has made about him. He thinks he's going to take over for him when he retires. That's all I need to be comfortable with him as our rt.

I think Erving will be better at RT, but I couldn't begin to define exactly what 'better' is. I don't know a lot about the nuances of OL play, but it seemed to me that Erving struggled to adapt as the play went on. In a panic to do 'something' he seemed to lock on to players and wasn't very effective passing off DLineman, recognizing blitzers, and occasionally falling flat as he tried to block downfield.

He may be a guy who excels the more narrowly you define his responsibilities.

You Wascally Wabbit!

Agree, he HAD to multitask a lot more at center than he will at RT. I don't know IF he'll be the starter, but telling him he's a Tackle and nothing else can't hurt. I liked his hustle and seems to be a good teammate-he gets a chance....GO Browns!!!